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#1561    kumaran

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:16 PM

View Postuprize, on 17 January 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Wow psyche, I must applaud you for bothering to argue with Kumaran for this long. He is so blinded its hard to watch. Its like an Atheist trying to make a Christian not believe in God.
Its just that i so want it to be true but I have to accept the fact that Keshe is not interested in publicity. I wonder who is funding him and what their agenda is. I have given up trying to understand Keshe. He is so frustrating. I wont buy his books now he has shown his true colours as a vindictive person. I dont want to bother about him again.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 17 January 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

""Thanks to the Islamic Revolution, Iran has acquired the know-how to build submarines. No one believed that we would reach a point where we would build destroyers capable of carrying helicopters and missiles in the Sea of Oman and oceans … because it's a very difficult task to build destroyers and submarines."
So it's taken them 30 years to get to the stage to be able to build something reminiscent of Japanese mini subs from WWII? That sure says a lot for the progress in technology that the Islamic Revolution has brought about.
"The Sina 7 is reportedly capable of firing anti-ship missiles, which the Iranian government says is a centerpiece of its new defense strategy."
Would that be from that tube on the casing? Looks like the most you could expect to fire from that would be a mortar that you'd be lucky to get more than about 100 metres.
Still, interesting to see the hovercraft, presumably Russian.

Looks diesel powered judging by the size of the periscope.  Or could it be Keshe's miracle reactor powered.

I bet they have the worlds Navy's shaking in their boots with that.  Think of all the rubber dingy's they could take out with that.

Or it could be painted that colour as a covert weapon to sneak into swimming pools?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

If Keshe is a scam he must have hypnotic power to be able to convince thousands of people to join his forum and also to try to replicate his inventions. That is why I think there must be something to this. that it is real. The main reason I got into fringe science was because I want to get off the planet. This is turning out to be an addiction. Help me psyche.

Edited by kumaran, 17 January 2013 - 02:42 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:07 PM

View Postkumaran, on 17 January 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

If Keshe is a scam he must have hypnotic power to be able to convince thousands of people to join his forum and also to try to replicate his inventions. That is why I think there must be something to this. that it is real. The main reason I got into fringe science was because I want to get off the planet. This is turning out to be an addiction. Help me psyche.
how many members does the David Icke forum have, I wonder. Or the "Church" of Scientology? Or how many have bought von Däniken's tosh? There never seems to be any shortage of the gullible.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 17 January 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

how many members does the David Icke forum have, I wonder. Or the "Church" of Scientology? Or how many have bought von Däniken's tosh? There never seems to be any shortage of the gullible.
you are right. I better stop promoting Keshe.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:28 PM

View Postkumaran, on 17 January 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

If Keshe is a scam he must have hypnotic power to be able to convince thousands of people to join his forum and also to try to replicate his inventions. That is why I think there must be something to this. that it is real. The main reason I got into fringe science was because I want to get off the planet. This is turning out to be an addiction. Help me psyche.

I want to get off this planet as well.  Unfortunately the only way seems to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to proven commercial spaceship which I cannot afford.  I would love to believe in Keshe but I think you will find in time he is just a fraud.  Sad but unfortunately true, just imagine our dreams that could have come true.  Unfortunately he has failed every time to provide the scientific world with any proof.  I hope I am wrong, but he will string you believers along for years and you will believe it.

We need what he claims, the world needs it.  But he wont let us have it, why?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:57 PM

View Postskookum, on 17 January 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

I want to get off this planet as well.  Unfortunately the only way seems to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to proven commercial spaceship which I cannot afford.  I would love to believe in Keshe but I think you will find in time he is just a fraud.  Sad but unfortunately true, just imagine our dreams that could have come true.  Unfortunately he has failed every time to provide the scientific world with any proof.  I hope I am wrong, but he will string you believers along for years and you will believe it.

We need what he claims, the world needs it.  But he wont let us have it, why?
Yeah you are right. Keshe will never reveal his secret to the world. I better stop believing him.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:41 AM

I just cant figure out Keshes agenda. Can someone please explain as I don't see how he can be making money from this to fund the free education about his technology he wants to provide. Who is giving him the money to set up the server and so on. Please anyone. What does he gain from freely distributing his knowledge.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:41 AM

Money always finds a way to filter into the pockets of these such people,Always has,and will continue to until we stop thinking like we do ! :gun:  Greed drives this world.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:28 AM

View Postkumaran, on 18 January 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

I just cant figure out Keshes agenda. Can someone please explain as I don't see how he can be making money from this to fund the free education about his technology he wants to provide. Who is giving him the money to set up the server and so on. Please anyone. What does he gain from freely distributing his knowledge.
Yeah I have to get off this obsession with Keshe. But since I lost my job I have had only fringe science to occupy my time. I guess it is just a false hope that fringe science gives. But it is so much more attractive than reality and that is why I am so attracted to it. According to my horoscope I am going through a bad time due to Saturn. After 2014 it ends. Hopefully my obsession with fringe science will go with it. This obsession is leading me to lose money on worthless books on UFOs and free energy and antigravity. I really need to find something more productive to do in life than this fringe science. It is destroying my life. Science fiction and fringe science are addictive. You always need a fresh dose. i wouldn't advice anyone to dwell on such topics. It will lead you down the path of frustration and dissapointment.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:36 AM

View Postkumaran, on 17 January 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

I didnt donate much money. I wont be again. He has discarded me like a wet rag. A Bulgarian delegation recently visited him. They want to set up a foundation in their country here https://www.facebook...?ref=ts&fref=ts . So he must be telling the truth. They seemed impressed. Read the facebook page. I dont know how he convinces people. I wish I had his skills. I wish everyone came rushing to me for advice. I need to know his secret of success.
This is what they said
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about an hour ago
Event reports (13-15.01.2013): Meeting with Mr. Mehran Cash and Dirk Laurensens was a unique experience! We talked about the future, Cosmic Man, the universe as a living being and greatness of Persian culture, Zoroaster and Manes birth and historically linked to several ancient Bulgarian states. I sincerely thank Andy for help and started the process in Bulgaria! Thank Eliya that organize, balance and stimulation processes at a crucial moment! Thanks Pavel, that created the conditions for meeting perfectly. Dirk was the man who greeted us with a warm and adopted arms - it just would not be met, there would be no books and many other things. THANKS TO MR Mehran Keshe, which proved that in our time there are great thinkers, inventors and genius selfless HUMANITY change forever.

Mr. Mehran Keshe received us in the center of the foundation, smiling and friendly - just kidding with Dirk that there were skeptic who did not believe in the existence of the building where we go into. The meeting took place in the period 14.01.2013 8:00 p.m. to 2:00 pm 30 km. Brussels - Belgium.

The conversation started with the fact that I explained to Mr. Keshe, as if we were organized - about 5,000 people and we want to make real steps forward in the establishment of the Bulgarian branch of Keshe Fondation. He began to explain how the organization of the world center's in different countries in a very advanced stage and that the principle of the organization's total freedom and selfless ownership of any new technology and methods of science.

Began a very natural and rustic conversation about Bulgaria and its interesting and good memories of our state and nation. It turned out that not only often been in Bulgaria and has economic initiatives in the country - has helped our people in economic relations during the crisis after 1989, but even she knows, what we discussed in preliminary talks with Mr Mr. Dirk Laurensens - Iran (ancient Persia) are very deeply connected with the history of Bulgaria.

By the way, Dirk impressed the three of us, when we talked about his natural and interesting experiences with Mr. M.Keshe. Dirk studied social sciences, inventor creates a very interesting theory directly related to string theory, topology and philosophical vision of Holon (essence that is both full and part - very close to the vision of fractal geometry), and together with that of 14 - year deal with astrology. It is here interesting information exchanged - showed him the 3D model of the horoscope, and he told me good ideas.

Mr. Mehran Keshe, gave us advice on how to proceed and organize their work on the application of new ideas in Bulgaria. Then told us how the Italian group for a short time is able to repeat alone about 90% of magrav technology because Italy was keen on institutional and scientific work of Prof. M.Keshe.

Mr. M.Keshe showed us medical equipment foundation and explain how incredibly selfless and noble way people heal. Explained how his new physical theory to apply successfully to treat cancer and other serious diseases.
Then showed a concrete demonstration magnets that principle of wave-frequency phenomena are only available where there is physically manifested form and process, but a more subtle level, the level of expression of plasma-resonance frequency and objects stop be important (this should not reflect the conventional understanding of what a plasma, and the new insights generated by it).

Mr. Mehran Keshe is a great humanist sincerely want world peace and a manifestation of noble and harmonious relations between peoples. We recommend to read the speech of the Iranian president at the UN, where the president personally talks about new ideas and technologies M.Keshe. When I asked him, according to his personal observations to certain space objects are visible changes. He told us that our galaxy is a real community of highly advanced, moral, spiritual and technological civilizations, and he creates his physical theory and technology, contemplates the galaxy as a living being. This makes me happy because it is completely covered with my point with the ancient esoteric ideas that I have learned from the Bulgarian-Christian Esoteric School. Share with us and told us in detail that in the very near future there will be an extremely important and interesting news Keshe Fondation and would be happy to come to Bulgaria to be meeting with people in our bright people to deliver lectures on the latest ideas and technologies ."



Hi kumuran

It seems a bit funny that this would be announced on face book, and not in the news? Are we sure the story is true?

Also, this bit quite caught me by surprise:


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just kidding with Dirk that there were skeptic who did not believe in the existence of the building where we go into.

We seem to not be the only ones who suspect Keshe has either an empty building, or possibly only pictures of one. I wonder who else thought this, and if they thought this for the same reasons we did?

Most interesting.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:39 AM

View Postkumaran, on 17 January 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

You are right. I am done with fringe science for a while. I will stick with science fiction. I will also look into solar. If Keshe is for real and I hope he is eventually  with all the different countries setting up branches of the Keshe foundation the technology will reach me anyway. So why put in the effort to study it. I will just as well leave it alone and allow others to do the work for me.

There are many good resources to learn about Solar online, and if you have any questions, I will do my best to help.

I hope you do have a good read on Solar kumuran, it might be a new line of work for you. We will always need people who know how to put a solar system together. It's a good thing to learn. I believe in you, and that you can do it. You have put more effort into following Keshe than I have seen some people put into working on solar. I think you would be a good and valuable worker with your determined attitude.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:56 AM

View Postuprize, on 17 January 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Wow psyche, I must applaud you for bothering to argue with Kumaran for this long. He is so blinded its hard to watch. Its like an Atheist trying to make a Christian not believe in God.

Mate, I canot help it. I have taken quite a liking to kumuran. With most people who run with fringe I tend to get into some heated arguments, but because kumran had some problems to get over, I took it slow, and found, he's a top bloke. I would buy him a beer any day of the week. In fact, I think that whilst the science he dabbles in may not be kosher, I think he is light years in front of people like zoser and noidea. kumuran and I have managed to get frustrated with each other, but it is always a storm in a teacup. It is a passion about technologies, and I cannot blame him one bit for that. He has taken more points on board than I ever expected, and I understand his position. He wants this so bad he can taste it. And I do not blame him, in fact I think that attitude is in a way remarkable, in that he cares about the planet, and the people. That is to be commended. And this is the sort of kindness that can blind a person to charlatans like Keshe and Rossi. These guys are promising to give the world the answer kumran seeks. That makes their job so much easier. They can prey on hope. kumran is not credulous, he is merely hopeful, and perhaps lacking a little experience. And he says so himself, I mean, it's hard to not like someone so humble.

kumran has brought links, he has honourably stuck by his word, and he brought what he could from the keshe forum. From day one, he always stated his technical abilities might let him down, and who can blame anyone for that. We all have to start someplace, and kumran has been honest about his starting point. Just something else I admire about him.

I do not think it is religion to kumran, I think it is his highest hope.  And I think he must be a good person inside to worry so deeply about the fate of the planet. I cannot stay mad at kumuran, in fact, whilst my arguments are firm, all I can say about kumuran is that I like him as a person, and as a poster despite having different views. And he listens to what I have to say, and offers good conversation. I cannot ask for more than that from anyone here.

He's OK in my book ;)

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:00 AM

View Postkumaran, on 17 January 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

If Keshe is a scam he must have hypnotic power to be able to convince thousands of people to join his forum and also to try to replicate his inventions. That is why I think there must be something to this. that it is real. The main reason I got into fringe science was because I want to get off the planet. This is turning out to be an addiction. Help me psyche.

Mate. just let me know what I can do. Have you read about Project Orion? It is still to date as far as I know the best idea to get to the stars. And we have had the plans since the early 60's.

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Have you had a look at Solar, can I help with any questions?

Edited by psyche101, 18 January 2013 - 08:01 AM.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:05 AM

View Postkumaran, on 18 January 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

I just cant figure out Keshes agenda. Can someone please explain as I don't see how he can be making money from this to fund the free education about his technology he wants to provide. Who is giving him the money to set up the server and so on. Please anyone. What does he gain from freely distributing his knowledge.

Lots of hopeful people like you who care if the planet exists or not. Remember, Dick Smith was willing to give Rossi a million dollars, just to see a generator work, and never open it up. The way to make money is not to sell one big thing, the way to make money is to sell lots of little things - like hope to many people. That is how Ronald McDonald got rich! Lots of little things.......

A server might be donated by a keshe member, in any case, it is a small investment for what can be gained.

You have to wonder, if he is getting these donations, why are the team working with second hand house bricks for insulation.

Edited by psyche101, 18 January 2013 - 08:05 AM.

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