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#76    LucidElement

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:58 AM

View Postninjadude, on 10 November 2012 - 12:34 AM, said:

That is the way of taxation in our country. those who are most able to afford it, pay more. I'm sorry that you just now figured this out. How old are you?

27. Insurance Sales Agent.. but its not fair to tax those who make more money then others, because they worked just as hard to get it (all things considered) as much as the next guy.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:06 AM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 10 November 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

Joc, go read up. You're SO wrong about it. Nevermind, don't even bother. You've probably never been seriously ill, working full time or more, and without health care.You'll never understand.

Oh, and my 25 year old daughter is going to have health care for the first time since she was 18. She couldn't afford it previously and she's worked full time since she was 17! But a kid who makes $14 an hour can't afford $670 a month for half-assed coverage.

MissWells, i have a great PPO plan from Blue Cross Blue Sheild and i have pre-exsisting conditions.. I pay 240.00 a month.. my dad has a 500.00 a month plan that covers EVERY SINGLE THING and thats one of the best health care planes in the country.. so when you say 640 a month im very confused. Because again, my buddy pays 120 a month and he has no pre-exsiting but he has a PPO from blue cross blue shield as well. So yea .. 640? huh

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:10 AM

Everyone that has participating in this topic. needs to watch this. its 2min long.. it was in 2008-2009. but it tells you about the peope that vote for Obama just because and have no idea whats going on in our country. They just want free handouts.. so please watch this all!!! Thanks =)

https://www.youtube....h?v=pIkksi344cM

Even if many people dont like foxnews, or glenn beck.. it is what it is.. this is not an opinion its a fact and a recording. So please watch this. AGAIN has nothing to do with Glenn Beck or Fox news, but shows the type of people who vote for obama. Its not right, people in this country dont even try to learn anymore. its a shame.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

View PostLucidElement, on 11 November 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Everyone that has participating in this topic. needs to watch this. its 2min long.. it was in 2008-2009. but it tells you about the peope that vote for Obama just because and have no idea whats going on in our country. They just want free handouts.. so please watch this all!!! Thanks =)

https://www.youtube....h?v=pIkksi344cM

Even if many people dont like foxnews, or glenn beck.. it is what it is.. this is not an opinion its a fact and a recording. So please watch this. AGAIN has nothing to do with Glenn Beck or Fox news, but shows the type of people who vote for obama. Its not right, people in this country dont even try to learn anymore. its a shame.

All want free government services, the poor handouts, the rich without paying for it. I fail to see the scandal.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:05 AM

i dont want free government services. That is a easy way out. Id like to work for my money. The point of that video is stating that people have NO IDEA what is going on, and where the money comes from.. oh wait. "From obama's stash" really! LOL... if people were to be more literate and understand whats truly happening then politics and the this country would run much smoother. But that video goes to prove extremely different.. But ya, i know a lot of people that dont want government money or welfare or any of that. Its called doing it your self, no scandal at all!

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:41 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 11 November 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

i dont want free government services. That is a easy way out. Id like to work for my money. The point of that video is stating that people have NO IDEA what is going on, and where the money comes from.. oh wait. "From obama's stash" really! LOL... if people were to be more literate and understand whats truly happening then politics and the this country would run much smoother. But that video goes to prove extremely different.. But ya, i know a lot of people that dont want government money or welfare or any of that. Its called doing it your self, no scandal at all!

Let me see, you don't have a 401K, naturally you never had  a student loan either, you never been unemployed and you never took advantage of any tax breaks... am I right so far? Besides that you don't need no military, police or air controllers?

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:29 PM

I do have a 401k and a 1099. No student loans though i am saying i work a job that i pay taxes into. For a retirement plan. I look down upon those who do not want to work and are satisfied living off food stamps and government checks... thats our hard working money that people just have no backbone and reep our taxes. Its not fair for a woman to have multiple kids knowing she herself doesnt have a job (not saying its easy to find one) but saying she doesn't wanna work and she knows the government will take care of her... well shocking alert.. if you saw that video..  hello illiterate woman, the working people is what you so brilliantly referred to as coming from obamas stash. Obama money,..  its like are you serious.  People that do not have any incentive to work (again not saying those who cant find a job and need help) but those who live off the government handouts because there to illiterate or lazy to work. Its crap. And your from Greece my sister lived there few years. Totally different animal usa and greece. Thanks for your input though sir


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:55 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 11 November 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

All want free government services, the poor handouts, the rich without paying for it. I fail to see the scandal.
I will just say this about that:  Chris Christie had an ObamaGasm after the President told him how much money the Fed was going to pitch in to his state.  Everyone...not me...but I guess, everyone else is on the Government titty.  Government won't let me on their titty and I don't want to be anyway....see, some of us have to actually PUT the milk in the tit.

I am so certain now that the reason this guy was re-elected is because of what Questionmark just said:  All want free government services...especially the ObamaCare which everyone seems to think is going to be just like European Socialized Medicine.  It won't be.  It can't be.  It is the end of America.  Period.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:12 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 11 November 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

I do have a 401k and a 1099. No student loans though i am saying i work a job that i pay taxes into. For a retirement plan. I look down upon those who do not want to work and are satisfied living off food stamps and government checks... thats our hard working money that people just have no backbone and reep our taxes. Its not fair for a woman to have multiple kids knowing she herself doesnt have a job (not saying its easy to find one) but saying she doesn't wanna work and she knows the government will take care of her... well shocking alert.. if you saw that video..  hello illiterate woman, the working people is what you so brilliantly referred to as coming from obamas stash. Obama money,..  its like are you serious.  People that do not have any incentive to work (again not saying those who cant find a job and need help) but those who live off the government handouts because there to illiterate or lazy to work. Its crap. And your from Greece my sister lived there few years. Totally different animal usa and greece. Thanks for your input though sir

So, you belong to the group that does not sponge off the government but foes not want to pay taxes for the services it provides. Fair enough.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:12 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 11 November 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

MissWells, i have a great PPO plan from Blue Cross Blue Sheild and i have pre-exsisting conditions.. I pay 240.00 a month.. my dad has a 500.00 a month plan that covers EVERY SINGLE THING and thats one of the best health care planes in the country.. so when you say 640 a month im very confused. Because again, my buddy pays 120 a month and he has no pre-exsiting but he has a PPO from blue cross blue shield as well. So yea .. 640? huh

Of course you're confused. Do you live in New York?

What you pay is dependant on what state you live in.

Also, if you're working, your company subsidizes your health insurance costs so you pay less out of pocket. (since I"m working right now, I pay $127 out of pocket for my health ins. every month) If I wasn't working or if like the last 10 years I was working but had no company insurance, and had to buy it myself, without my company subsidy, I'd pay $640-$670 a month.

Edit: I just looked again, since i haven't scoped individual insurance in about 3 years since I went back to work--looks like a new option has been added, now I can get a plan for $160 a month with a 10K deductable. Yay, still not very affordable is it? The really decent plans that are comparable to what I get it work now have gone down to about $607. So Obamacare is a start, the costs are going down with more options already. But in my opinion it's still not enough.

Oh and by the way. your pre-existing conditions are covered under your current plans because Obamacare required it, effective in 2010. You're welcome.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 11 November 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Of course you're confused. Do you live in New York?

What you pay is dependant on what state you live in.

Also, if you're working, your company subsidizes your health insurance costs so you pay less out of pocket. (since I"m working right now, I pay $127 out of pocket for my health ins. every month) If I wasn't working or if like the last 10 years I was working but had no company insurance, and had to buy it myself, without my company subsidy, I'd pay $640-$670 a month.

Edit: I just looked again, since i haven't scoped individual insurance in about 3 years since I went back to work--looks like a new option has been added, now I can get a plan for $160 a month with a 10K deductable. Yay, still not very affordable is it? The really decent plans that are comparable to what I get it work now have gone down to about $607. So Obamacare is a start, the costs are going down with more options already. But in my opinion it's still not enough.

Oh and by the way. your pre-existing conditions are covered under your current plans because Obamacare required it, effective in 2010. You're welcome.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:22 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 11 November 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

27. Insurance Sales Agent.. but its not fair to tax those who make more money then others, because they worked just as hard to get it (all things considered) as much as the next guy.

ok my mistake. But it is fair. Our progressive tax system shifts the burden of taxation to those most able to pay.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:28 PM

View Postjoc, on 11 November 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Who is going to pay for all the Medical Care that everyone is going to wanting...and expecting all at once?

you do know that for the most part, with the affordable care act, you pay insurance premiums, right?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 03:26 AM

View Postjoc, on 10 November 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

...I want my ObamaPhone, I want my ObamaBucks,  I want my ObamaCare...
This is why the guy was re-elected...

I am hereby forever mending this old saying:   ...it now will read.... You can fool Half of the people ALL of the time...

But, you realize 'obamaphones' are a program that was started years ago under President Reagan's tenure.  The program is called 'lifeline'.  It was just land lines until it was upgraded to include cell phones under a certain more recent president's term.  And guess what? THAT wasn't Obama either.  That was George W. Bush.

That's the problem with almost everything you say, you only include part of the message, and none of the truth.


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Posted 12 November 2012 - 03:28 AM

View Postninjadude, on 11 November 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

you do know that for the most part, with the affordable care act, you pay insurance premiums, right?
How could I miss that?  Oh yeah, I must have had my head in a box of sand when Justice Roberts (or was it Judge Judy, I always get those two mixed up) made that the law of the land.

But, please explain to me something...cause I'm a little slow...How is it that suddenly if everyone has an insurance policy that the insurance companies will suddenly be able to pay for Every medical expense known to mankind?

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