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[spud the mackem]

Dredimus, on 14 November 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

I'm going to go ahead and chime in here... I've not posted anyting since election night in order to not be trolled by either party into an arguement of who won, who didnt and all that good Jazz. I start off by congratulating President Obama on his re-election. I may not agree with his policy, but he is the president... like it or not.

Now, as for these states (I do believe there are now petitions for all 50 states) filing for secession. I do not believe its so much of an "I dont like Obama" movement as it is a "Im fed up with the politics and the debt and the lies and the issues this country has and no one is doing a damn thing to fix them and its all just getting worse" movement. There are many people like me out there who have no true party affiliation. I am not a republican nor a democrat, I consider myself to be mostly conservative but I dont agree with any particular party line. Abortion? Its your choice, just dont expect me to pay for it. Gay Marriage? Your life is your life, just dont do it in my front yard. Gun Control? How about we crack down on the criminals before we go after the hunters... just makes more sense... Immgration? Hell, I have quite a few friends that are hispanic, we get along great. They are all good people, they take care of their familes and they work hard... they do eat some weird stuff... but thats on them... they got here LEGALLY and arent sponging off the system. Welfare/medicaid/unemployment? All good programs when they are utilized correctly, though right now they are abused beyond belief... Im all for giving a hand up, just not a hand out. So, you see, those are just tip of the iceberg topics... I happen to believe that the policies of the last few administrations have left this country with little to no hope and alot of people are starting to wake up and see this. Alot of people see the writing on the wall, many countries have been where we are right now and many countries have fallen in the past. I take these petitions (which are done by citizens, not the state governments) to be a wake up call... And I agree with that wakeup call... You all know just as well as I do that these states are NOT going to leave the union, nor do I beleive they truely want to. I do believe they want the horse poop to stop. Stop pitting man against man on party lines, stop slinging the race card (both sides) stop bickering about he said she said crap... and actually get to work... earn the salary that the US Tax payer pays you. Cut Spending, bring in more business/jobs. STOP trying to take over every part of our lives... It is not the governments place to micromanage... we are not sea monkies. Furthermore... stop with the CIA/FBI soap opera and focus a little more on Benghazi... 4 americans are dead and no one seems to give a rats patoot... as an american and as a soldier... I want to know why they died and why help wasnt delivered in time...

ok, that is all... *steps off my soap box*

Good Post Buddy,it makes sense,to me anyway.I wish they would do the same in my Country (U.K) cheers.

[Dredimus]

spud the mackem, on 15 November 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Good Post Buddy,it makes sense,to me anyway.I wish they would do the same in my Country (U.K) cheers.

Yeah, just wish more people would stop focusing on certain topics and look at the broad picture. The way things are setup here its a 2 party system and good luck getting a word in if you arent with either of those two parties. Celebrity worship and laziness are killing this country *sighs* I dont see anything changing

[MissMelsWell]

Heh, I have a friend here who works for an international corporation, but she's Swedish, she's working at the corporate campus half the year, and back home in Sweden the rest of the year. i've lived in both the US and the UK and have traveled all over the world with a few exceptions.

People in Europe are NOT oppressed. LOL. That's about the most obtuse thing I've read on the internet in a while. My friend from Sweden made a remark a couple of weeks ago about our political process that just made me sad she said (in English better than native speakers I know in a many cases) "I thought politics in Sweden and Europe were kind of wonky, but you Americans are positively INSANE, I can't wait to go home" ... That not only made me sad, it made me MAD at the overall process here and how utterly ridicuous it is. But it also shows that Europeans are in no way oppressed and in many cases actually like it better at home than here. Again, sad.

[RavenHawk]

747400, on 15 November 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

Well, Opel was a major producer of trucks for the German army, to the tune of some 82356 3-ton Opel Blitz 3.6-36 and 3.6-36S trucks, according to the ever-reliable Achtungpanzer.com,

I wasn’t arguing that.  They were able to produce that many trucks because they utilized Ford’s assembly line technique.  But they still weren’t a major player in the Party.

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but I think we're heading well into Godwin territory now if we're somehow drawing comparisons with O'bamacare and O'bama raising taxes, I think.

Well, I think that Godwin was more for the overall Hitler.  But in this subject, I am using Hitler the statesman as opposed to Hitler the Final Solution.  And I think that comparing Obama’s agenda with Hitler the statesman/dictator’s agenda is legitimate.  There are many similarities.  But we could use Stalin or Mao too.

Edited by RavenHawk, 16 November 2012 - 07:50 PM.

[RavenHawk]

MissMelsWell, on 16 November 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

People in Europe are NOT oppressed. LOL. That's about the most obtuse thing I've read on the internet in a while. My friend from Sweden made a remark a couple of weeks ago about our political process that just made me sad she said (in English better than native speakers I know in a many cases) "I thought politics in Sweden and Europe were kind of wonky, but you Americans are positively INSANE, I can't wait to go home" ... That not only made me sad, it made me MAD at the overall process here and how utterly ridicuous it is. But it also shows that Europeans are in no way oppressed and in many cases actually like it better at home than here. Again, sad.

If you don’t like oppressed then try enslaved.  When you live in a gilded cage, you don’t realize how enslaved you are.  When the state takes care of you, you are so unaware of how much the state controls you.  Ask your friend what she thinks would happen if and when Sweden will have to institute austerity?  How will she feel when the government has to take away her Entitlements and welfare in order to stay solvent?  What does she have to say about Greece, England, France, Spain, Italy and all the other European nations in the past couple of years that have seen riots because of austerity?  What is she willing to give up to prevent that from happening in her nation?

[spud the mackem]

Dredimus, on 16 November 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

Yeah, just wish more people would stop focusing on certain topics and look at the broad picture. The way things are setup here its a 2 party system and good luck getting a word in if you arent with either of those two parties. Celebrity worship and laziness are killing this country *sighs* I dont see anything changing

  Hi again Buddy,we have a 3 main party system,so at the last election in order to get a majority the Conservatives and Liberals ganged up against the Labour, and its totally FUBAR, no kidding, and now we are down the pan round the bend and heading for the sewer.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

RavenHawk, on 16 November 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

If you don't like oppressed then try enslaved.  When you live in a gilded cage, you don't realize how enslaved you are.  When the state takes care of you, you are so unaware of how much the state controls you.  Ask your friend what she thinks would happen if and when Sweden will have to institute austerity?  How will she feel when the government has to take away her Entitlements and welfare in order to stay solvent?  What does she have to say about Greece, England, France, Spain, Italy and all the other European nations in the past couple of years that have seen riots because of austerity?  What is she willing to give up to prevent that from happening in her nation?

As oppposed to the blissful worker's paradise of the U.S. system, when the worker is  entirely dependent on the goodwill of the firm that employs them and if they're fired (because, for instance, they transfer production to somehere cheaper), or they want to cut wages, then, well, tough? So it's slavery to have something to fall back on in that eventuality, is it? Is it not slavery to your employer if you have no, or negligible, fallback if they decide to switch production to China? i think it's vastly more likely that any employer, even a globe-spanning megacorporation, would be likely to take away jobs and cut wages in order to, well, not even in order to stay solvent, just to boost profits. People don't seem to realise how vulnerable they are if they rely entirely on Capitalism. Being "slaves" to a welfare state actually means that the worker has a lot more freedom, because there's something to fall back on if it doesn't work out.

Are you really trying to say that there is no discontent in the U.S., then, just because there have not been any overt riots? Perhaps that might be taken as a sign of how oppressive the Governement is. I'd have thought all the Repub/Dem squabbling, and all the talk of secession and civil Conflict if Obama won, would amply suggest that there was plenty of that.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Republicans are sore losers

[Antilles]

ah, when did this thread stop discussing secession? In the US anyway.

[JGirl]

shaddow134, on 12 November 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

Maybe they could join us here in Canada....

what for? if they want their own little countries then so be it. someone will eventually just take them over.