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#16    Capt Amerika

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:30 PM

Hard to take anything from Nostrodamus seriously.
I remember watching a special back in the early 80's i believe where they pointed to a quatrain that said the sky would burn at blah blah blah, indicating NYC was going to be nuked in 1999.
then 9/11 happened and everyone pointed to the same quatrain as evidence that he was right.
Sorry, but until he "predicts" something useful BEFORE it happens, the guy is a loser.
How people can continuously look to his writings for prophecy is beyond me.
Personally, i think people like to just be scared.
Look at all the people freaking out about Dec 21,2012.


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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:42 PM

View PostGrey14, on 25 July 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

thats true. And the poles will shift again. It is a cycle that the earth goes through. However that change happens over the course of thousands if not tens of thousands of years. It just doesnt happen overnight. And when it does shift there is no evidence that it will cause castotrophic effects.

http://en.wikipedia....gnetic_reversal

This is a great read an magnetic reversals:
http://www.eurekaler...c-mpr113011.php

I sit on the fence with Nostradamos. I just have no reason to make an opinion on him yet.
I do, however, put SOME faith in Edgar Cayce and his pole-shift thinking, via John White's book.

This is also a good read:
http://phys.org/news75725492.html
Planet Earth may have 'tilted' to keep its balance

August 25, 2006
Planet Earth may have 'tilted' to keep its balance August 25, 2006 Planet Earth may have 'tilted' to keep its balance Imagine a shift in the Earth so profound that it could force our entire planet to spin on its side after a few million years, tilting it so far that Alaska would sit at the equator. Princeton scientists have now provided the first compelling evidence that this kind of major shift may have happened in our world's distant past.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news75725492.html#jCp

Edited by regeneratia, 25 July 2012 - 04:49 PM.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:50 PM

View PostCapt Amerika, on 25 July 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

Hard to take anything from Nostrodamus seriously.
I remember watching a special back in the early 80's i believe where they pointed to a quatrain that said the sky would burn at blah blah blah, indicating NYC was going to be nuked in 1999.
then 9/11 happened and everyone pointed to the same quatrain as evidence that he was right.
Sorry, but until he "predicts" something useful BEFORE it happens, the guy is a loser.
How people can continuously look to his writings for prophecy is beyond me.
Personally, i think people like to just be scared.
Look at all the people freaking out about Dec 21,2012.

Deloros Cannon may have the answer to that one.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:05 PM

An interesting read on Nostrodamus.

Hint:  He ain't the guy you think he is.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4066

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:00 AM

View Postregeneratia, on 25 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

This is a great read an magnetic reversals:
http://www.eurekaler...c-mpr113011.php

I sit on the fence with Nostradamos. I just have no reason to make an opinion on him yet.
I do, however, put SOME faith in Edgar Cayce and his pole-shift thinking, via John White's book.

This is also a good read:
http://phys.org/news75725492.html
Planet Earth may have 'tilted' to keep its balance

August 25, 2006
Planet Earth may have 'tilted' to keep its balance August 25, 2006 Planet Earth may have 'tilted' to keep its balance Imagine a shift in the Earth so profound that it could force our entire planet to spin on its side after a few million years, tilting it so far that Alaska would sit at the equator. Princeton scientists have now provided the first compelling evidence that this kind of major shift may have happened in our world's distant past.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news75725492.html#jCp

Pole shift and earth tilt have nothing to do with each other. It even says as much in the article you posted.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:16 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 25 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:


I sit on the fence with Nostradamos. I just have no reason to make an opinion on him yet.
I do, however, put SOME faith in Edgar Cayce and his pole-shift thinking, via John White's book.


I have read on the internet that some people say that for the previous pole shift Edgar Cayce said there was a 180° shift and that for the next pole shift Edgar Cayce predicted either a 180°, 16°, or 17° shift.

90° - 17° = 73°

An angle of 17° measured from the core of the earth and utilising the lines of latitude with the North Pole located at 90° North latitude would put the new North Pole somewhere along the 73° North latitude radius.  This line of latitude passes through Canada, Greenland, and Russia.  On the internet people say that Edgar Cayce predicted a 17° pole shift into Russia or northern Russia.  Where exactly does Edgar Cayce predict this in his Readings?  I cannot find an original reference source for this.

John Van Auken’s article ‘Edgar Cayce’s Axis Pole Shift’ on the Edgar Cayce’s Association for Research and Enlightment (A.R.E.) website says that the North Pole used to point toward the star Thuban in the Draco constellation and that the North Pole shifted to its present location to point toward the star Polaris in the Ursa Minor constellation.  According to Van Auken this was a pole shift of 26°.

http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/blog.aspx?id=3030

90° - 26° = 64°

This means that the North Pole used to be located somewhere along the 64° North latitude radius.

John Van Auken says that in the next pole shift the North Pole will point toward the star Vega in the Lyra constellation.  According to Van Auken this will be a pole shift of 51°.

90° - 51° = 39°

This will put the North Pole somewhere along the 39° North latitude radius.

In Edgar Cayce’s pole shift predictions he said that “This is a gradual, not a cataclysmic, activity in the experience of the earth in this period.”  Perhaps the North Pole will first shift 17° to the 73° North latitude and then slowly, over a period of time, shift downward to the 39° North latitude.

Edited by leowh, 26 July 2012 - 05:18 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:19 PM

Wow, you have done some real thinking on this. I remain meek on this subject and cannot meet your level of math calculations. What I will do is follow this thread and read awhat you have to say.

I don't think I can help you iron out this issue. I am not equipt for it.

I have believed in Cayce's reflections for decades now. But I look at it from a more global aspect (not location but as applied to mental conception), at the macro level.
While I have been aware of Nostradamos for nearly all my life (Am 52), I have never invested emotional or mental effort into him and his quantrains.



View Postleowh, on 26 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I have read on the internet that some people say that for the previous pole shift Edgar Cayce said there was a 180° shift and that for the next pole shift Edgar Cayce predicted either a 180°, 16°, or 17° shift.

90° - 17° = 73°

An angle of 17° measured from the core of the earth and utilising the lines of latitude with the North Pole located at 90° North latitude would put the new North Pole somewhere along the 73° North latitude radius.  This line of latitude passes through Canada, Greenland, and Russia.  On the internet people say that Edgar Cayce predicted a 17° pole shift into Russia or northern Russia.  Where exactly does Edgar Cayce predict this in his Readings?  I cannot find an original reference source for this.

John Van Auken’s article ‘Edgar Cayce’s Axis Pole Shift’ on the Edgar Cayce’s Association for Research and Enlightment (A.R.E.) website says that the North Pole used to point toward the star Thuban in the Draco constellation and that the North Pole shifted to its present location to point toward the star Polaris in the Ursa Minor constellation.  According to Van Auken this was a pole shift of 26°.

http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/blog.aspx?id=3030

90° - 26° = 64°

This means that the North Pole used to be located somewhere along the 64° North latitude radius.

John Van Auken says that in the next pole shift the North Pole will point toward the star Vega in the Lyra constellation.  According to Van Auken this will be a pole shift of 51°.

90° - 51° = 39°

This will put the North Pole somewhere along the 39° North latitude radius.

In Edgar Cayce’s pole shift predictions he said that “This is a gradual, not a cataclysmic, activity in the experience of the earth in this period.”  Perhaps the North Pole will first shift 17° to the 73° North latitude and then slowly, over a period of time, shift downward to the 39° North latitude.


Edited by regeneratia, 26 July 2012 - 06:25 PM.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:20 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 26 July 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Pole shift and earth tilt have nothing to do with each other. It even says as much in the article you posted.

I don't get you.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 01:36 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 26 July 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

I don't get you.

You said:

Planet Earth may have 'tilted' to keep its balance August 25, 2006 Planet Earth may have 'tilted' to keep its balance Imagine a shift in the Earth so profound that it could force our entire planet to spin on its side after a few million years, tilting it so far that Alaska would sit at the equator. Princeton scientists have now provided the first compelling evidence that this kind of major shift may have happened in our world's distant past

The magnetic pole and physical equator of the earth have nothing to do with each other.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:19 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 26 July 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

Wow, you have done some real thinking on this. I remain meek on this subject and cannot meet your level of math calculations. What I will do is follow this thread and read awhat you have to say.


I’m trying to figure out where the North Pole will end up in the next pole shift.  The below information that I used to make my mathematical calculations is taken from Peter Thomson's discussions board on his website. Apparently he's a scientist in the U.K. His blog seems to be a dead post as one cannot reply to the posts and the last post shown was in 2006.

Some people think that Mount Kenya in East Africa will be a pivot point for the next pole shift and that Greenland will rotate to the equator along a line of longitude through Greenland.  I don’t know where this idea of Mount Kenya being a pivot point originates from though.  The pivot points will be the safest points since they will have the least rotation in a pole shift.  In the earth crustal displacement theory the crust of the earth would rotate as a whole over the liquid magma layer of the earth’s core.

From Wikipedia, Mount Kenya has coordinates 0° 9’ S, 37° 18’ E, or 0.15° S, 37.3° E.

180° - 37.3° = 142.7°

Its antipode pivot point would have coordinates 0.15° N, 142.7° W, which is located in the Pacific Ocean with the nearest land being the Marquesas Islands.

90° - 37.3° = 52.7°
90° + 37.3° = 127.3°

If Greenland rotates to the equator, it would need to rotate along the 52.7° W longitude, which passes through the west coast of Greenland.  The North Pole would then need to travel along the 127.3° E longitude, which passes through the Laptev Sea in northern Russia.

The North Pole is located at 90° N latitude and from Wikipedia, Greenland has coordinates 72° N, 40° W.

90° - 72° = 18°

In the earth crustal displacement theory if Greenland rotates a distance of 72° to the equator then the land on the other side of the hemisphere would need to rotate an equal distance to the North Pole.  This would put the new North Pole at coordinates 18° N, 127.3° E, which is located in the Philippine Sea.  Its antipode South Pole would then have coordinates 18° S, 52.7° W, which is located in the state of Goiás in Brazil.


http://www.peter-tho...onal axis shift

http://www.peter-tho...howdate=checked

Edited by leowh, 01 August 2012 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 03 August 2012 - 08:01 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 20 July 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

Literally meaningless. The magnetic poles have nothing to do with the equator.
Boom.

View Postleowh, on 01 August 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

I’m trying to figure out where the North Pole will end up in the next pole shift.  The below information that I used to make my mathematical calculations is taken from Peter Thomson's discussions board on his website. Apparently he's a scientist in the U.K. His blog seems to be a dead post as one cannot reply to the posts and the last post shown was in 2006.

Some people think that Mount Kenya in East Africa will be a pivot point for the next pole shift and that Greenland will rotate to the equator along a line of longitude through Greenland.  I don’t know where this idea of Mount Kenya being a pivot point originates from though.  The pivot points will be the safest points since they will have the least rotation in a pole shift.  In the earth crustal displacement theory the crust of the earth would rotate as a whole over the liquid magma layer of the earth’s core.

From Wikipedia, Mount Kenya has coordinates 0° 9’ S, 37° 18’ E, or 0.15° S, 37.3° E.

180° - 37.3° = 142.7°

Its antipode pivot point would have coordinates 0.15° N, 142.7° W, which is located in the Pacific Ocean with the nearest land being the Marquesas Islands.

90° - 37.3° = 52.7°
90° + 37.3° = 127.3°

If Greenland rotates to the equator, it would need to rotate along the 52.7° W longitude, which passes through the west coast of Greenland.  The North Pole would then need to travel along the 127.3° E longitude, which passes through the Laptev Sea in northern Russia.

The North Pole is located at 90° N latitude and from Wikipedia, Greenland has coordinates 72° N, 40° W.

90° - 72° = 18°

In the earth crustal displacement theory if Greenland rotates a distance of 72° to the equator then the land on the other side of the hemisphere would need to rotate an equal distance to the North Pole.  This would put the new North Pole at coordinates 18° N, 127.3° E, which is located in the Philippine Sea.  Its antipode South Pole would then have coordinates 18° S, 52.7° W, which is located in the state of Goiás in Brazil.


http://www.peter-tho...onal axis shift

http://www.peter-tho...howdate=checked

I don't quite think you understand the difference between poles. There are the north and south poles, then there are the magnetic poles. The "magnetic pole shift", which this is referring to, will have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the equator of the world. How can you not comprehend that? *sigh*.... :no:

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 12:36 AM

[I think the magnetic pole is headed into Russia and China. That is where it is headed right now. The shifts have moved my home closer to the equator, and I plant the yard and garden with that bias.

Keep thinking about this. Don't give it up.

The difference between us is that I think the pole shift will be gradual and not extreme in change.

View Postleowh, on 01 August 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

I’m trying to figure out where the North Pole will end up in the next pole shift.  The below information that I used to make my mathematical calculations is taken from Peter Thomson's discussions board on his website. Apparently he's a scientist in the U.K. His blog seems to be a dead post as one cannot reply to the posts and the last post shown was in 2006.

Some people think that Mount Kenya in East Africa will be a pivot point for the next pole shift and that Greenland will rotate to the equator along a line of longitude through Greenland.  I don’t know where this idea of Mount Kenya being a pivot point originates from though.  The pivot points will be the safest points since they will have the least rotation in a pole shift.  In the earth crustal displacement theory the crust of the earth would rotate as a whole over the liquid magma layer of the earth’s core.

From Wikipedia, Mount Kenya has coordinates 0° 9’ S, 37° 18’ E, or 0.15° S, 37.3° E.

180° - 37.3° = 142.7°

Its antipode pivot point would have coordinates 0.15° N, 142.7° W, which is located in the Pacific Ocean with the nearest land being the Marquesas Islands.

90° - 37.3° = 52.7°
90° + 37.3° = 127.3°

If Greenland rotates to the equator, it would need to rotate along the 52.7° W longitude, which passes through the west coast of Greenland.  The North Pole would then need to travel along the 127.3° E longitude, which passes through the Laptev Sea in northern Russia.

The North Pole is located at 90° N latitude and from Wikipedia, Greenland has coordinates 72° N, 40° W.

90° - 72° = 18°

In the earth crustal displacement theory if Greenland rotates a distance of 72° to the equator then the land on the other side of the hemisphere would need to rotate an equal distance to the North Pole.  This would put the new North Pole at coordinates 18° N, 127.3° E, which is located in the Philippine Sea.  Its antipode South Pole would then have coordinates 18° S, 52.7° W, which is located in the state of Goiás in Brazil.


http://www.peter-tho...onal axis shift

http://www.peter-tho...howdate=checked


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:50 PM

In Richard W. Noone’s 1986 book ‘5/5/2000:  Ice, the Ultimate Disaster’ (re-published 1997) and which is now out of print, there is a one-page blurb at the back of the book that says a group of American Freemasons plan to take their families on a plane and fly to an undisclosed pivot point when the time comes.  It is interesting that even back then there was a group of esoteric-thinking freemasons who took the pole shift seriously.



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Posted 23 August 2012 - 04:43 PM

Here’s another possible location for the new poles that I found on the internet.  It’s quite a cataclysmic scenario from the Zeta group.

Nancy Lieder claims to get her information through telepathic communication with a group of aliens from the Zeta Reticuli binary star system in the Reticulum constellation.  She has quite a large group of followers on her website.

Lieder has the new North Pole at 5° S, 29° W, which is located in the Atlantic Ocean off the north-eastern tip of Brazil, and the new South Pole at 10° N, 78° E, which is located in the state of Tamil Nadu in southern India.  These coordinates are not antipodes of each other.

Lieder claims that the Mid-Atlantic Ocean Rift will split wide open and that the Atlantic Ocean will widen.  The photo of her demonstration globe on her website shows the North American continental plate shifting a good couple of thousand kilometres to the west and that the Pacific Ocean will become compressed.

After all these continental plate movements, and the possible subduction of the Philippine plate and the Caribbean plate, her North Pole location and South Pole location will then become antipodes of each other.

http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/7-of-10-status-as-of-april-7

Edited by leowh, 23 August 2012 - 04:45 PM.


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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:29 PM

View Postleowh, on 23 August 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Here’s another possible location for the new poles that I found on the internet.  It’s quite a cataclysmic scenario from the Zeta group.

Nancy Lieder claims to get her information through telepathic communication with a group of aliens from the Zeta Reticuli binary star system in the Reticulum constellation.  She has quite a large group of followers on her website.

Lieder has the new North Pole at 5° S, 29° W, which is located in the Atlantic Ocean off the north-eastern tip of Brazil, and the new South Pole at 10° N, 78° E, which is located in the state of Tamil Nadu in southern India.  These coordinates are not antipodes of each other.

Lieder claims that the Mid-Atlantic Ocean Rift will split wide open and that the Atlantic Ocean will widen.  The photo of her demonstration globe on her website shows the North American continental plate shifting a good couple of thousand kilometres to the west and that the Pacific Ocean will become compressed.

After all these continental plate movements, and the possible subduction of the Philippine plate and the Caribbean plate, her North Pole location and South Pole location will then become antipodes of each other.

http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/7-of-10-status-as-of-april-7

here is the general track of the north magnetic pole over a 200 year period.  

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As you can see it's moving in the direction of Russia and not towards the Atlantic.  The magnetic poles have no effect on plate tectonics and so even if the north magnetic pole were to instantly move to where Nancy says it will move to, the mid Atlantic ridge would not split open and move continents.

What we have is a poor fiction story with a fictional basis of telepathic information from aliens on zeta reticuli.

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