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#31    F3SS

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:55 PM

View Postsam12six, on 04 April 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:



That was pretty much the point. What sense does it make that something is a criminal offense if you're caught in the act but a civil offense if you're caught after the fact?
So you can't call the criminals! Don't you know the rules of political correctness gone wrong yet?

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 04 April 2013 - 10:55 PM.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:24 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 04 April 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

So you can't call the criminals! Don't you know the rules of political correctness gone wrong yet?

Apparently it's rude to identify a criminal as a criminal.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:10 PM

View PostEonwe, on 05 April 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Apparently it's rude to identify a criminal as a criminal.

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or in this specific case:

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:47 PM

View Postaztek, on 04 April 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

you can call a civil offence those that came in legaly and still here with expired visa, that i could somehow understand, but border jumpers are CRIMINALS. in pretty much every country.

Only if you catch them in the act - an increasingly rare occurrence since our border is secure.

Otherwise they are an "alien" 1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.  And subject to the civil Naturalization courts.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:57 PM

View Postninjadude, on 05 April 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

Only if you catch them in the act - an increasingly rare occurrence since our border is secure.

Otherwise they are an "alien" 1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.  And subject to the civil Naturalization courts.

And again, that makes not a lick of sense.

Get caught robbing a bank and you're a thief. Get caught afterward and you're an unauthorized possessor of funds.

Get caught raping someone and you're a rapist. Get caught afterward and you're involved in a nonconsentual relationship.

Get caught killing someone...

Once again, you seen the point? It makes absolutely no sense that if you commit a crime the penalty is less if they get you later instead of stopping you in the act. An act is either criminal or not.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:56 AM

View Postsam12six, on 05 April 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:



And again, that makes not a lick of sense.

Get caught robbing a bank and you're a thief. Get caught afterward and you're an unauthorized possessor of funds.

Get caught raping someone and you're a rapist. Get caught afterward and you're involved in a nonconsentual relationship.

Get caught killing someone...

Once again, you seen the point? It makes absolutely no sense that if you commit a crime the penalty is less if they get you later instead of stopping you in the act. An act is either criminal or not.
Don't you know that you can only believe and recite official government definitions and facts? C'mon Sam.
Couldn't rarely being caught in the act be indicative of an unsecured border? Me thinks yes.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:36 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 06 April 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Don't you know that you can only believe and recite official government definitions and facts? C'mon Sam.
Couldn't rarely being caught in the act be indicative of an unsecured border? Me thinks yes.

That's one of the things that's annoying about political debates. You can look at any statistic and use it to fit your preference.

Not that many people being caught in the act? This either implies that not many are trying or that there's not enough enforcement available. I personally don't really care which it is. I do care that those who are later found to have done the deed aren't being hit with the penalty for the deed. As I said before, I don't know if Ninja was right and the crime becomes a civil issue 5 minutes after you cross the border, but if it is true, it's BS.

There's a big difference between what the civil violation is for (someone failing to extend a visa, for example) and what the criminal violation is for (someone simply invading another country). If the latter reverts to the former just because nobody saw you do it, we've got worse problems than I thought.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:21 AM

The press should call them "undocumented Democrat voters". That is more matter-of-fact than the other terms.

Edited by Zaphod222, 06 April 2013 - 02:22 AM.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:36 AM

Illegal immigrants can vote in the US? How does that work?


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:45 AM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 06 April 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Illegal immigrants can vote in the US? How does that work?

If dead people and Micky Mouse can, surely the undocumented can too. Remember, any time anybody dares to bring up the topic of ID checks, the democrat politicians scream about "voter suppression".

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:04 AM

Sorry, I still can't follow you. I assume your voting system is a lot, if not completely, different than it is here in Germany. And I am not that much into US politics, so sadly I don't remember.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:32 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 06 April 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

The press should call them "undocumented Democrat voters". That is more matter-of-fact than the other terms.

View PostZaphod222, on 06 April 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

If dead people and Micky Mouse can, surely the undocumented can too. Remember, any time anybody dares to bring up the topic of ID checks, the democrat politicians scream about "voter suppression".

Sadly, this is VERY true.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:34 PM

But how can people who are not registered citizens participate in an election?


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:34 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 06 April 2013 - 12:34 PM, said:

But how can people who are not registered citizens participate in an election?

All you need to vote is a utility bill, with what you say your name is, at the address where you say you live. No other ID has been required. That is why a lot of us are for the new voter ID laws and Democrats are not.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 02:09 PM

New voter ID laws seem sensible. That sounds like an open invitation for voter fraud.





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