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Aquarius Chik

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Well hello everyone. I'm new here and I must say that I'm really enjoying being a part of some really great and interesting discussions! I'm quite a conspiracy theory junkie, so this will probably be my main hangout.

Anyway, I was having a discussion on another topic in this section and a member posted a statement and a poll showing that the people of America trust the military more than they do the government. That's understandable. The problem is that the government also runs the military.

So I was thinking about a few things. First, I don't believe that our military would fire on its own citizens. However, I DO find it disturbing that our military was training Chinese and Russian troops out in California. Why? For what purpose? If someone could give me a legit excuse as to why that was going on I would appreciate it. It may even help me sleep better at night. So thanks in advance.

Secondly, there have been accounts of MKUltra Delta programming going on. That would be the "soldier/assasin/kill" programming. This is supposedly what our Delta Force really is. I know that there may be a few of you who don't necissarily put any faith into Jesse Ventura (especially after the suing incident) but wouldn't it be possible for a Manchurian Candidate to be created? I personally believe that MKUltra was never shut down. Why would they shut it down? They seemed to be making progress. The human mind is a fragile thing. I'm almost positive that creating brainwashed slaves is possible. I'd say about 99.9% sure, anyway.

Well awhile ago there was some talk (by a representative of the democrat party- and no, I don't remember who. I just remember that he was a dem and that what he was suggesting disturbed me) about making every citizen in the United States between the ages of 18 and 25 do some type of military service. Ok, sounds like a good idea to some people (I'm not one of them). BUT, if they ever instated that law, given ALL the social information and the so-called "fact/fiction, reality/non-reality" tests and such that they give to students in school today- couldn't they take the ones most likely to be programmable (fitting the stereotype of imaginitive, easily hypnotized etc) from all 50 states- "program" them and plant them back into society, whereby activating them at certain times or even all together to create havoc in every major city in the United States?

If that happened they could bring over the foreign troops that were trained here because they don't care about firing on Americans. In fact, they would probably love to. So, would a military state complete with Marshall Law really work here? I think not.

Most people are willing to be civil about solving problems and are non-violent. If the government was somehow trying to create enough havoc in society to actually re-instate Marshall law and turn our country into a military state- don't you think it would be possible for them to do this? Should we overly trust the milirary even though the government runs it? I'm not sure that we can. Soldiers take orders. IF there was any truth to this scenerio, the military would also have to use their Manchurian Candidates as well- to fire on their own people if necessary. The foreign troops are just an idea of how else they could ever get a military force to do such a thing.

I know this is kind of far out and honestly I don't like thinking about our own government doing such things- but the people who pull the strings at the very top want power and control. With enough wealth to buy and sell whole countries (some of them), it's a scary thought. The NWO is already in progress. We are the last "free" nation that stands in the way- and we all know what happens when you take a "free" people and try to enslave them. It doesn't work out too well for the ones who refuse to be enslaved.

So what do you guys think? All I do is connect the dots. I wonder about some pretty far-fetched things (like this), but for some reason this "conspiracy theory" doesn't seem too "out" there if you think about it. We are a strong people. It would take a very deceptive, precise plan to take our country down. The government doesn't want us to take up arms against them. There are too many of us. Why not plant a sneak-attack in order to put the clamp down. We lose more rights that way and are easier to control.

Please be respectful in the comment section. If you think this is a silly idea, feel free to say so. Just keep in mind that we're all supposed to be free-thinkers here. Thank you.

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Some things are better sourced from Libraries than Online resources ~ well before the 'Secrets' and safety issues regarding the Public's need to know ~

Archive.org =MKultra"]link

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Sorry to say but this is a full blown conspiracy theory, not a "conspiracy theory". You have to remember that our military is made up of citizens of this country, and that the vast majority of them would not do anything to harm their own country.

As far as "MK Ultra" programming going on, this type of thing takes a LONG time to implement with each subject, and would not be a valid way of creating more than just a handful of subjects, so that one can be put to rest. I can assure you that Delta Force are not subjects of this by the way.... I don't even want to know where you heard that.

As for the government "training" Chinese and Russian troops, my opinion is that what is the best way to get a true insight into another Army? I would want to see them up close in a high stress situation to help gauge their discipline/decision making skills to get an idea of how well they are being trained.

I just remember that he was a dem and that what he was suggesting disturbed me) about making every citizen in the United States between the ages of 18 and 25 do some type of military service

We really like sources on this site for future reference. Most of us try to see if the theory has any basis in reality before we even start giving it any seriousness.

Ask yourself this question.

If the government really wanted to start eliminating it's citizens what would be easier, this or just turning off the grid and water supply? Or releasing a Virus, or a number of other more manageable things with far less risk and variables.

This kind of thing is poison to the brain, you should try watching some kitten videos for a while and lay off the conspiracies for a while in my opinion.\

However if you would like to further argue this please bring some sources and I can take the gloves off.

Welcome to UM :gun:

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However if you would like to further argue this please bring some sources and I can take the gloves off.

Welcome to UM :gun:

Ok Use Your Brain. I respect that, and I prefer the gloves off, btw.

A lot of this stuff I have read, researched or watched over time and I don't always keep tabs of the sources. However, I will start doing that from now on.

I won't, however- quit being a critical thinker and throwing ideas out there. You never know what's going on behind closed doors.

As far as a virus or taking the grid out- I do agree that it would be an effective way to take us out.

So for now, maybe I'll do some research on this topic and post it. It may make me sound a little less loony.

As far as MK Ultra, it may take a little time to make slaves, but they could also wire them and use chips to help speed the process along. We have amazing technological insights. They may not even need to go through the old motions anymore, and our personal technology is about 20 years behind the kind of technology the government has.

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As far as MK Ultra, it may take a little time to make slaves, but they could also wire them and use chips to help speed the process along. We have amazing technological insights. They may not even need to go through the old motions anymore, and our personal technology is about 20 years behind the kind of technology the government has.

They could have nanobots in the drinking water and just shut everyone down when they are ready, there could be invisible aliens floating around with ray guns ready to kill everyone, there could be a giant invisible planet about to crash into earth which is why they are interested in Mars because the evil leaders need somewhere to live.

I love the what if game, but it doesn't make any of it true or add anything to an argument without things to back up your claims does it?

I liked everything else you said in your post, and I love that you are trying to rely critical thinking, but I don't think this is the best subject to try and take on.

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Archive.org link

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Thanks for the link :tu:

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http://www.unitedlib...ervice-proposal

Ok, here's the bill proposal

Here is the link that they have on that site. https://www.whitehou...issues/service/

Yep Mk Ultra was a real thing it seems.

"The Jesuits had gained much information over the years on the effects of trauma on the human mind"

That was literally the first sentence.

This was where I stopped.

"The Monarch Mind Control programming is simply the sophisticated application of what has been done to humanity on a large scale being scaled down and applied to a single human body. The Illuminati Formula 10. Spiritual Control Techniques, Possession, Trances, Etc. A. Using spiritual principles against a person"

"The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave"

Not even going to read that.

http://northerntruth...real-truth.html

Baltimore, riots and Martial Law

"I have been watching all the Jew spew news reports over the last few days about the riots taking place in the city of Baltimore"

Do I even need to try and show how bad these sources are? I think they speak for themselves.

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We are the last "free" nation that stands in the way- and we all know what happens when you take a "free" people and try to enslave them

Your country is the last "free" people? lololllllllo

still a good reading and some good questions, AND WELCOME

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They could have nanobots in the drinking water and just shut everyone down when they are ready, there could be invisible aliens floating around with ray guns ready to kill everyone, there could be a giant invisible planet about to crash into earth which is why they are interested in Mars because the evil leaders need somewhere to live.

I love the what if game, but it doesn't make any of it true or add anything to an argument without things to back up your claims does it?

I liked everything else you said in your post, and I love that you are trying to rely critical thinking, but I don't think this is the best subject to try and take on.

You're right. There COULD be aliens flying around (I've seen UFO's), or nanobots in the water (which is why I drink bottled water, although there are no bottled water regulations that I'm aware of...) or any number of things going on that we don't know about. The problem (as I'm sure most of the surfers of this site know) is that "incriminating" evidence is hard to find. You find a piece here and there, but the government hides way too much from us.

I do hope, however- that these other posts of mine have made me look less like some regular quack out there and more like the intelligent, logical, critical thinker that I am.

My intention is not to freak people out or cause panic or anything like that. The fact of the matter is there's a lot we don't know about a lot of things. I want to inspire people to think and pay attention. I want to connect the dots where others might fail. Even though you may be right about this topic, I still think it's interesting. You must have too or you probably wouldn't have read it or commented on it.

Thank you for welcoming me to UM. I like this site and the people here seem to be rational, intelligent beings. I think I may stay for awhile :yes:

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Do I even need to try and show how bad these sources are? I think they speak for themselves.

Ok, I'll admit that I didn't like the "Jew spew" reference either, but that doesn't mean that the other information doesn't have any relevance.

I skimmed the articles, and I will admit that none of them are where I got the original information. BUT, I have a question: What's wrong with an article that talks about the Illuminati? Do they not exist? Their symbol is on the back of the dollar bill, isn't it? I don't see how people can still claim they DON'T exist.

My reply to you concerning this is I think you're too close-minded. There's a difference between being a skeptic and then completely shrugging off a topic or subject that you just refuse to believe in. That's not logical at all. You have to read through much information and watch documentaries, read books and everything else before you decide that something is just non-existant. Just because we're told the Illuminati doesn't exist, doesn't mean that they don't exist.

I rather thought you might have found at least a couple of those articles interesting. I'm sorry that you didn't.

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Your country is the last "free" people? lololllllllo

Name ONE country besides the United States that isn't socialist, communist, or run by a dictator. And please post a link to their government site so that I can check it out.

THANKS

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Name ONE country besides the United States that isn't socialist, communist, or run by a dictator. And please post a link to their government site so that I can check it out.

THANKS

:You should visit Vietnam. It is not socialist or communist (mixed economy) and has a standard parliamentary regime, although the party rather than the public makes the decisions on who holds what office. This is not a democracy but it is not a dictatorship either. How a country describes itself doesn't tell you much about what it really is.
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Ok, I'll admit that I didn't like the "Jew spew" reference either, but that doesn't mean that the other information doesn't have any relevance.

I skimmed the articles, and I will admit that none of them are where I got the original information. BUT, I have a question: What's wrong with an article that talks about the Illuminati? Do they not exist? Their symbol is on the back of the dollar bill, isn't it? I don't see how people can still claim they DON'T exist.

My reply to you concerning this is I think you're too close-minded. There's a difference between being a skeptic and then completely shrugging off a topic or subject that you just refuse to believe in. That's not logical at all. You have to read through much information and watch documentaries, read books and everything else before you decide that something is just non-existant. Just because we're told the Illuminati doesn't exist, doesn't mean that they don't exist.

I rather thought you might have found at least a couple of those articles interesting. I'm sorry that you didn't.

Try to stick to one conspiracy theory. I love how you call me closed-minded because I don't feel like listening to anymore Illuminati nonsense,and it shows that you may be the wooooo kind of conspiracy theorist when you act like I haven't done any research or heard about that one before now.

Before you go calling me closed minded, check some posts in this thread.... notice how I use these crazy things called logic and facts to make arguments... this thread I was even defending people like you.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=282147&st=45

Here are more things from that same site, am I also closed minded if I don't believe these things?

"they have a mock-alien invasion planned to further justify more control over our lives."

VARIOUS DELTA FORCES

The military as well as other groups have created numerous delta teams, delta forces, delta groups etc. ( LOL )

DELTA ASSASSINATION TEAMS

These teams are projects that the Satanic Hierarchy and the CIA collaborated together on. The programming that was placed into people was ingenious and very complex. As the program progressed over the years, the programming became more sophisticated and past mistakes were improved upon. The Delta Teams were programmed to carry out various assignments such as political assassinations. The members of these teams are housewives and other ordinary people who were programmed years ago. The Delta Teams are part of the CIA’s psychic warfare bag of tricks. The CIA works so closely with the military that the Delta Force is easily expected to be tied in with the CIA & U.S. intelligence.\\

"Military units such as the First Earth Battalion although they are supported by American tax dollars are not here to protect America. They are global minded. They are here to protect an occult world government. They are out there actively promoting the New World Order."

I could go on.. and on :whistle:

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:You should visit Vietnam. It is not socialist or communist (mixed economy) and has a standard parliamentary regime, although the party rather than the public makes the decisions on who holds what office. This is not a democracy but it is not a dictatorship either. How a country describes itself doesn't tell you much about what it really is.

Ok, I get that maybe it's not so bad over there and that you enjoy it- which is good because you live there. However, a mixed economy/society is not a free economy/society. America is supposed to be a free capitalist economy/society. Our government is doing a heck of a job trying to turn us into a socialist state (which is not being free), and the next logical step after that is communism. We as Americans like our free capitalist country. I'm not saying that there should be no regulations at all- but I definately know for a FACT that we're the only country with a Constitution like ours that protects us from a tyrranical government.

That's what I mean when I say that we're the last free country in the world.

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Name ONE country besides the United States that isn't socialist, communist, or run by a dictator. And please post a link to their government site so that I can check it out.

THANKS

Until you posted that, I thought that I lived in a free, non-communist/socialist country, but I guess I was wrong. :innocent:

I might as well not vote in our general election on june 18.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark

http://www.eupedia.c...rk/trivia.shtml

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On the left is our dictatorial prime minister and in the middle is our dictatorial queen. The woman on the right is our neighboring dictator. :whistle:

(after june 18 we might have a new dictatorial prime minister)

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Please refer to post #50 then and try to answer my question instead of dodging saying you "aren't making claims"

Right now you seem like one of the people you are trying to make seem foolish by believing something that you want to be true while having no real evidence to back up your beliefs.

That doesn't seem much like defending "people like Me" to tell you the truth. I would like to know how, after my second day here you would refer to me as "one of those kind of people."

Like I said before, I wasn't saying that my posting was a FACT, I was merely throwing it out there because I think it's interesting. If I could gather evidence for it then I would clearly have an ulimited pass into the government underground- which I don't.

I didn't assume you had never read up on the Illuminati. I did say that you were closed minded but I think you WERE being a little close minded because you refused to even check the sites I posted out. Why? They are intersting to say the least. I think (through all the reading and researching that I've done) that the Illuminati does exist. That's my own opinion. To me there is factual evidence. If you think it's nonsense then that's your opinion. I respect it.

What I would NOT do, however- is not check YOUR sources- or anyone else's for that matter because of my "opinion" that may or may not be a an absolute fact. You don't have to agree with me or like my sources (that I gathered rather quickly- which I won't do next time) but you shouldn't be so quick to judge when it comes to ideas of what might be going on. It's called the Conspiracy Theory forum for a reason.

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Name ONE country besides the United States that isn't socialist, communist, or run by a dictator. And please post a link to their government site so that I can check it out.

THANKS

the vast majority of the EU, Australia, Japan, do you even know that socialism is different than communism, do you understand that socialism means something different in Europe. xit the socialist party in Portugal is not even socialist any more

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Until you posted that, I thought that I lived in a free, non-communist/socialist country, but I guess I was wrong. :innocent:

I might as well not vote in our general election on june 18.

You're missing the point. The United States has a Constitution that is against a tyrranical government that protects us from ever having a tyrranical government. Our Constitution is very unique among the countries of the world. That is my point.

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That doesn't seem much like defending "people like Me" to tell you the truth. I would like to know how, after my second day here you would refer to me as "one of those kind of people."

Like I said before, I wasn't saying that my posting was a FACT, I was merely throwing it out there because I think it's interesting. If I could gather evidence for it then I would clearly have an ulimited pass into the government underground- which I don't.

I didn't assume you had never read up on the Illuminati. I did say that you were closed minded but I think you WERE being a little close minded because you refused to even check the sites I posted out. Why? They are intersting to say the least. I think (through all the reading and researching that I've done) that the Illuminati does exist. That's my own opinion. To me there is factual evidence. If you think it's nonsense then that's your opinion. I respect it.

What I would NOT do, however- is not check YOUR sources- or anyone else's for that matter because of my "opinion" that may or may not be a an absolute fact. You don't have to agree with me or like my sources (that I gathered rather quickly- which I won't do next time) but you shouldn't be so quick to judge when it comes to ideas of what might be going on. It's called the Conspiracy Theory forum for a reason.

That quote that you took out of context was addressed to the OP who was the one who was saying that people like you will believe anything.

Trust me I can tell you are "one of those kind of people" If you would say that you aren't a conspiracy theorist then you are delusional.

You don't need evidence that could hold up in court, but something even semi logical would help.

Haha yea refer back to my last post about "giving the site a chance" ( my instinct was right by the way, anything that starts out with " Illuminati Mind Control Device " is littered with delusional rubbish. )

I agree this is the place to discuss A conspiracy theory, try to focus and let it be known what you are even trying to discuss.

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Once again godnodog, you are missing my point. And to answer your question- yes. I do know the difference. Do you know the difference? We are supposed to be a Capitalist society over here. We the people like it that way. Our government is trying to turn us into a socialist society. My point is that we have a Constitution that protects us FROM OUR GOVERNMENT. Do you know what that means? Probably not. You live in a "socialist" country that's not so 'social' anymore? I'm pretty sure it still is......

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Trust me I can tell you are "one of those kind of people" If you would say that you aren't a conspiracy theorist then you are delusional.

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I still beg to differ. I'm not a person who believes just anything. I am a person who considers everything. I'm also a person who likes to discuss interesting things. Thanks for the advice. I will take that into consideration also.

It's too bad this forum doesn't have an astrology section (at least not that I've noticed)- I could have guessed you were an annoying Leo- my exact opposite :P

Did you know that in astrology the sign of Aquarius is supposed to be genius, and light-years ahead of the rest? No? Well now you do!

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Ok, I get that maybe it's not so bad over there and that you enjoy it- which is good because you live there. However, a mixed economy/society is not a free economy/society. America is supposed to be a free capitalist economy/society. Our government is doing a heck of a job trying to turn us into a socialist state (which is not being free), and the next logical step after that is communism. We as Americans like our free capitalist country. I'm not saying that there should be no regulations at all- but I definately know for a FACT that we're the only country with a Constitution like ours that protects us from a tyrranical government.

That's what I mean when I say that we're the last free country in the world.

and you are confusing democracy with capitalism, sure the american people want a capitalism society, no problems with that, yoy can have a "social" democracy (note that I wrote social and socialist) and a capitalist society, take Denmark, Sweden etc, what we don't like is the abuses on the working class in name of "capitalism". Portuguese constitution also protects the people from government and opression, so much for your uniqueness, and so does much of western european constitutions, besides its a piece of paper with nice words in it. The US is not much more free than Europe, it was once, not anymore. a lot of people think, for example obamacare, is a socialist thing, it is not and is very far from it, if you were to say Obama wanted to implement a national public health system than yes, you call it a socialist. Obama is not a socialist, at lest from an european perspective.

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I forgot to say that we were never a socialist country, although several attempa were made.

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