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[Sir Wearer of Hats]

laver, on 09 January 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

But THEY DO defy rational explanation! Check it out ! Yes some designs are intricate and elaborate as you say and have math and geometric messages but if you want to believe that they are just a few guys and gals having a giggle after the pub and that is your considered opinion, that is not my problem

However, the human agencies that are faking the circles are not confined to "couple of blokes larking about after the pub".
And in response to the inevitable question of "why would they go to all that trouble?" I can only but point you to the people who grafitti the sides of buildings tens of metres above the ground - they do it because they want to see if it can be done and because people think it can't be done - so they do it to prove people wrong and to have a little "in group" laugh at the plebs and "not we".

Edited by Wearer of Hats, 09 January 2013 - 08:04 AM.

[TheSearcher]

Oppono Astos, on 09 January 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

You are expressing the viewpoint of those with a closed mind.

I'd ask for proof, but he would just go off quoting the bible again or saying it was landscape geometry. I yet have to see one shred of tangible, documented, expert analysed, believable proof, that this was anything else than normal people doing it. Worst part is, I remember a time I was like him, rather gullible.

Wearer of Hats, on 09 January 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

However, the human agencies that are faking the circles are not confined to "couple of blokes larking about after the pub".
And in response to the inevitable question of "why would they go to all that trouble?" I can only but point you to the people who grafitti the sides of buildings tens of metres above the ground - they do it because they want to see if it can be done and because people think it can't be done - so they do it to prove people wrong and to have a little "in group" laugh at the plebs and "not we".

I think this has already been pointed out, however we are wrong it seems..........

[Oppono Astos]

TheSearcher, on 09 January 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

I'd ask for proof, but he would just go off quoting the bible again or saying it was landscape geometry. I yet have to see one shred of tangible, documented, expert analysed, believable proof, that this was anything else than normal people doing it. Worst part is, I remember a time I was like him, rather gullible.

Yep, been there myself in the 1980s, but as the 'research' progressed the conclusions became inevitable that there was no external agency at work.

[DingoLingo]

laver, on 08 January 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

That is why the appearance of crop designs which defy rational explanation in the way they are designed and made, and hence may be spiritual messages, is such an interesting phenomena

it only defies rational explanations for those that believe.. everyone else.. knows they were made by practical jokers and artists

[laver]

TheSearcher, on 09 January 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

I'd ask for proof, but he would just go off quoting the bible again or saying it was landscape geometry. I yet have to see one shred of tangible, documented, expert analysed, believable proof, that this was anything else than normal people doing it. Worst part is, I remember a time I was like him, rather gullible.



I think this has already been pointed out, however we are wrong it seems..........

There is plenty of evidence on the internet if you want to look at it, but if you don't you are not seeking the truth for some reason

[TheSearcher]

laver, on 09 January 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

There is plenty of evidence on the internet if you want to look at it, but if you don't you are not seeking the truth for some reason

There is plenty of assumptions on the internet, conjectures and whatnot, the truth however is something you have to find and is a quite elusive animal. In this case however there is no need to search for it. We know perfectly well who makes crop circles. We do.

Besides which, you're the one making the claims, it's up to you to provide the source, reference or proof. That's how it works.

[laver]

TheSearcher, on 09 January 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

There is plenty of assumptions on the internet, conjectures and whatnot, the truth however is something you have to find and is a quite elusive animal. In this case however there is no need to search for it. We know perfectly well who makes crop circles. We do.

Besides which, you're the one making the claims, it's up to you to provide the source, reference or proof. That's how it works.

Any evidence I refer to will be immediately suspect in your mind because you will think I only produced it to advance my argument. There is stacks of it out there at your finger tips if you are really interested? If you just want an argument and are not seeking the truth then there is not much point in discussing the matter. You will be blinded by not considering the evidence. You are also saying that the many witnesses, hundreds maybe thousands over the years, are not telling the truth purely because you don't want to look at any evidence which does not suit your side of the argument. That is not constructive in a search for the truth it is also a great waste of time of people who would like to establish what is going on and then ask the question ..why is this happening?

[chopmo]

Nuke_em, on 08 January 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

I dont think Jesus or religion had anything to do with crop circles, still UFO based phenomena.. HERE is the first recorded crop circle being made by a ET inteligence. Beyond that everything is fake. Maybe it has something to do with their propulsion technologies unfortunally i haven't witnessed any such phenomena so i cant really tell!

laver, on 08 January 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

It might be best to consider crop designs as possible spiritual messages and as such worthy of careful consideration

Quote 1. You misinterpreted what I was saying I was not trying to push the OP's idea, merely labeling it  as just another thing religion want to be the centre of attention for which pushes my care factor to -50%. (Don't open that can of worms)

Quote 2. Yes they are quite possibly a message or some significant meaning, honestly I think it's quite possible that's how the designs for monolithic structures could have been communicated if non-human beings had any part in the grand design at all. I just think it is immoral and rather selfish to say any of the gods in particular are doing this but that leads to a whole other can of worms than mentioned above.

(I'm saving my worms for when needed. I took a well needed break of Christmas to reflect on everything and will be slowing down from my guns blazing that I was doing when joined UM)

[Diablo Blanco]

AquilaChrysaetos, on 02 January 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

I wish the book of Revelation was never written or canonized. It makes people worry and waste their time deciefering nonsensual dribble

Throw the whole book in the trash, not just that chapter.

[laver]

Hazrus, on 10 January 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Throw the whole book in the trash, not just that chapter.

Would that not be rather like throwing the baby out with the bath water?
Surely we have to try and find out which bits are important ?

[Hasina]

laver, on 10 January 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

Would that not be rather like throwing the baby out with the bath water?
Surely we have to try and find out which bits are important ?

Should we do the same with all 'holy texts'? Just pick and choose what sounds nice... like the majority of the religions that use these 'holy texts', oh snap!

[TheSearcher]

laver, on 09 January 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

Any evidence I refer to will be immediately suspect in your mind because you will think I only produced it to advance my argument. There is stacks of it out there at your finger tips if you are really interested? If you just want an argument and are not seeking the truth then there is not much point in discussing the matter. You will be blinded by not considering the evidence. You are also saying that the many witnesses, hundreds maybe thousands over the years, are not telling the truth purely because you don't want to look at any evidence which does not suit your side of the argument. That is not constructive in a search for the truth it is also a great waste of time of people who would like to establish what is going on and then ask the question ..why is this happening?

Sorry not good enough as far as excuses go. Any evidence you give, will be looked at in the same way, as I would any other evidence. Of course you'll produce it to advance your argument, that's the idea of giving evidence. Lords of Kobol, I wouldn't expect anything else.

And don't assume you know or even understand what I am or am not interested in. You do not. And please do not put words in my mouth.

So how about that tangible, documented, expert analysed, believable proof and evidence, that this was anything other than normal people doing it. And to be absolutely clear, any religious text or belief, is NOT evidence. So put up or shut up time.

[laver]

TheSearcher, on 10 January 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

Sorry not good enough as far as excuses go. Any evidence you give, will be looked at in the same way, as I would any other evidence. Of course you'll produce it to advance your argument, that's the idea of giving evidence. Lords of Kobol, I wouldn't expect anything else.

And don't assume you know or even understand what I am or am not interested in. You do not. And please do not put words in my mouth.

So how about that tangible, documented, expert analysed, believable proof and evidence, that this was anything other than normal people doing it. And to be absolutely clear, any religious text or belief, is NOT evidence. So put up or shut up time.

Just an excuse for not looking at the evidence available at the press of a button. Ancient religious texts by the way are evidence but I would concur need to be very carefully considered because like recorded history they are biased in favour of the writer(s) and their agendas. I wish you bon voyage on your quest for the truth if it so be

[Peter Cox]

laver, on 10 January 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

Just an excuse for not looking at the evidence available at the press of a button. Ancient religious texts by the way are evidence but I would concur need to be very carefully considered because like recorded history they are biased in favour of the writer(s) and their agendas. I wish you bon voyage on your quest for the truth if it so be

And what Acient religious texts are you referering too? Refrence please?

Crop circles - here is evidence. PEOPLE have been CAUGHT making them. Not suspected of it BUT CAUGHT RED HANDED.

Or are we to believe that its all like the movie "Signes"?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

surely if you're  using the Bible as a basis, then you should accept the "Mowing Devil" explanation for crop circles?