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#151    Professor Buzzkill

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:11 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 03 January 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:





You have neither a coherent argument or any evidence to support it. Your guns do nothing to stop rape - or you are born rapists. Take your pick.

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Once again BC, you would like the evil public to have less rights. This is an american issue. Do you understand what its like to have a right to own a firearm? I dont as i am not american, but i am for keeping peoples rights.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:14 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 03 January 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Once again BC, you would like the evil public to have less rights. This is an american issue. Do you understand what its like to have a right to own a firearm? I dont as i am not american, but i am for keeping peoples rights.
The right to die. 1 in 240 Americans will die from a gun shot in their life. maybe you would like to exchange your chance of death by homicide for Americans. Some rights are more important than others. I prefer the right to personal safety over the right to carry a gun.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 03 January 2013 - 08:17 PM.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:15 PM

Duplicate.

Edited by Br Cornelius, 03 January 2013 - 08:16 PM.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 03 January 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Its per capita which means all numbers are comparable ie normalized to each other - you dumb ass.

The UK drops if you combine them all.

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they do but you still a dumb ass too.

there were 15084 rapes in england wales in 2009, 422 in Ireland, and 884 in Scotland in the same year.
with brings it to rates roughly 27, 23, 17. based on population in those areas.

edit.
p.s. oops you might be right this time, yea, they do add,

this time i am as dumb a..s as you are, for counting wrong, but you still a dumb ass for ignoring numerous facts, when fire arms prevent rapes and murders.  evidence are plenty.

Edited by aztek, 03 January 2013 - 09:16 PM.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:36 PM

so? more will die from car accidents, medical mistakes, and food poisoning. some of those shot, deserve to be shot.
show us the source, cuz numbers you post aint any more credible that you are.

you know if 1 in 240 dies from guns in USA i'd like potential rapists, and attempted murders be there instead of their victims.

Edited by aztek, 03 January 2013 - 09:18 PM.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 03 January 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

I prefer the right to personal safety over the right to carry a gun.

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lol
so do i buddy.

but neither government laws , nor most importantly, reality of this universe will give us that right, so i'll keep my right to protect at least myself, and you have every right to imagine yourself to be protected by someone else.

Edited by aztek, 03 January 2013 - 09:27 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:22 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 03 January 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

Duplicate.
Murder rates in Washington DC are insane.   Maybe the feds should eat their own cooking first and prove to everyone else that their ways are better before trapsing on the rights of others with murder rates a small fraction as bad.  I suppose even that is too much to ask a determined socialist.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:46 AM

View Postaztek, on 03 January 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

they do but you still a dumb ass too.

there were 15084 rapes in england wales in 2009, 422 in Ireland, and 884 in Scotland in the same year.
with brings it to rates roughly 27, 23, 17. based on population in those areas.

edit.
p.s. oops you might be right this time, yea, they do add,

this time i am as dumb a..s as you are, for counting wrong, but you still a dumb ass for ignoring numerous facts, when fire arms prevent rapes and murders.  evidence are plenty.
You are wrong again - the evidence points to guns having no impact on rape figures. It that simple.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:48 AM

View Postaztek, on 03 January 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

lol
so do i buddy.

but neither government laws , nor most importantly, reality of this universe will give us that right, so i'll keep my right to protect at least myself, and you have every right to imagine yourself to be protected by someone else.
The murder rates (by guns) do not lie - I am safer than you - FACT.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:49 AM

View PostYamato, on 04 January 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

Murder rates in Washington DC are insane.   Maybe the feds should eat their own cooking first and prove to everyone else that their ways are better before trapsing on the rights of others with murder rates a small fraction as bad.  I suppose even that is too much to ask a determined socialist.

Confusing issues again :sleepy:

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:31 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 04 January 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

Confusing issues again :sleepy:

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Not really.  If the federal government isn't the agent that throws our rule of law out the window in favor of Socialism, what is?    You are aware there's an Amendment process in this country where the 2nd Amendment can be repealed.   Regardless, take an honest look at murder rates in Washington DC and tell me why you trust them to administer the rest of the country too?   Maybe it's just bad luck they're having in DC, eh?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:34 AM

View PostYamato, on 04 January 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

Not really.  If the federal government isn't the agent that throws our rule of law out the window in favor of Socialism, what is? You are aware there's an Amendment process in this country where the 2nd Amendment can be repealed.   Regardless, take an honest look at murder rates in Washington DC and tell me why you trust them to administer the rest of the country too?   Maybe it's just bad luck they're having in DC, eh?

Your a "reds under the bed" man aren't you ?
Anything short of anarchy is socialism, right.

People don't take you seriously because your arguments are lacking any depth of analysis and ideologically driven, and you don't know your basic terms of reference.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 04 January 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

Your a "reds under the bed" man aren't you ?
Anything short of anarchy is socialism, right.

People don't take you seriously because your arguments are lacking any depth of analysis and ideologically driven, and you don't know your basic terms of reference.

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Name these "people".   You don't know me.  Don't insult me.  You can't find 1 post in 2,826 where I've ever advocated for anarchy.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:01 PM

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The murder rates (by guns) do not lie - I am safer than you - FACT.

Is that why gun crimes have near doubled in britain since the near ban was put in place ages ago? :whistle:


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:27 PM

View Postaztek, on 03 January 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

so? more will die from car accidents, medical mistakes, and food poisoning. some of those shot, deserve to be shot.
show us the source, cuz numbers you post aint any more credible that you are.

you know if 1 in 240 dies from guns in USA i'd like potential rapists, and attempted murders be there instead of their victims.

Just popping in to point out that your examples are flawed.

In order to drive you need a license which means that you must be tested and the government keeps track of your driving behavior.  Bad behavior (not even fatal) will get your license suspended and no more driving and possibly severe penalties (financial and jail).

Medical mistakes - same as above.  Intensive study and licensing required.  Government monitored.  Bad behavior = serious consequences.

Food poisoning - generally an individual's own fault.  Sale of most foods (stores/farms/etc.) monitored and watched.  Krogers sells contaminated cabbage?  Krogers gets sued and is responsible for the action.

Gun ownership?  Ok, background check required.  Full stop in my state.  No registering.  No testing.  No training.  No follow up.  Sales between individuals - free for all.  No tracking.  No license.  Nothing.

So according to your statement you are putting medical mistakes, food poisoning, driving and gun ownership/use on the same level.  Shouldn't they have at LEAST the same type of management as your other examples?

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