World control by The Man (Rothschild etc)

[The Id3al Experience]

Hello fellow UMers,

I don't spend much time here, because im not much of a conspiracy man, however lately a friend of mine has been fascinated about the Rothschild family and there connection to many nasty things in this world, past and present.

Pretty much the short version is this.

- Rothschild family have been responsible and/or the funder of every war since Neoplean war.

- They own the media.

- They own the government

Now for the more crazy aspects of this theory:

- They are using brainwashed 'role models' (Actors, Actresses, Politicians) to manipulate us.(tell us how to think, watch, wear etc) I think she was referring to the MKUltra trials. which apprently doesnt run now - however she thinks it does, and most of the above people are under the influence of this. (using symoblisim of a monarch butterfly we can determine who has been through this apprently - any comments?)

- They have technology that we think isnt we are only 'starting to think is possible' (Human cloning, consciousness moving - to another body/machine)

- They are using symbolism to brainwash us (to a small degree) kind of like the Illuminati symbolism (pyramids etc)

I did a search for Rothschild and a few things came up - but I wanted to discuss the above topics raised.

please discuss this and share there views.

Edited March 8, 2015 by The Id3al Experience

[Professor Buzzkill]

Hello fellow UMers,

I don't spend much time here, because im not much of a conspiracy man, however lately a friend of mine has been fascinated about the Rothschild family and there connection to many nasty things in this world, past and present.

Pretty much the short version is this.

- Rothschild family have been responsible and/or the funder of every war since Neoplean war.

- They own the media.

- They own the government

Now for the more crazy aspects of this theory:

- They are using brainwashed 'role models' (Actors, Actresses, Politicians) to manipulate us.(tell us how to think, watch, wear etc) I think she was referring to the MKUltra trials. which apprently doesnt run now - however she thinks it does, and most of the above people are under the influence of this. (using symoblisim of a monarch butterfly we can determine who has been through this apprently - any comments?)

- They have technology that we think isnt we are only 'starting to think is possible' (Human cloning, consciousness moving - to another body/machine)

- They are using symbolism to brainwash us (to a small degree) kind of like the Illuminati symbolism (pyramids etc)

I did a search for Rothschild and a few things came up - but I wanted to discuss the above topics raised.

please discuss this and share there views.

Wow. A lot to digest there. Being familiar with this section, don't expect much reasoned debate (do however expect insults and emotive responses).

Firstly, the Rothschild family are disgusting (historically provable) with a few examples here:

Jekyll Island meeting 1910: Meeting to establish the Federal Reserve (a private bank) as the only bank able to produce American currency.

Attendees: 1. Nelson W. Aldrich, Republican "whip" in the Senate, Chairman of the National Monetary Commission, business associate of J.P. Morgan, father-in-law to John D. Rockefeller, Jr.;

2. Abraham Piatt Andrew, Assistant Secretary of the United States Treasury;

3. Frank A. Vanderlip, president of the National City Bank of New York, the most powerful of the banks at that time,representing William Rockefeller and the international investment banking house of Kuhn, Loeb & Company;

4. Henry P. Davison, senior partner of the J.P Morgan Company;

5. Charles D. Norton, president of J.P. Morgan's First National Bank ofNew York;

6. Benjamin Strong, head of J.P. Morgan's Bankers Trust Company;and

7. Paul M. Warburg, a partner in Kuhn, Loeb & Company, a representative of the Rothschild banking dynasty in England and France, and brother to Max Warburg who was head of the Warburg banking consortium in Germany and the Netherlands.

http://www.orwelltod...slandbook.shtml

Napoleonic war: Rothschild family had their own representative with Wellington at Waterloo. Their representative came home before the official word got back to London that Wellington had defeated Napoleon. People knew Nathan Rothschild had a leg up in terms of military information and he was a "market leader" in todays terms. Nathan, though knowing full well England and her allies had won, acted as if Wellington had lost and started selling shares/stock at reduced prices. People followed, and before long the market was in free-fall. Nathan then brought everything he could at the reduced prices and greatly increased his wealth at the expense of others. While you might say that this was "smart business" it shows a complete lack of integrity and morals and probably cost countless people their jobs/wages.

http://www.rense.com...eral81/3juu.htm

As to whether the Rothschild's own the world, i have no doubt that their many subsidiary family lines still control the vast majority of global wealth (and therefore political influence that comes with it). Some quotes from Washington's leaders may help you see this:

"There is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." — President Woodrow Wilson in his book when speaking about members of government.

http://www.whale.to/b/quotes_m.html

Quote from George Washington

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

http://quotes.libert...gton_quote_b726

So we have quotations from the most powerful people in government at the time saying that there was a more powerful entity behind other representatives.

In regards to the Media, were you aware that 90% of all media and entertainment are controlled by 6 corporations and only 23 media executives? To put that into perspective, one meeting room could hold ALL the people between citizens and the truth. Now, who controls the meeting room?

As for mind controlling celebrities, i don't think you would need to (although i acknowledge the abundance of symbolism portrayed) as society is very self regulating. Monkey see, monkey do. There is absolutely no doubt that MKUltra existed and i doubt it was discontinued, but i do doubt the speculation that every celebrity that toes the line is a victim.

As for brainwashing- i think it is possible in subtle ways by helping to shape public opinion as to what is "crazy" and what isn't. If you can label conspiracy theorists "crazy" then the public will dismiss what they have to say without considering it in any way.

So i think your friend might be able to teach us a thing or two, try and encourage them to join in the conversation here. I could always use a ally in this close minded section(could that be said about all sections?) of the site.

Edited March 9, 2015 by Professor Buzzkill

[Rlyeh]

How does fashion trends "brainwash" people?

The Vigilant Citizen makes very similar claims, they start from an unsupported premise and work on from there, "symbol is satanic, singer/actor/etc uses symbol, therefore singer/actor is brainwashed". No surprise they're Christian Fundamentalists.

[Professor Buzzkill]

How does fashion trends "brainwash" people?

The Vigilant Citizen makes very similar claims, they start from an unsupported premise and work on from there, "symbol is satanic, singer/actor/etc uses symbol, therefore singer/actor is brainwashed". No surprise they're Christian Fundamentalists.

What fashion trends?

[Rlyeh]

What fashion trends?

- They are using brainwashed 'role models' (Actors, Actresses, Politicians) to manipulate us.(tell us how to think, watch, wear etc) I think she was referring to the MKUltra trials. which apprently doesnt run now - however she thinks it does, and most of the above people are under the influence of this. (using symoblisim of a monarch butterfly we can determine who has been through this apprently - any comments?)

- They have technology that we think isnt we are only 'starting to think is possible' (Human cloning, consciousness moving - to another body/machine)

- They are using symbolism to brainwash us (to a small degree) kind of like the Illuminati symbolism (pyramids etc)

[The Id3al Experience]

Wow. A lot to digest there. Being familiar with this section, don't expect much reasoned debate (do however expect insults and emotive responses).

Firstly, the Rothschild family are disgusting (historically provable) with a few examples here:

Jekyll Island meeting 1910: Meeting to establish the Federal Reserve (a private bank) as the only bank able to produce American currency.

Attendees: 1. Nelson W. Aldrich, Republican "whip" in the Senate, Chairman of the National Monetary Commission, business associate of J.P. Morgan, father-in-law to John D. Rockefeller, Jr.;

2. Abraham Piatt Andrew, Assistant Secretary of the United States Treasury;

3. Frank A. Vanderlip, president of the National City Bank of New York, the most powerful of the banks at that time,representing William Rockefeller and the international investment banking house of Kuhn, Loeb & Company;

4. Henry P. Davison, senior partner of the J.P Morgan Company;

5. Charles D. Norton, president of J.P. Morgan's First National Bank ofNew York;

6. Benjamin Strong, head of J.P. Morgan's Bankers Trust Company;and

7. Paul M. Warburg, a partner in Kuhn, Loeb & Company, a representative of the Rothschild banking dynasty in England and France, and brother to Max Warburg who was head of the Warburg banking consortium in Germany and the Netherlands.

http://www.orwelltod...slandbook.shtml

Napoleonic war: Rothschild family had their own representative with Wellington at Waterloo. Their representative came home before the official word got back to London that Wellington had defeated Napoleon. People knew Nathan Rothschild had a leg up in terms of military information and he was a "market leader" in todays terms. Nathan, though knowing full well England and her allies had won, acted as if Wellington had lost and started selling shares/stock at reduced prices. People followed, and before long the market was in free-fall. Nathan then brought everything he could at the reduced prices and greatly increased his wealth at the expense of others. While you might say that this was "smart business" it shows a complete lack of integrity and morals and probably cost countless people their jobs/wages.

http://www.rense.com...eral81/3juu.htm

As to whether the Rothschild's own the world, i have no doubt that their many subsidiary family lines still control the vast majority of global wealth (and therefore political influence that comes with it). Some quotes from Washington's leaders may help you see this:

"There is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." — President Woodrow Wilson in his book when speaking about members of government.

http://www.whale.to/b/quotes_m.html

Quote from George Washington

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

http://quotes.libert...gton_quote_b726

So we have quotations from the most powerful people in government at the time saying that there was a more powerful entity behind other representatives.

In regards to the Media, were you aware that 90% of all media and entertainment are controlled by 6 corporations and only 23 media executives? To put that into perspective, one meeting room could hold ALL the people between citizens and the truth. Now, who controls the meeting room?

As for mind controlling celebrities, i don't think you would need to (although i acknowledge the abundance of symbolism portrayed) as society is very self regulating. Monkey see, monkey do. There is absolutely no doubt that MKUltra existed and i doubt it was discontinued, but i do doubt the speculation that every celebrity that toes the line is a victim.

As for brainwashing- i think it is possible in subtle ways by helping to shape public opinion as to what is "crazy" and what isn't. If you can label conspiracy theorists "crazy" then the public will dismiss what they have to say without considering it in any way.

So i think your friend might be able to teach us a thing or two, try and encourage them to join in the conversation here. I could always use a ally in this close minded section(could that be said about all sections?) of the site.

Thank you for your response Professor, I was hoping people like yourself commented.

I have tried to get her to join and I think she is considering it

[The Id3al Experience]

Its psychological and not really seen at face value. Making you think you are 'cool' for looking this way, makes people that arnt like that weak or poor or whatever, putting pressure on people to conform.

Also, not to mention - the money you make off making people think you need this or that.

Its subtle, but it works... look at how fashion is today.... over the top and unnessassary. $1000.00 for a name on a tshirt. Stupidity.

It plays huge psychological pressure on people to be something they are not..

[The Id3al Experience]

Professor buzz. What are your thoughts on the symbolic messages in the pop star vids? Mainly masonic symbols. Is there something there? What is its purpose etc. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Ps. I think my friend will be joining tomorrow

[Rlyeh]

Its psychological and not really seen at face value. Making you think you are 'cool' for looking this way, makes people that arnt like that weak or poor or whatever, putting pressure on people to conform.

Passing the buck. Has nothing to do with the Rothschilds, Satanism, Illuminati, etc.

Also, not to mention - the money you make off making people think you need this or that.

Its subtle, but it works... look at how fashion is today.... over the top and unnessassary. $1000.00 for a name on a tshirt. Stupidity.

Choosing to what to spend *your* money on is brainwashing?

It plays huge psychological pressure on people to be something they are not..

Perhaps, if their life is already so meaningless and uneventful.

[Rafterman]

Hello fellow UMers,

I don't spend much time here, because im not much of a conspiracy man, however lately a friend of mine has been fascinated about the Rothschild family and there connection to many nasty things in this world, past and present.

Pretty much the short version is this.

- Rothschild family have been responsible and/or the funder of every war since Neoplean war.

- They own the media.

- They own the government

Now for the more crazy aspects of this theory:

- They are using brainwashed 'role models' (Actors, Actresses, Politicians) to manipulate us.(tell us how to think, watch, wear etc) I think she was referring to the MKUltra trials. which apprently doesnt run now - however she thinks it does, and most of the above people are under the influence of this. (using symoblisim of a monarch butterfly we can determine who has been through this apprently - any comments?)

- They have technology that we think isnt we are only 'starting to think is possible' (Human cloning, consciousness moving - to another body/machine)

- They are using symbolism to brainwash us (to a small degree) kind of like the Illuminati symbolism (pyramids etc)

I did a search for Rothschild and a few things came up - but I wanted to discuss the above topics raised.

please discuss this and share there views.

All of this is fairly easily debunked. Wealthy family - most certainly. Controllers of the world - hardly.

[Mr.United_Nations]

this website is media and its controlled by the Mods, so does that make the website controlled by Rothschield?

[The Id3al Experience]

All of this is fairly easily debunked. Wealthy family - most certainly. Controllers of the world - hardly.

If so, please provide evidences if easily debunked?

[The Id3al Experience]

this website is media and its controlled by the Mods, so does that make the website controlled by Rothschield?

Straw man

[The Id3al Experience]

I haven't myself looked into this too much, I did now about the banking system and it was the government to agree to such a scheme, but didn't understand their ties to wars and all nature resources on the planet.

Also although I have heard about the symbolism used in videos etc, and have come across some forums about it here, I have always passed it off as a coincidence and/or that the symbols are cool looking and using them may be for shock value, however the more I hear about it, it seems to be everywhere - Looking forward to Buzzkills Ideas on this one.

Iv presented a argument and wanted feedback.

I will possibly look into this more as I have the time.

Thank you for those that have contributed so far

[Rafterman]

If so, please provide evidences if easily debunked?

Dude, just Google it - Rothschild debunked. You do do the Googles, right?

[The Id3al Experience]

Dude, just Google it - Rothschild debunked. You do do the Googles, right?

I do indeed, but you have a counter argument and thus should cite references. I do admit my failure in doing so in the OP, however as I said this is information I have heard via third party, and have not looked into most theory. Which I intend to do, I just wanted peoples thoughts and feedback, hoping in an actual debate, people present evidences for me to ponder and study.

You do now how debates work, right?

[The Id3al Experience]

This is one cite iv just read regarding the debunking of the Rothschild. I will look further, thanks people.

http://www.icke-exposed.co.uk/rothschild-myths/rothschild-myths-debunked-100/

[Professor Buzzkill]

Professor buzz. What are your thoughts on the symbolic messages in the pop star vids? Mainly masonic symbols. Is there something there? What is its purpose etc. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Ps. I think my friend will be joining tomorrow

Firstly, i am not a specialist on secret societies, so i can only speculate.

My believe is that it is a distraction. If someone raised the illuminati with a youngster these days their response would be "Oh, those rappers/Rihanna/Katy perry (etc)?" depending on their music choices. If they heard that the illuminati had taken over the world, they wouldn't believe pop stars could have so much influence.

Case in point is this interview from the UK with Bieber:

(I know 2 mins of listening to him isn't ideal, but it's a good example of who are perceived to be "Illuminati")

So the elite now have the masses thinking the "Illuminati" is not a Bavarian Order set up to infiltrate government organizations, but a group of entertainers and influential affluent "Hollywood types".

These people may actually believe they are in the "illuminati" but they are most likely just (to steal a phrase from Lenin) "Useful Idiots". They serve a purpose of distraction and deception, which could be argued as very valuable to an organization that wants it's real business to remain secret.

What do you think?

[theotherguy]

My thoughts: The Rothschilds are an incredibly wealthy family. They are not as wealthy as the Walton family, owners of Wal-Mart and Sam's Club, who have no Illuminati theories attached to them that I know of, beyond workplace ethical problems. The focus is on the Rothschilds because they were openly Jewish at a time when that particular religion was a low point in popularity, and they managed to retain their position and wealth. As for the Illuminati as a whole, I do believe that world political, industrial, and economic leaders regularly make secret plans for the future. I do not believe that they are always acting in concert, that their ultimate goal is world control, or that their plans extend more than a couple of decades at the absolute most, let alone centuries.

[The Id3al Experience]

Firstly, i am not a specialist on secret societies, so i can only speculate.

My believe is that it is a distraction. If someone raised the illuminati with a youngster these days their response would be "Oh, those rappers/Rihanna/Katy perry (etc)?" depending on their music choices. If they heard that the illuminati had taken over the world, they wouldn't believe pop stars could have so much influence.

Case in point is this interview from the UK with Bieber:

(I know 2 mins of listening to him isn't ideal, but it's a good example of who are perceived to be "Illuminati")

So the elite now have the masses thinking the "Illuminati" is not a Bavarian Order set up to infiltrate government organizations, but a group of entertainers and influential affluent "Hollywood types".

These people may actually believe they are in the "illuminati" but they are most likely just (to steal a phrase from Lenin) "Useful Idiots". They serve a purpose of distraction and deception, which could be argued as very valuable to an organization that wants it's real business to remain secret.

What do you think?

Makes sense to me. This part of the theory is 'out there' for me so its good to get others opinion.

Im at work will have to watch the Video latter.

Buzzkill, are you familiar with freemantv? iv yet to find the time to go through his cite, but is the first cite to get my friend interested in the idea. Any thoughts? Beware, some of the theories are quite.... well... interesting. I still need to find the time to research more - ehhh LIFE... lol I quick its part of the plan? keep me busy so I dont find out hahahah

Cheers Buzz.

Edited March 9, 2015 by The Id3al Experience

[Likely Guy]

Keep in mind that so many of the Rothschilds conspiracy theories are anti-semitic in nature, and have been promulgated by the same.

Id3al, the next time you see your 'friend', ask her about her opinions on Zionism. When she goes overboard, you know she's drank the Kool-Aid.

Edit: Better yet, ask her opinion about the 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion',

I'd be very interested in her response.

Edited March 10, 2015 by Likely Guy

[Rlyeh]

(I know 2 mins of listening to him isn't ideal, but it's a good example of who are perceived to be "Illuminati")

Sorry but where does he talk about the illuminati?

[Rafterman]

I do indeed, but you have a counter argument and thus should cite references. I do admit my failure in doing so in the OP, however as I said this is information I have heard via third party, and have not looked into most theory. Which I intend to do, I just wanted peoples thoughts and feedback, hoping in an actual debate, people present evidences for me to ponder and study.

You do now how debates work, right?

Who said I was debating anything? The last thing I want to get involved in around here is another circuitous 10,15,20+ page thread on the Rothschild family - hint, it's already been done several times and I've participated in them. No need to rehash it all.

If you are interested in the facts about the family, they are out there.

[TheSpoon]

The worlds central banks control every aspect of our lives. Our current system is fiat, and easily manipulated. The power to create poverty, strife, war and prosperity is real.

Who has stood up to this worldwide economic monopoly? Abraham Lincoln, Adolf Hitler, Saddam, Gadhafi, JFK and every country who has ever been communist.

Who controls the central banks?

[TheSpoon]

Oh and 1 year prior to the united states signing over its own right to print its currency to a private and profitable country ( hurts my head as well, good morning , the titanic sank taking with it prominate american bankers.

I enjoy Henry Fords views, not necessarily the antisemitics (Judaism is a respectful guide for life), but I digress for now.

*Private and profitable company