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#1    svenshoegazer

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 05:31 PM

This is like a big slap in the worlds face. A $1 billion slap and then some flaunting.. Don't get me wrong I voted for Obama in 08 and I am liberal as they come. But this campaign gold amount is uncalled for and just sickening to me. After Japan's Earthquake, the Tsunami and the potential nuclear disaster, the Middle East crisis, killing of UN Workers, US evolved in 3 wars he would be just a bit conservative on his 2012 bid. That money could so help out with other things then elect Obama as President or anyone else really. I think my vote is going to Ron Paul this year I really don't think he will flaunt $1 billion dollars just to be President of the US in the faces of need and dispair of the World and the US too.

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 05:39 PM

View Postsvenshoegazer, on 05 April 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

This is like a big slap in the worlds face. A $1 billion slap and then some flaunting.. Don't get me wrong I voted for Obama in 08 and I am liberal as they come. But this campaign gold amount is uncalled for and just sickening to me. After Japan's Earthquake, the Tsunami and the potential nuclear disaster, the Middle East crisis, killing of UN Workers, US evolved in 3 wars he would be just a bit conservative on his 2012 bid. That money could so help out with other things then elect Obama as President or anyone else really. I think my vote is going to Ron Paul this year I really don't think he will flaunt $1 billion dollars just to be President of the US in the faces of need and dispair of the World and the US too.

Well, for one thing, that is simply the amount Obama thinks he can raise for reelection - not the amount he has. For another, if you ant to vote for a weird little gnome that thinks that the rich ought to ride horses decorated with the pelts of the poor, go ahead... personally I will still vote for Obama. After all, I'd rather have a president I agree with 75% of the time than a president that I agree with exactly 0% of the time...


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Posted 05 April 2011 - 05:46 PM

View PostWookietim, on 05 April 2011 - 05:39 PM, said:

Well, for one thing, that is simply the amount Obama thinks he can raise for reelection - not the amount he has. For another, if you ant to vote for a weird little gnome that thinks that the rich ought to ride horses decorated with the pelts of the poor, go ahead... personally I will still vote for Obama. After all, I'd rather have a president I agree with 75% of the time than a president that I agree with exactly 0% of the time...
I didn't word that post right I guess. I do know that he doesn't have that amount on hand and it is just a campaign gold. But it is still very uncalled for I think, in the wake of things happening now and for the future.

Edited by svenshoegazer, 05 April 2011 - 05:49 PM.

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:01 PM

View Postsvenshoegazer, on 05 April 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

I didn't word that post right I guess. I do know that he doesn't have that amount on hand and it is just a campaign gold. But it is still very uncalled for I think, in the wake of things happening now and for the future.

The sad thing about American politics is that the poor (or even middle class) can't really run for office. It takes a rich man to even have a chance at Congress anymore... And for president, with all of the campaigning that has to be done across the country, the price is even higher.

Really, all Obama is guilty of here is the realization of that sad fact in 21st century politics.

For a short while I thought that perhaps the internet would level the playing field a bit... maybe allow people to build real grass roots campaigns. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be happening since the more money that is spent on creating a slick website with content constantly updating (By a paid staff of professional writers) seems to get more hits than the real websites. And the problem anyone running for office has is that there will be a vocal contingent of detractors that will try to spread FUD about them on a constant basis...

Obama has to contend with Fox News and the Tea Party - two organizations that have quite a bit of money to spread that FUD. Take a look at what those two organizations did to the HCR Bill - they took something that actually helped tens of millions of people and convinced a large segment of the population that it would lead to roving death panels and Obama personally killing grandmothers. How can one rebut that without spending copious amounts of money? I mean, really... if we had a country that was interested in facts, then we'd have a country in which people could run for president on a much lower amount of money. But as it is, we have a country that engages more in political image destruction than in really discussing facts...


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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:02 PM

oops...I really wouldn't help out much either if I voted for Ron Paul "this year" :blush:

Edited by svenshoegazer, 05 April 2011 - 06:05 PM.

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:16 PM

There really should be a limit as to what a candidate can spend campaigning as it should be about quality not quantity. Judge them on what they say not how many times they can afford to say it.

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:16 PM

View PostWookietim, on 05 April 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

The sad thing about American politics is that the poor (or even middle class) can't really run for office. It takes a rich man to even have a chance at Congress anymore... And for president, with all of the campaigning that has to be done across the country, the price is even higher.

Really, all Obama is guilty of here is the realization of that sad fact in 21st century politics.

For a short while I thought that perhaps the internet would level the playing field a bit... maybe allow people to build real grass roots campaigns. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be happening since the more money that is spent on creating a slick website with content constantly updating (By a paid staff of professional writers) seems to get more hits than the real websites. And the problem anyone running for office has is that there will be a vocal contingent of detractors that will try to spread FUD about them on a constant basis...

Obama has to contend with Fox News and the Tea Party - two organizations that have quite a bit of money to spread that FUD. Take a look at what those two organizations did to the HCR Bill - they took something that actually helped tens of millions of people and convinced a large segment of the population that it would lead to roving death panels and Obama personally killing grandmothers. How can one rebut that without spending copious amounts of money? I mean, really... if we had a country that was interested in facts, then we'd have a country in which people could run for president on a much lower amount of money. But as it is, we have a country that engages more in political image destruction than in really discussing facts...

All very good points. Just seems he is adding more fuel to the fire of Tea Parters and other conversative types though with this campaign gold. And people like me (leftes) as well with getting the US into this new war in Libya but ignoring all the other citizens getting killed in other Middle Eastern Countries. I know we can't be the World's Sherriff but we need to either help all in a balanced way or just step away if we can't..Other wise it looks like we are only helping countries we have "interests" in.

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:18 PM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 05 April 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

There really should be a limit as to what a candidate can spend campaigning as it should be about quality not quantity. Judge them on what they say not how many times they can afford to say it.
So very true!!! Well spoken SilverT!

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:22 PM

View Postsvenshoegazer, on 05 April 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

All very good points. Just seems he is adding more fuel to the fire of Tea Parters and other conversative types though with this campaign gold. And people like me (leftes) as well with getting the US into this new war in Libya but ignoring all the other citizens getting killed in other Middle Eastern Countries. I know we can't be the World's Sherriff but we need to either help all in a balanced way or just step away if we can't..Other wise it looks like we are only helping countries we have "interests" in.

Well, I agree with you on all of that... I am pretty ambivalent about what we are doing in Libya to be honest. On the one hand I really really really do not want a third war. We can't afford it (Financially, diplomatically, or otherwise). But on the other hand we do seem to be limiting our activities there much more than Bush did in Iraq or Afghanistan and we really can't just look the other way when someone like Ghadafi starts opening fire on his own people...

The thing is that no matter who the president is they are not going to make all of the people happy all of the time. It will never happen. I tend to agree with what Obama does roughly 75% of the time... which is a lot higher than I have agreed with anyone since Clinton, so I'm actually pretty happy with Obama. The Tea Party and Fox News and the GOP try to blow a lot of things out of proportion when they can because, well, that is their job. Heck, Fox News makes money by doing that. And the GOP does it to try to get votes. The Tea Party... Well, they seem to me to be just sheep being led by Fox and the GOP's exaggerations (I hate to call them that but it's the truth).

Every president has his detractors. The problem right now is that the detractors, while small in number overall, have really big megaphones to scream into...


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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:42 PM

View Postsvenshoegazer, on 05 April 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

This is like a big slap in the worlds face. A $1 billion slap and then some flaunting.. Don't get me wrong I voted for Obama in 08 and I am liberal as they come. But this campaign gold amount is uncalled for and just sickening to me. After Japan's Earthquake, the Tsunami and the potential nuclear disaster, the Middle East crisis, killing of UN Workers, US evolved in 3 wars he would be just a bit conservative on his 2012 bid. That money could so help out with other things then elect Obama as President or anyone else really. I think my vote is going to Ron Paul this year I really don't think he will flaunt $1 billion dollars just to be President of the US in the faces of need and dispair of the World and the US too.

Dennis Kucinich sounds like your man then. Since you're a lib.

( Except he definitely falls into that " weird little gnome " catagory that Wookietim spoke of )


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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:47 PM

View Postclyde barrow, on 05 April 2011 - 06:42 PM, said:

Dennis Kucinich sounds like your man then. Since you're a lib.

( Except he definitely falls into that " weird little gnome " catagory that Wookietim spoke of )

Kucinich is actually a great guy... I really like his politics... and for a weird little gnome, he has a smoking hot wife...


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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:51 PM

View PostWookietim, on 05 April 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

Kucinich is actually a great guy... I really like his politics... and for a weird little gnome, he has a smoking hot wife...

Yes. That he does.


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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:52 PM

View PostWookietim, on 05 April 2011 - 06:22 PM, said:

Well, I agree with you on all of that... I am pretty ambivalent about what we are doing in Libya to be honest. On the one hand I really really really do not want a third war. We can't afford it (Financially, diplomatically, or otherwise). But on the other hand we do seem to be limiting our activities there much more than Bush did in Iraq or Afghanistan and we really can't just look the other way when someone like Ghadafi starts opening fire on his own people...

The thing is that no matter who the president is they are not going to make all of the people happy all of the time. It will never happen. I tend to agree with what Obama does roughly 75% of the time... which is a lot higher than I have agreed with anyone since Clinton, so I'm actually pretty happy with Obama. The Tea Party and Fox News and the GOP try to blow a lot of things out of proportion when they can because, well, that is their job. Heck, Fox News makes money by doing that. And the GOP does it to try to get votes. The Tea Party... Well, they seem to me to be just sheep being led by Fox and the GOP's exaggerations (I hate to call them that but it's the truth).

Every president has his detractors. The problem right now is that the detractors, while small in number overall, have really big megaphones to scream into...

I did agree with Obama on almost everything before Libya, he trully lost me there. And also how we are handling the Japanese Crisis as well..we are just standing back and watching (so it seems). So with Libya though the big question is...Are we there to kill one and save a million or make $ millions???

But I agree with you on what you say about the GOP, FOX and the Tea Parters.

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:55 PM

View Postclyde barrow, on 05 April 2011 - 06:42 PM, said:

Dennis Kucinich sounds like your man then. Since you're a lib.

( Except he definitely falls into that " weird little gnome " catagory that Wookietim spoke of )
Oh forgot about Kucinich and his Hot Wife..is he running in 2012 though??

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:59 PM

View Postsvenshoegazer, on 05 April 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

I did agree with Obama on almost everything before Libya, he trully lost me there. And also how we are handling the Japanese Crisis as well..we are just standing back and watching (so it seems). So with Libya though the big question is...Are we there to kill one and save a million or make $ millions???

But I agree with you on what you say about the GOP, FOX and the Tea Parters.

Well, when it comes to Libya it seems we have sort of stayed out of putting troops on the ground and are limiting our involvement to air strikes... which is a good idea. The one area that the US has unquestioned superiority is in the military tech we have in the air - Clinton knew that which is why he tended to use it a lot more than Bush (Who seemed to favor ground troops). And like I said - morally and ethically we couldn't look the other way when Ghadafi was opening fire on his own people, those people were crying out to us and our allies in Europe were urging us to stop Ghadafi... That would have been wrong. Perhaps the same can be said about the other countries in the area, but as far as I have heard they aren't exactly asking us to help either (Unlike Libya).

And as for Japan.. Beyond sending help (And the US has sent help in the form of equipment to help with the reactor as well as supplies for those displaced by the catastrophes) there isn't much we can do beyond what Japan is already doing. They have a serious problem but sending more people to get in the way of their handling of it really won't help all that much. After all, to be entirely honest, they know much more about these reactors than we do, so we aren't exactly in a position to help them in that way.





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