New trial:Sirhan for the RFK assassination

[Paracelse]

Sirhan lawyers: Bullet was switched and he was hypnotized before Robert Kennedy assassination.

LOS ANGELES — Lawyers representing convicted assassin Sirhan Sirhan argue in newly filed court documents that a bullet was switched in evidence at his trial and new forensic details show he is innocent of the 1968 killing of Sen.Robert F. Kennedy.

In the latest of many appeals filed on behalf of Sirhan, the attorneys are seeking to overturn his conviction.

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Although this is actual news I posted this in the conspiracy theory forum since the brainwashing hypnosis theory is far from proven...

[Psychic51]

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. The Manchurian Candidate theory has been strong in this case. That's a can of worms that could lead to important discoveries.

Do we dare hope for a posthumous trial of Oswald? I'd like to see whether the "magic bullet" has any blood or tissue on it.

[Swadwa]

We will probably be fed a new story, but not the truth. The government is so filled with deception and lies, some of them so damn ridiculous that I can't believe people believe them.

[Paracelse]

We've seen what happen with his brother

[Mr.Gooding]

After this case i would like to see JFK's case as well

[AdealJustice]

Uhmm if anyone would seriously read this and you will know how sleeper agents are created. this is completely plausible.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/mindcontrol_index.htm

"SCIENCE NO. 1.

THE SELECTION & PREPARATION OF THE VICTIM

A - SELECTION BASED ON GENETICS & DISSOCIATIVE ABILITIES

B - AVAILABILITY

C - MENTAL AND PHYSICAL FEATURES

One of the primary reasons that the Monarch mind-control programming was named Monarch programming was because of the Monarch butterfly. The Monarch butterfly learns where it was born (its roots) and it passes this knowledge via genetics on to its offspring (from generation to generation). This was one of the key animals that tipped scientists off, that knowledge can be passed genetically. The Monarch program is based upon Illuminati and Nazi goals to create a Master race in part through genetics. If knowledge can be passed genetically (which it is), then it is important that parents be found that can pass the correct knowledge onto those victims selected for the Monarch mind-control. The primary important factor for the trauma-based mind-control is the ability to disassociate. It was discovered that this ability is passed genetically from generation to generation. American Indian tribes (who had traumatic ritual dances and who would wait motionless for hours when hunting), children of Fakirs in India (who would sleep on a bed of nails or walk on hot coals), children of Yogis (those skilled in Yoga, who would have total control over their body in trance), Tibetan buddhists, children of Vodoun, Bizango and other groups have a good ability to disassociate.

The children of multigenerational abuse are also good at dissociation. The Illuminati families and European occultists went to India, and Tibet to study occultism and eastern philosophy. These Europeans learned yoga, tantric yoga, meditations, and trances and other methods to disassociate. These skills are passed on to their children via genetics. A test is run when the children are about 18 months old to determine if they can dissociate enough to be selected for programming or not. Mind-controlled slaves are created for different purposes, hierarchy or non-hierarchy purposes. The Illuminati create mind-controlled slaves who are to function within the Illuminati hierarchy. These slaves will usually have their genealogies hidden, and will be created to have excellent cover lives to insure that they are not detected. They will be given multifunctional programming, and will usually be used to help program other slaves. The abuse will not be as physically visible as it will be on the bodies of slaves who are not born to be part of the Illuminati elite. Members of Moriah’s (Moriah = the Illuminati) Luciferian elite will have undergone as much trauma as other slaves, however the torture scars and the control are better concealed.

These children will often receive lavish experiences as well as talks to convince them that they are part of the elite. (By the way, body scars will show up better under black light, that is the same black light as used in clubs.) The Illuminati and other organizations have also programmed individuals who are simply expendable. These are sex slaves who are used up and killed very early in life, one-time use saboteurs, breeders, soldiers, drug couriers and so forth. The bodies of these people will often show visible torture scars. The expendable are the children of parents who were blackmailed into turning their children over to the CIA. This is all hidden by the power of the National Security Act. These are children, who have been sold by pedophile fathers, or pornographic parents. The programmers/masters program them with the expectation that they will be “thrown from the freedom train” when they get to age 30. (Freedom Train is the code word for the Monarch trauma-based mind-control. To be thrown from the Freedom Train means to be killed.) The CIA and the Illuminati are skilled at blackmailing parents to give up their children. They would watch the mail for porn. Pedophile and murderers who abuse their children are warned that they will go to prison for long lengths of time if they do not cooperate by selling their children into mind-controlled slavery. In return for the parent’s cooperation, they provide rich financial rewards to the parent(s). It’s clearly a case of “if you don’t cooperate you lose in life big time, if you do cooperate you win big time.”

Ministers are often set up with Betas (a sexual model) who then blackmail them. The ministers do not want to lose their status and profession via scandals, so they agree to turn their children over when young to the CIA to work with. The Illuminati like to blackmail these ministers when they are finished with their Seminary schooling and committed to the ministry at about 33 years of age. The idea of having nothing to fall back on after they have committed their entire life to one profession is too much for these weak willed men, and they buckle under the threats. If they don’t buckle under, the resulting consequences will remove them from ministry. The type of father who is most preferred by the Programmers to offer up their children for programming is the pedophile. If a father will abuse his own little baby girl, then the Programmers know that the man has no conscience. This father’s involvement in criminal activity (and thereby his vulnerability) can be continually increased. They want men who they believe will not develop any qualms later on in life about what they have done. A man, who waits until his daughter is a teenager to molest her, is usually esteemed to have too much conscience for the programmers. A big distinction must be made between hierarchy Monarch slaves, and non-hierarchy Monarch slaves. The reason there is such a big distinction is that they are not programmed the same way.

Since this book is giving the recipe for how to create a Monarch slave, we will have to cover the distinction between slaves within the Illuminati and those slaves who function outside of the Illuminati hierarchy. It is important to stress that the label “Monarch” is used in this book in a generic sense for the modern trauma-based total mind-control that is taking place. Whether an Illuminati mind-controlled slave is technically in the Monarch records or out of the actual Monarch Program data files kept on computer is merely a technicality. In my (Fritz’s) other writings, I explain about how the Illuminati created the CIA. I know that some of its directors were members of the Illuminati and I strongly suspect that the other CIA directors were probably full-fledged members too. The two organizations need each other. If the CIA didn’t have the international backing of the movers and shakers of the world, it would have been exposed and done away with. Likewise, the Illuminati, because it is so secret, needs organizations through which it can work.

The CIA is a front for the Illuminati, and the CIA in turn sets up fronts. Some of those fronts, are elaborate well-staffed, well-equipped programming sites, (such as many of the state mental hospitals, McGill Psychiatric Training Network consisting of 8 Montreal hospitals esp. St. Mary’s, NASA in Huntsville, AL; the Presideo, CA; and NOTS at China Lake, CA, to name a few. For a more complete list see Appendix B.) The Illuminati couldn’t do it alone without its fronts. Satanists within the Network & the CIA took over Boy’s Town, NE in the early 1950s, & used that famous orphanage for a constant supply of boys for programming. Boy’s Town is perhaps the most famous, but there are whole long lists of others. When the Monarch Programming started, the top men were Illuminati. Originally, Joseph Mengele was the lead programmer. He had already achieved the rank of Grand Master (later Ipssimus) within the Illuminati. He had become skilled in music, in Kabbalistic Magic, in dancing, in abortions, and in torture (by the way, Mengele had a sadistic mother) and programming children. Many of the concentration camp children that Mengele programmed still survive and still love him to this day as “Daddy”. Mengele disappeared from Auschwitz in Jan. 1945, several months before the final chaos began in the Third Reich. He disappeared so the Illuminati could smuggle him to the U.S., so that his exceptional knowledge of programming--honed and fined tuned on thousands of concentration camp child victims could be put to use on a grande scale in the U.S."

Edited December 1, 2011 by seller2006

[Paracelse]

Uhmm if anyone would seriously read this and you will know how sleeper agents are created. this is completely plausible.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/mindcontrol/mindcontrol_index.htm

"SCIENCE NO. 1.

THE SELECTION & PREPARATION OF THE VICTIM

A - SELECTION BASED ON GENETICS & DISSOCIATIVE ABILITIES

B - AVAILABILITY

C - MENTAL AND PHYSICAL FEATURES

One of the primary reasons that the Monarch mind-control programming was named Monarch programming was because of the Monarch butterfly. The Monarch butterfly learns where it was born (its roots) and it passes this knowledge via genetics on to its offspring (from generation to generation). This was one of the key animals that tipped scientists off, that knowledge can be passed genetically. The Monarch program is based upon Illuminati and Nazi goals to create a Master race in part through genetics. If knowledge can be passed genetically (which it is), then it is important that parents be found that can pass the correct knowledge onto those victims selected for the Monarch mind-control. The primary important factor for the trauma-based mind-control is the ability to disassociate. It was discovered that this ability is passed genetically from generation to generation. American Indian tribes (who had traumatic ritual dances and who would wait motionless for hours when hunting), children of Fakirs in India (who would sleep on a bed of nails or walk on hot coals), children of Yogis (those skilled in Yoga, who would have total control over their body in trance), Tibetan buddhists, children of Vodoun, Bizango and other groups have a good ability to disassociate.

The children of multigenerational abuse are also good at dissociation. The Illuminati families and European occultists went to India, and Tibet to study occultism and eastern philosophy. These Europeans learned yoga, tantric yoga, meditations, and trances and other methods to disassociate. These skills are passed on to their children via genetics. A test is run when the children are about 18 months old to determine if they can dissociate enough to be selected for programming or not. Mind-controlled slaves are created for different purposes, hierarchy or non-hierarchy purposes. The Illuminati create mind-controlled slaves who are to function within the Illuminati hierarchy. These slaves will usually have their genealogies hidden, and will be created to have excellent cover lives to insure that they are not detected. They will be given multifunctional programming, and will usually be used to help program other slaves. The abuse will not be as physically visible as it will be on the bodies of slaves who are not born to be part of the Illuminati elite. Members of Moriah’s (Moriah = the Illuminati) Luciferian elite will have undergone as much trauma as other slaves, however the torture scars and the control are better concealed.

These children will often receive lavish experiences as well as talks to convince them that they are part of the elite. (By the way, body scars will show up better under black light, that is the same black light as used in clubs.) The Illuminati and other organizations have also programmed individuals who are simply expendable. These are sex slaves who are used up and killed very early in life, one-time use saboteurs, breeders, soldiers, drug couriers and so forth. The bodies of these people will often show visible torture scars. The expendable are the children of parents who were blackmailed into turning their children over to the CIA. This is all hidden by the power of the National Security Act. These are children, who have been sold by pedophile fathers, or pornographic parents. The programmers/masters program them with the expectation that they will be “thrown from the freedom train” when they get to age 30. (Freedom Train is the code word for the Monarch trauma-based mind-control. To be thrown from the Freedom Train means to be killed.) The CIA and the Illuminati are skilled at blackmailing parents to give up their children. They would watch the mail for porn. Pedophile and murderers who abuse their children are warned that they will go to prison for long lengths of time if they do not cooperate by selling their children into mind-controlled slavery. In return for the parent’s cooperation, they provide rich financial rewards to the parent(s). It’s clearly a case of “if you don’t cooperate you lose in life big time, if you do cooperate you win big time.”

Ministers are often set up with Betas (a sexual model) who then blackmail them. The ministers do not want to lose their status and profession via scandals, so they agree to turn their children over when young to the CIA to work with. The Illuminati like to blackmail these ministers when they are finished with their Seminary schooling and committed to the ministry at about 33 years of age. The idea of having nothing to fall back on after they have committed their entire life to one profession is too much for these weak willed men, and they buckle under the threats. If they don’t buckle under, the resulting consequences will remove them from ministry. The type of father who is most preferred by the Programmers to offer up their children for programming is the pedophile. If a father will abuse his own little baby girl, then the Programmers know that the man has no conscience. This father’s involvement in criminal activity (and thereby his vulnerability) can be continually increased. They want men who they believe will not develop any qualms later on in life about what they have done. A man, who waits until his daughter is a teenager to molest her, is usually esteemed to have too much conscience for the programmers. A big distinction must be made between hierarchy Monarch slaves, and non-hierarchy Monarch slaves. The reason there is such a big distinction is that they are not programmed the same way.

Since this book is giving the recipe for how to create a Monarch slave, we will have to cover the distinction between slaves within the Illuminati and those slaves who function outside of the Illuminati hierarchy. It is important to stress that the label “Monarch” is used in this book in a generic sense for the modern trauma-based total mind-control that is taking place. Whether an Illuminati mind-controlled slave is technically in the Monarch records or out of the actual Monarch Program data files kept on computer is merely a technicality. In my (Fritz’s) other writings, I explain about how the Illuminati created the CIA. I know that some of its directors were members of the Illuminati and I strongly suspect that the other CIA directors were probably full-fledged members too. The two organizations need each other. If the CIA didn’t have the international backing of the movers and shakers of the world, it would have been exposed and done away with. Likewise, the Illuminati, because it is so secret, needs organizations through which it can work.

The CIA is a front for the Illuminati, and the CIA in turn sets up fronts. Some of those fronts, are elaborate well-staffed, well-equipped programming sites, (such as many of the state mental hospitals, McGill Psychiatric Training Network consisting of 8 Montreal hospitals esp. St. Mary’s, NASA in Huntsville, AL; the Presideo, CA; and NOTS at China Lake, CA, to name a few. For a more complete list see Appendix B.) The Illuminati couldn’t do it alone without its fronts. Satanists within the Network & the CIA took over Boy’s Town, NE in the early 1950s, & used that famous orphanage for a constant supply of boys for programming. Boy’s Town is perhaps the most famous, but there are whole long lists of others. When the Monarch Programming started, the top men were Illuminati. Originally, Joseph Mengele was the lead programmer. He had already achieved the rank of Grand Master (later Ipssimus) within the Illuminati. He had become skilled in music, in Kabbalistic Magic, in dancing, in abortions, and in torture (by the way, Mengele had a sadistic mother) and programming children. Many of the concentration camp children that Mengele programmed still survive and still love him to this day as “Daddy”. Mengele disappeared from Auschwitz in Jan. 1945, several months before the final chaos began in the Third Reich. He disappeared so the Illuminati could smuggle him to the U.S., so that his exceptional knowledge of programming--honed and fined tuned on thousands of concentration camp child victims could be put to use on a grande scale in the U.S."

You mean Puharich, the indigo children and the Turkey Farm?

http://www.audiomedium.com/spiricomstudy/files/12a2.pdf

[minera]

my guess is Sirhan will also meet with a fatal accident or something similar before being re tried, as did Oswald. From watching the news for both assasinations I don't feel either acted alone. LBJ was smirking when he was being sworn in on the government jet. As for Sirhan there were so many people milling around anyone could have shot Bobby.

[AdealJustice]

You mean Puharich, the indigo children and the Turkey Farm?

http://www.audiomedium.com/spiricomstudy/files/12a2.pdf

interesting, similar but the link i posted explains how people like that are brainwashed into believing riduculous things, aleins taking them could simply be CIA or FBI or other UNKNOWN forces at work that we the general public don't know about. the book explains how a human can be traumatised enough to separate personalities which can be trained to defend each other and cover there tracks. I highly recommend you read it.

[lightly]

Good. I hope some truth comes out.

* I've always wondered if Lennon's assassin .. had his mind messed with by professional mind messers... and ended up being , yet another, dupe in a sophisticated plot. A lot of extremely powerful and unpleasant people hated John Lennon. ..

*.. I've always suspected John Kennedy Jr.'s accident too.

Because, any time he would have decided to run for president.. he would have won

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Edited December 5, 2011 by lightly

[el midgetron]

This trial is a forgone conclusion. No matter what the truth is, the PTB aren't going to allow a rocking of the "Sirhan was the lone gunman" status-quo-boat.

[Muenzenhamster]

Good. I hope some truth comes out.

* I've always wondered if Lennon's assassin .. had his mind messed with by professional mind messers... and ended up being , yet another, dupe in a sophisticated plot. A lot of extremely powerful and unpleasant people hated John Lennon. ..

*.. I've always suspected John Kennedy Jr.'s accident too.

Because, any time he would have decided to run for president.. he would have won

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It's the same old story, people refuse to believe that someone that great, that larger-than-life, someone that amazing and with so much promise could have been killed by just some ****stick with a gun, thus it had to be a conspiracy. Well, the sad news is that some ****stick with a gun can turn the whole world on its head in a heartbeat. It really doesn't take a conspiracy.

I'm not qualified to comment on Bobby Kennedy's murder, as I haven't read up on it, but I'm convinced that John Lennon's and President Kennedy's murders were senseless acts by individuals that wanted to be known for "something." As such, I believe true justice would lie in erasing their names from the history books forever. The murderers' names, not the President and Lennon's, that is.

[randym23]

yeah, if they prove the Manchurian Candidate hypothesis, it opens the door on a lot of other events or a least force the world to take the possibility seriously.

[Paracelse]

Good. I hope some truth comes out.

* I've always wondered if Lennon's assassin .. had his mind messed with by professional mind messers... and ended up being , yet another, dupe in a sophisticated plot. A lot of extremely powerful and unpleasant people hated John Lennon. ..

*.. I've always suspected John Kennedy Jr.'s accident too.

Because, any time he would have decided to run for president.. he would have won

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Did he get caught reading "Catcher in the Rye"?

[Rlyeh]

Good. I hope some truth comes out.

* I've always wondered if Lennon's assassin .. had his mind messed with by professional mind messers... and ended up being , yet another, dupe in a sophisticated plot. A lot of extremely powerful and unpleasant people hated John Lennon. ..

Yeah, maybe every murderer on earth was a victim of the "professional mind messers".

[Paracelse]

Yeah, maybe every murderer on earth was a victim of the "professional mind messers".

Some of them only need an extremely light tweak

[lightly]

IMO, i have no doubt that RFK ,and JFK junior, were eliminated , by subterfuge, to prevent either of them from becoming president. I think John Lennon was taken out , by subterfuge, because of his extremely powerful anti war influence . Others may think or believe whatever they wish.

[Big Bad Voodoo]

Does anyone knows why Ruby killed Oswald?

[Paracelse]

He said that was because he wanted to be the hero who killed the assassin..

[Spectre1979]

I think that JFK, RFK, Lennon and JFK Jr are all extremely suspicious murders/deaths. JFK is my favourite one and the one with the most interesting and IMO best evidence for a cover up. Followed in order by RFK and JFK Jr... not so sure about Lennon.

EDIT Actually I would like to add MLK to the list as well.

Edited December 16, 2011 by Spectre1979

[jaguarsky]

I doubt very seriously if Sirhan will get a new trial. I think that before that happens someone else will end up dead. I am not saying that there was an actual conspiracy involved in RFK's death, but there were a lot of really sticky webs being spun politically and I don't think anyone still alive that was involved in those webs of deceit would like that information coming out during their lifetime.

As an addendum to this piece, I have read that Bush Sr. said during the Warren commission investigation that he DID NOT remember where he was at the time JFK was killed. I think that would make him the one of only two or three people in the US who could say that. They would be Bush, Nixon, and Jenny the crazy bag lady that used to live on my block in N.Chigago.

Talk among yourselves.

[BVH]

Response to: Muenzenhamster

As to Sirhan Sirhan or Lee Harvey Oswald actually being "individuals that wanted to be known for "something" - I don't think so. If an individual had sufficient capacity to get a weapon into his workplace and find an opportunity to use it to assassinate a public figure surrounded by mulitple individuals and be a good enough marksman to kill 'only' the person he was planning on assassinating - why would that person, if he only 'wanted to be known for something', then either deny that he'd committed the crime; or say "oops - I forget if I did it or not".

As for Oswald's guilt as the lone assassin, it appears that subsequent to the findings of the Church and House committees, many of the former supporters of the Warren Commission findings, actually went public with the fact that they were initially in great doubt about the veracity of the Warren Commission proceedings and - conclusions.

[kaptn k]

@ Melo. Ruby was connected to Nixon, and we all know Nixon lost to Kennedy. Also, Prescott Bush was a close friend to Nixon, and hated JFK - not only for winning but for firing a few CIA agents whom were also close friends of P. Bush. If anyone (besides myself) finds it difficult to believe that Lee Oswald (tried) to defect to the Soviet Union, during a time when they were are worst enemies. Was allowed to walk back onto American soil, was not detained nor interrogated/questioned by the FBI/CIA and not under surveillance must be crazy. Oswald (it is documented) was working for the FBI, Hoover allowed him to "defect" in an attempt to plant one of their own. The CIA were still peeved at JFK for the failed 'bay of pigs'.

Now, Ruby - who Nixon claimed never met, is seen with Ruby in a 1950's photo when Nixon was first running for president. Now, why would Nixon deny ever meeting Ruby? Also, George H.W. Bush was in fact, in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated. Bush actually called the FBI that day, and informed the FBI that he 'heard' a rumor about an assin plot against JFK but later denied being in Dallas.

In other interesting news, John Hinlky Jr. was the son of neighbor and good friend of Prescott Bush. Was this failed assassination attempt a plot to remove Regan and get G.H.W. Bush into the presidency?

IMO - they are all link to Prescott Bush so if you want to know who was behind it all, the Bush family is looking awfully guilty.

[kaptn k]

Does anyone knows why Ruby killed Oswald?

I left this part out by accident.............Ruby killed Oswald to silence him, (of course) - Ruby's family must have gained something from it through either Nixon or Prescott Bush because he died in prison just a few years after Oswald's murder.

On a website dedicated to JFK's assassination there is a previously unpublished letter from J. Hoover (on the very day of JFK's murder) where Hoover states, Oswald is the lone gunman. Now, this conclusion is made only hours after Oswald's capture. No trial, no evidence, no jury conviction. Why would the head of the FBI be so quick to pin this crime on Oswald?

One has to question who was putting the pressure on Hoover. Who was powerful enough to make Hoover say such a thing and who would benefit from removing JFK?

Who had motive and when you put in additional information of whom is connected with whom you get a very clear answer.

Prescott Bush wanted Nixon to win the 1960 election, Prescott Bush (through his Nixon connection) got his son, George H.W. Bush, a job as head of the CIA under Nixon's administration. The man that tried to assassinate Ronald Regan, was the son of Prescott Bush's neighbor whom was very close friends with the Bush family.

I dunno, it couldn't have had anything to do with Prescott Bush could it? And if you haven't read already - Prescott Bush was implemented in an attempt to overthrow F.D.R. during WWII and was also caught, loaning money to the Nazi party pre- WWII through the bank he was in charge of.

The Bush family comes off as being very, very crooked if you ask me.

[The Skeptic Eric Raven]

Got to love ct's. Not.