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#811    docyabut2

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 10:27 AM

Sorry guys don`nt know why I`m sticking up for her, I guess maybe some of the jurers are thinking what if it were their daughter, and like the foremen said Jodi seems so child like to them. What Jodi did to Travis was a horriable crime and murder, and I guessing the next jury will most likely give her the DP.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 10:54 PM

A few hundred more Jodi Ariases in the news and creeps like Travis Alexander might learn how to treat their women with some respect.   Chinese women are notorious for cutting off the penis, another good attention grabber for a traitorous man-whore.  

It's like Ygritte said: "Don't ever betray me, Jon Snow.  Because if you do, I'll cut your pretty c*** off and wear it around my neck."   Nobody puts her in prison; she's a free woman, and should be.  And Jon?  He behaves quite well for it, even with his man-faucet still dangling there in need of constant service.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:40 AM

View Postblueberrycakes, on 25 May 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Jodi was a fully adult woman (late 20s) when she engaged in sexual acts with Travis.  She was old enough to consent. After they broke up, Travis made it clear that he just wanted a sexual relationship and she agreed to it. I don't see her a as a victim but a willing participant. If she didn't wanted to be used then she should have moved on to someone else who wanted a committed relationship with her.

I also have trouble viewing JA as a victim of abuse. There are thousands, maybe millions, of women in the US alone who can be documented as true sufferers of physical, sexual, mental and verbal abuse, and the overwhelming majority don't end up butchering their abusers. Many of them stay in the abusive relationship, many of them get it together to get out of the relationship without harming their abuser, some of them end up dead at the hands of the abuser, and some (very small number) do kill the abuser in self defense. In this last group, I never hear of any that use more deadly force than the minimum needed to stop an assault by the abuser. If a gun is used, for example, one or more bullets are fired at the aggressor. If a knife is used, a limited number of stab wounds are inflicted--only enough to subdue their attacker. How many of them find a need to stab the abuser 27 times, slit his throat ear to ear, then shoot him in the head for good measure. And if the abuser is not attacking, but taking a shower, why use force at all? Why not use the opportunity to get away and not come back? The abuse claim doesn't hold up.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:10 AM

View PostAaronsmom, on 30 May 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

I also have trouble viewing JA as a victim of abuse. There are thousands, maybe millions, of women in the US alone who can be documented as true sufferers of physical, sexual, mental and verbal abuse, and the overwhelming majority don't end up butchering their abusers. Many of them stay in the abusive relationship, many of them get it together to get out of the relationship without harming their abuser, some of them end up dead at the hands of the abuser, and some (very small number) do kill the abuser in self defense. In this last group, I never hear of any that use more deadly force than the minimum needed to stop an assault by the abuser. If a gun is used, for example, one or more bullets are fired at the aggressor. If a knife is used, a limited number of stab wounds are inflicted--only enough to subdue their attacker. How many of them find a need to stab the abuser 27 times, slit his throat ear to ear, then shoot him in the head for good measure. And if the abuser is not attacking, but taking a shower, why use force at all? Why not use the opportunity to get away and not come back? The abuse claim doesn't hold up.
Being betrayed or forsaken is probably harder to handle for an abuse victim than a mentally-strong partner (and not just women) in a relationship.   They don't get away for a myriad of cited reasons.   How many stab wounds are needed?   One?  Two?   Ten?   Where's the do-not-cross line on that?   Doesn't it depend?   Stopping an assault isn't relevant to the Jodi Arias murder, but that doesn't mean self defense wasn't.   I think Jodi believes that she was defending herself even if it was 99% mental (e.g. defending her heart, her pride, her self-worth) and that's why she cannot understand why what she did was wrong.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

I don't know how many stab wounds it takes to subdue an assailant, and yes, absolutely it would depend. But I do know almost 30 plunges of a long, sharp knife deep into a person's chest and back, with one wound severe enough to tear open the vena cava, on top of slashing the person's throat from ear to ear, and as a grand finale,  putting a bullet in the same person's head, far exceed necessary force in the name of self-defense.  

JA may or may not believe she was defending herself. Frankly, I don't care how she views herself.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:45 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 30 May 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

I don't know how many stab wounds it takes to subdue an assailant, and yes, absolutely it would depend. But I do know almost 30 plunges of a long, sharp knife deep into a person's chest and back, with one wound severe enough to tear open the vena cava, on top of slashing the person's throat from ear to ear, and as a grand finale,  putting a bullet in the same person's head, far exceed necessary force in the name of self-defense.  

JA may or may not believe she was defending herself. Frankly, I don't care how she views herself.
All the evidence suggests that this crime wasn't committed to subdue an assailant so that's not even relevant.   I don't know what you're trying to assert here.   That the wounds were mostly made post-mortem?   Has that been confirmed by expert testimonial in the trial?  

I wasn't commenting on how JA views herself but how she views killing TA.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 11:57 AM

I never suggested the wounds were made post-mortem. I'm saying only that the murder was extremely brutal, well beyond the force that would be necessary for a victim of abuse to defend herself against an attack, or to get away. So the so-called self-defense argument falls flat, and then some. If JA didn't need to protect herself from imminent harm then she had ample opportunity to get away. If she felt rejected when TA ended what they had, then she needed to put on her big-girl pants and get over it. We've all been there. You cry a lot and feel miserable for a while. Gradually, you get over it and move on. You don't go after who broke your heart and butcher him.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:02 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 30 May 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

The abuse claim doesn't hold up.

There's no reason those allegations of abuse should have held up because there was either no evidence, or no credible evidence to support any of them. It was a 'blame the victim' defense strategy which began with an absurd, truly pathetic, insult-to-ones-intelligence defense plea.
Re: physical abuse, we all know that that finger injury occurred on June 4th during the murder, and not during a previous episode of domestic violence! No, there was never physical abuse, but a plea of self-defense needs a foundation.

You and I and those female jurors who've spoken out all got it, but apparently, there were at least a few things that went over that jury foreman's head. It must have been those texts that he considered to be verbal and mental abuse.
Of course, I don't see them that way because those texts reflect Arias' behavior, not Alexanders. :whistle:


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:23 PM

Abusive texts? Oh please!! That's no justification for murder. I can't believe those jurors were taken in like that. Personally, I'm opposed to the DP. But to give a convicted killer a pass because the guy she killed talked nasty to her? That's pathetic. And lame.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:43 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 31 May 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

I never suggested the wounds were made post-mortem. I'm saying only that the murder was extremely brutal, well beyond the force that would be necessary for a victim of abuse to defend herself against an attack, or to get away. So the so-called self-defense argument falls flat, and then some. If JA didn't need to protect herself from imminent harm then she had ample opportunity to get away. If she felt rejected when TA ended what they had, then she needed to put on her big-girl pants and get over it. We've all been there. You cry a lot and feel miserable for a while. Gradually, you get over it and move on. You don't go after who broke your heart and butcher him.
It would appear she didn't have the mental fortitude to move on.

So for the hypothetical and posterity, where do you draw the line?   How much is too much?  What is one knife stroke too many to be considered self defense in your book?   Why is self defense and extremely brutal murder mutually exclusive?   If someone was attacking my mom, I might stab them 58 times and shoot them 24 times.  That's self defense and I'll wade through the court proceedings with an army of lawyers to prove it.   Now you're going to say that my circumstances are different, so therefore the brutality is not what makes the difference.  Therefore you need something else to follow your own logic to its conclusion.  You might backtrack now into other details in order to justify why I'm wrong about the Jodi Arias trial, but I'm not talking about that anymore.  I'm talking about the hypothetical person X.

I remember as a child my friend and I were out with our BB guns and he shot a squirrel like a fool.   The squirrel started flopping around in severe pain and we fired repeatedly to put it down and stop its suffering.  Ultimately I ran up with the blood still flying through the air from the flipping flopping squirrel and stomped on its head as hard as I could to put it out of its misery.   Someone's child witnessed the whole event and went home traumatized and told his dad about how extremely brutal I was, which got back to our parents who accepted our explanation.    Shooting it once would have probably been enough and according to our little observer, the more humane approach.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 04:35 AM

Is HLN's search I have been predicting for the next cute murderer finally come to an end?   Just look at that face, ladies!.  Clearly this isn't just any old murderer that nobody cares about.  This might just qualify....as an HLN murderer!   But this one is a male!  Is that even acceptable to the HLN audience?   They're busy test marketing the Seacat case daily.   Let's see how the audience who thrives on attractive young killers handle it...time will tell.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:46 PM

View PostYamato, on 05 June 2013 - 04:35 AM, said:

Is HLN's search I have been predicting for the next cute murderer finally come to an end?   Just look at that face, ladies!.  Clearly this isn't just any old murderer that nobody cares about.  This might just qualify....as an HLN murderer!   But this one is a male!  Is that even acceptable to the HLN audience?   They're busy test marketing the Seacat case daily.   Let's see how the audience who thrives on attractive young killers handle it...time will tell.

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Sorry Yam, but he's not a patch on  Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Wait 'til he gets to court! He's already got a fan base on FB.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:03 PM

The "formula" for how much is more than enough to subdue an aggressor is really very simple: in self-defense, one's only objective is to stop a direct assault so that one can get away with the least amount of injury. In some cases, only the death of the assailant can allow that. No one can ever convince me that it was necessary for JA to stab TA again and again with deep wounds to the chest and back AND to slit his throat so that he was nearly decapitated AND put a bullet into his head so she could get away from him in the course of an attack of her person. As to your comment that JA was unable to get over losing TA, tough. That is not a license to kill, to maim, or to butcher.

If your main issue is that JA should not be put to death, you have no argument with me. I feel life behind bars with no possibility of parole is sufficient. I do not lust for JA's death, and I am on record in this forum as having said I am sickened by the prosecution's absolute determination to settle for nothing other than JA's execution. But if you are in any way suggesting JA deserves less than a murder one conviction, I don't see it.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:20 AM

I have been following the Jodi Arias case for some time, but have only just thought to look for a  thread on it !!

Anyway, I do intend to read all of it, because stuff Ive read lately I want to be sure has not already been posted.

But I dont think this bit has been posted yet:

"Bee Gee Barry Gibb: I'm writing music about the Jodi Arias trial"

Barry Gibb, of the Bee Gees, is working on new music inspired by the highly controversial trial of Jodi Arias in America. The singer says he is writing a song about the case.

Arias was convicted in May of murdering her former boyfriend, Travis Alexander, a Mormon, in 2008 and faces a death sentence in Arizona. At the trial, which became a media circus, Arias claimed that she had killed the salesman in self-defence.

“What I am writing at the moment is a track about the Jodi Arias trial in America,” Gibb says. “The girl has been found guilty and is facing the death penalty. There will be at least one track about that – it has really struck me.”

http://www.telegraph...rias-trial.html

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:21 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 27 May 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

Sorry guys don`nt know why I`m sticking up for her, I guess maybe some of the jurers are thinking what if it were their daughter, and like the foremen said Jodi seems so child like to them. What Jodi did to Travis was a horriable crime and murder, and I guessing the next jury will most likely give her the



The jury foreman believed Travis was abusive to Jodi because of the MAY 26 TEXT and her lies about violence that never happened...what the jury was unaware of was the fact that between both of them there were 85,000 texts and emails. YES 85,000. The jury was given the worst of the worst.

I can't stand that anyone would feel Jodi was abused! She lied and lied and lied some more. 17 days of that sociopath ... I don't care if she gets the Death Penalty or Life Without Parole. However, she should never, ever be allowed to spew lies about Travis being a pedophile again. See, Jodi has slowly murdered Travis, little by little day by day, month by month year by year.  Not only did Jodi stab Travis 29 times, slit his throat and shoot him in the head...no, she then took every damn chance she had to drag him through the God awful mud. Travis' family has lived with this for 5 years and they deserve justice, for God's sake it's time.

I have never hated someone I didn't know until now. I invested so much emotion into this case and I never will again. And now Travis sleeps with Angels and will never feel pain again. And I wish for Jodi no peace, no warmth, no love, no more lies...it's time.


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