Closed Chyrsler Dealers to Challenge Obama

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Very interesting news article here claiming that two lawyers have teamed up to represent some of the owners of closed Chrysler dealerships to challenge the authority, legality, and eligibility of Obama.

The article is rather long but an interesting read.

Closed Chrysler dealers to drive Obama eligibility

Seeking damages for lost businesses, will question administration's 'authority'

EXCERPT:

Two lawyers have joined forces to assemble a case challenging in U.S. bankruptcy court the federal government's use of Troubled Asset Relief Program funds to bail out Chrysler and in doing so may have created a scenario that finally will bring to a head the issue of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president.

The attorneys are Leo Donofrio, who has launched cases directly challenging Obama's eligibility, and Stephen Pidgeon, who also has worked on the issue.

Their new case questions the authority by which the federal government and administration officials intervened in the auto industry, specifically allocating some $8 billion-plus to Chrysler, which later was forgiven.

Pidgeon told WND the clients in the case are former Chrysler dealers who lost their businesses as part of the "restructuring" of the automobile company. They have been damaged with the loss of their businesses, and the case alleges the Obama administration, through its use of TARP money, influenced Chrysler's outcome.

Donofrio told WND the core issue is the disbursement of TARP funds to the auto maker that were intended to help banks and financial institutions. The previous Treasury secretary had indicated such expenditures were not appropriate, and, in fact, a congressional effort to authorize the expenditures failed, he said.

So, along with a bankruptcy court challenge, a "quo warranto" case is being filed in Washington, D.C., demanding to know by what authority administration officials set up the financial arrangements with Chrysler and handed out taxpayer money.

As part of the demand for information about the authority used, Donofrio confirmed, there will be questions about Obama's eligibility to be president. Donofrio contends that since by Obama's own admission his father never was a U.S. citizen, Obama was born a dual citizen. The framers of the Constitution, he argues, did not consider a dual citizen to be a "natural born citizen" as required for the presidency.

Full Article from WorldNetDaily

The lawyer in this case is from my state (New Jersey) and is a democrat. I have read many of his arguments on the Obama elgibility issue before and they are very good.

I hope at the very least he can help these Chrysler dealers get back their losses but I wouldn't be suprised if this guy ends up getting somewhere were others have not on the issue of Obama's elgibility.

[The Silver Thong]

I know, but I may not be 100% sure but didn't the CEO's and some executives show up in a bunch of private jets to go claim there free bail out money, so they could use it to save money LOL Then give out bonuses. That was the Bush package. Obamas is still in the works and ya I see issues bigtime.

[UltraThunderMan]

This is probably gonna end up being a huge waste of time on the car guys' parts.

[Pinx]

These men are fools. Obama's eligibility has been proven time and again. I don't understand what these "birthers" want. Will they not be happy until each and every one of them have personally examined the man's birth certificate themselves? And as far as these lawyers go, don't they have some ambulances to chase?

Edited December 9, 2009 by Pinx

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

These men are fools. Obama's eligibility has been proven time and again. I don't understand what these "birthers" want. Will they not be happy until each and every one of them have personally examined the man's birth certificate themselves? And as far as these lawyers go, don't they have some ambulances to chase?

Well maybe it would help if Obama would just make it clear and announce that he would like the state of Hawaii to release all and any of the vital records regarding his birth. Make himself clear that he has nothing to hide and officially is calling on Hawaii to release whatever it is that they have on this issue. Maybe even release his school records as well.

Complete transparency.

Why not? Release the Long Form!

Here is a video of democrat Chuck Shumer calling for anyone who wants to be President to release all of these types of documentation...

Obama should release his records.

[Kimi81]

These men are fools. Obama's eligibility has been proven time and again. I don't understand what these "birthers" want. Will they not be happy until each and every one of them have personally examined the man's birth certificate themselves? And as far as these lawyers go, don't they have some ambulances to chase?

Just look at the news source of the story, that explains everything The OP has been hoping the whole "birther movement" would amount to something, so he post these stories from this right wing nut website that exploits the stupididty and paranoia of the birthers to sell them merchandice and other crap asking for Obama's Birth Certificate.

[Kimi81]

Well maybe it would help if Obama would just make it clear and announce that he would like the state of Hawaii to release all and any of the vital records regarding his birth. Make himself clear that he has nothing to hide and officially is calling on Hawaii to release whatever it is that they have on this issue. Maybe even release his school records as well.

Complete transparency.

Why not? Release the Long Form!

Here is a video of democrat Chuck Shumer calling for anyone who wants to be President to release all of these types of documentation...

Obama should release his records.

Yeah maybe he should.........but he won't, and doesn't have to, therefore nothing will ever come of this so just get over it. 90% of Americans could care less

[conspiracybeliever]

Exactly! Who cares? Even if he weren't born here he's a citizen now right? Get over it already!

[shaka5]

Wasn't his birth announced in the news paper way back then??...unless Obama can time travel and changed that himself, damn pesky left time traveling foreigner

http://bartblog.bartcop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/honolulu-advertiser.bmp

[Corp]

People are still complaining about this? Maybe if Chyrsler did a better job at running their business instead of finding people to blame they'd be doing a touch better.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Yeah maybe he should.........but he won't, and doesn't have to, therefore nothing will ever come of this so just get over it. 90% of Americans could care less

Well at least you agree now that maybe he should. If he has nothing to hide then why not? Right?

But there is no way that either you or I could know what will come on this issue. I also highly doubt your 90% of Americans claim.

WASHINGTON – An AOL poll shows 67 percent of users supporting questions about Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president.

Despite the online poll's appearance within the context of a highly opinionated column by Steve Pendlebury slanted against Sarah Palin's recent remarks on Rusty Humphries radio talk show, more than two-thirds of some 82,000 taking the survey indicated support for her position.

Full Article

[THE MATRIX]

Let me see here. Chrysler ran their company down to the ground. The dealers got a raw deal thanks to the people running the company. Now somehow this turns into an issue about Obama's BC.

Am I the only person here who thinks that this is time wasting and absolutely MORONIC?

*Double Facepalm*

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Wasn't his birth announced in the news paper way back then??...unless Obama can time travel and changed that himself, damn pesky left time traveling foreigner

http://bartblog.bartcop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/honolulu-advertiser.bmp

Actually the lawyer in this case (Leo Donoforio) dosen't claim at all that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. - He claims he is not Constitutionally eligible based upon his father's citizenship. He though is still working to have Obama release all his vital records from the state of Hawaii regarding his birth. And of course the main focus of this case is also the unconstitutional involvement of Barack Hussein Obama in the Chrysler reorganization.

[Ryinrea]

Double Face palms

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

So now we start with large photo ridiculing posts because some believe that Obama should not have to release records pertaining to his past. They want to defend having him hide and claim that no one has a right to question him.

Nice tactic to go in and try and damage a thread because you dont like the issue.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Also there is a related Court case to this one that is now heading to the Supreme Court.

Indiana Police go to Supreme Court against Obama’s theft at Chrysler

“REORGANIZATION” OF AUTO COMPANY CLASSIC CASE OF MARXIST PHILOSOPHY OF REDISTRIBUTION-OF-WEALTH

EXCERPT:

(Dec. 8, 2009) — On Friday of this week, the Supreme Court of the United States has scheduled a hearing conference for the petition made by the Indiana Police Pension Trust against the theft of their nearly $6.5 billion dollar investment in the Chrysler Corporation, which was perpetrated by the Obama regime earlier this summer.

The action, whereby the U.S. Treasury, without authorization by Congress, used TARP funding to force Chrysler LLC into a debtor-client relationship, and then in using that to practically control the corporation in bankruptcy pleadings has raised several constitutional and legal issues on the action.

The case’s official name is “Indiana Police Pension Trust et al. vs. Chrysler LLC et al.” The official docket of the Case at the Supreme Court shows the progress of the case before the Supreme Court.

-snip-

To steal the investment of the Indiana Policemen’s Pension Trust and give it to union workers, is a classic example of Marxist ideology in practice. Karl Marx taught that the redistribution of wealth was the only way to redress injustice between the rich and poor. By systematically destroying the financial investments and security of groups which Obama might consider threats to his power, and transferring that wealth to his political supporters, Obama and his regime is without doubt rebuilding the political power map of the nation to ensure his continued residency in the White House.

Such action is a dire indication that there will no longer be free and open elections in the country, a fact confirmed by the recent, massive election fraud in the New York 23rd Congressional District special election.

By such actions the Obama regime has marked itself out as the greatest threat to the American republic in the history of our nation.

FULL ARTICLE

Left-wing politics of Union strongarming and political agendas like CAFE standards and otgher mandates are what killed the car companies to begin with and then these same fascist poitical types come in and split up the dough at the end among themselves.

The corruption of the left-wing Progressive movement is disgusting. These are definetally cases to keep on eye on.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

*read the link in the OP* ohh FFS.....

[questionmark]

Actually the lawyer in this case (Leo Donoforio) dosen't claim at all that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. - He claims he is not Constitutionally eligible based upon his father's citizenship. He though is still working to have Obama release all his vital records from the state of Hawaii regarding his birth. And of course the main focus of this case is also the unconstitutional involvement of Barack Hussein Obama in the Chrysler reorganization.

Could you please point me to that part of the constitution that seez that citizens born in the US are not natural born citizens?

If you complain about that facepalm it can only be that you either

A.) don't know the constitution

B.) know it but don't care as long as it serves as ammunition

C.) know it but you have not understood what you read.

What part of Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

don't you understand?

And since 1857, with the opinion of the Supreme Court Justice Benjamin R. Curtis

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language "a natural-born citizen." It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in the history of this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred Citizenship to the place of birth. At the Declaration of Independence, and ever since, the received general doctrine has been, in conformity with the common law, that free persons born within either of the colonies, were the subjects of the King; that by the Declaration of independence, and the consequent acquisition of sovereignty by the several States, all such persons ceased to be subjects, and became citizens of the several States, [...] .

The Constitution having recognized that persons born within the several States are citizens of the United States, one of four things must be true:

First. That the constitution itself has described what native-born persons shall or shall not be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States; or,

Second:. That it has empowered Congress to do so; or,

Third. That all free persons, born within the several States, are citizens of the United States; or,

Fourth. That it is left to each State to determine what free persons, born within its limits, shall be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States.

If there is such a thing as Citizenship of the United States acquired by birth within the States, which the Constitution expressly recognizes, and no one denies, then those four alternatives embrace the entire subject, and it only remains to select that one which is true.

The argument that his father was whatever is about as preposterous as Bush hiding bin Laden under his bed.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Could you please point me to that part of the constitution that seez that citizens born in the US are not natural born citizens?

If you complain about that facepalm it can only be that you either

A.) don't know the constitution

B.) know it but don't care as long as it serves as ammunition

C.) know it but you have not understood what you read.

What part of Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

don't you understand?

And since 1857, with the opinion of the Supreme Court Justice Benjamin R. Curtis

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language "a natural-born citizen." It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in the history of this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred Citizenship to the place of birth. At the Declaration of Independence, and ever since, the received general doctrine has been, in conformity with the common law, that free persons born within either of the colonies, were the subjects of the King; that by the Declaration of independence, and the consequent acquisition of sovereignty by the several States, all such persons ceased to be subjects, and became citizens of the several States, [...] .

The Constitution having recognized that persons born within the several States are citizens of the United States, one of four things must be true:

First. That the constitution itself has described what native-born persons shall or shall not be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States; or,

Second:. That it has empowered Congress to do so; or,

Third. That all free persons, born within the several States, are citizens of the United States; or,

Fourth. That it is left to each State to determine what free persons, born within its limits, shall be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States.

If there is such a thing as Citizenship of the United States acquired by birth within the States, which the Constitution expressly recognizes, and no one denies, then those four alternatives embrace the entire subject, and it only remains to select that one which is true.

The argument that his father was whatever is about as preposterous as Bush hiding bin Laden under his bed.

You are entitled to your opinion (and argument) but then again so are these people who got screwed out of their investments.

Personally I agree that the Courts should address this issue being that is what they are paid to do. It is the Court that rules on the Constitution and on law.

All anyone is asking for here is for the process to work and for there to be transparency on the issue. Discovery needs to be granted, arguments should be heard and the Courts should rule on the law.

Edited December 9, 2009 by TRUEYOUTRUEME

[questionmark]

You are entitled to your opinion (and argument) but then again so are these people who got screwed out of their investments.

Personally I agree that the Courts should address this issue being that is what they are paid to do. It is the Court that rules on the Constitution and on law.

All anyone is asking for here is for the process to work and for there to be transparency on the issue. Discovery needs to be granted, arguments should be heard and the Courts should rule on the law.

The courts have ruled so far 44 times, one Federal Justice got so tired of it that he told some that if they show up with this crap again in his court he was going to jail them.

The fat lady has not sung, she has laryngitis from all the singing.

As for their investments, without Obama there would be no Chrysler dealer anymore. Life is hard. Some loose, some gain.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

The courts have ruled so far 44 times, one Federal Justice got so tired of it that he told some that if they show up with this crap again in his court he was going to jail them.

The fat lady has not sung, she has laryngitis from all the singing.

As for their investments, without Obama there would be no Chrysler dealer anymore. Life is hard. Some loose, some gain.

Discovery has never been granted. Arguments on the merits of the case have never been heard. No ruling on the eligibility clause of the Constitution has been made since this case has currently been brought up.

The case is being stonewalled. The people have a Constitutional right to have the case heard. So I applaud these lawyers for standing up for the people's Consitutional rights.

[questionmark]

Discovery has never been granted. Arguments on the merits of the case have never been heard. No ruling on the eligibility clause of the Constitution has been made since this case has currently been brought up.

The case is being stonewalled. The people have a Constitutional right to have the case heard. So I applaud these lawyers for standing up for the people's Consitutional rights.

Just like you would do if the guy in question was Republican...we know.

[THE MATRIX]

The case is being stonewalled. The people have a Constitutional right to have the case heard. So I applaud these lawyers for standing up for the people's Consitutional rights.

The lawyers are only going along with this because the people are foolish enough to believe this crap and it is an easy buck for the lawyers.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Just like you would do if the guy in question was Republican...we know.

I support having the right to question the Constitutionality of issues. I believe it is a right of the People. I also do agree that other people have a right to think that certain lawsuits are frivilous. There have been times when I think a lawsuit is frivilous and others disagree.

Who knows where this will all lead in the end. I honestly believe that I would support the same position I have now regardless of who the person was but of course there is no way to prove that. Even if the Courts do finally rule on this I do not expect that I will agree with them but at least the process was not denied as it is now.

If it is not resolved by 2012 and Obama decides to run again then I suspect this will be even a much bigger issue. It would be better for him to just come clean and let the Court rule on it.

Edited December 9, 2009 by TRUEYOUTRUEME

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Just like you would do if the guy in question was Republican...we know.

Also just to point out to you. The lawyer who started all of this and brought the very first case challenging Obama's eligibility was Phillip Berg, a prominent democrat who was already famous for the cases he brought against Bush.

This is issue has always been about the law and the Constitution and not about political party or the color of ones skin.