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#121    Etu Malku

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:18 AM

:devil: LMAO!! Wow . . . thank god for God!!
I must have missed the Ark when it left, because I sat and meditated, was a vegetarian, gained two black belts, found the Satanic Bible under our newly moved in house in the suburbs of New Jersey, was a regional wrestling champ for three years and a State champ for one . . .  from the age of 8 - 16
Then I found the guitar and spent the next 30 years becoming a musician and eventually a hired gun, touring the world with many famous artists, doing copious amounts of drugs, enjoying the carnal spoils that Life presents you when in the world of Dionysus and Pan.

Around 45 I left it all, cleaned up, and immersed myself fulltime into the occult (which I had dabbled in here and there previously).
I own outright two beautiful homes, one high on the cliffs of the Hudson River, the best family you could ask for, extremely hot wife, both of my son's college funds paid in full, I am fully retired without a worry.

I thank MYSELF for this, not any god, if I were to, it would be Satan, Set, or Lucifer . . . certainly not the Abrahamic god.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 26 November 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Mr Walker sir,
you say " And anyone who rejects its benefits will always be more limited than if they accpeted its benefits", in your opinion! you can not say this unless you know about the life of a non believer. I do not believe in god and do not find myself limited at all, in fact, the complete opposite.
As a non believer i am not committed to a cult, which gives me more time to commit to what is important to me, my family, life and nature.
I can not claim to have read books at the age of 2, I may have chewed more than you read though, but it did not stopping me from enjoying my life. Children should be children and I can not see the point in reading all the books in the library while you are a child, whats the point? The only books in the library I have read are books that interest me, other books which were of interest I bought. :sk
the first book i ever took out of the library was Puss In Boots. i think i was around five
i thought it had the most wonderful illustrations!
i still remember that book fondly and i don't feel cheated that it wasn't the encyclopedic edition


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:10 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 26 November 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Mr Walker sir,
you say " And anyone who rejects its benefits will always be more limited than if they accpeted its benefits", in your opinion! you can not say this unless you know about the life of a non believer. I do not believe in god and do not find myself limited at all, in fact, the complete opposite.
As a non believer i am not committed to a cult, which gives me more time to commit to what is important to me, my family, life and nature.
I can not claim to have read books at the age of 2, I may have chewed more than you read though, but it did not stopping me from enjoying my life. Children should be children and I can not see the point in reading all the books in the library while you are a child, whats the point? The only books in the library I have read are books that interest me, other books which were of interest I bought. :sk
I was a non believer for the first 22 years of my life. I know just what it is like, and logically, when you add something to the human condition you gain something from it  Thus a life with a spiritual element is more than a life without it.  My family, life and nature environment, and my work with other people are the most important things to me  as well. I dont beling to a religion or go to a church.

If you are not a reader and dont understand the value of books, then i cant explain it to you. But books open the world; past present and future to a person. As mark tawin said "a man who can read but does not, remains as ignorant as a man who cannot read.'
Every part of the human condition has already been written down in books which any reader can read. I lived in a small country town but as a child i could read books about imperial russia,  genghis khan, the napoleonic wars, victorian romance,  scotland yard, the wars of the 20th century, dickensian england  arthurian tales not to mention westerns and science fiction.

I learned  and had reinforced, the meaning and value of honesty, honour, loyalty, comradeship, love and courage, from the great  books. By the time i went to school i already knew more history geopgraphy literature  etc than some of my teachers and eventually i went on to become an english, history, and geography teacher myself. The ignorance of so many humans saddens me, in an age where information is so readily accesible. I have a blog called book nook on this site, where i review books. I haven't had time to write for it lately, but its available  for anyone to read about some of the books I read.
Finally reading is both a social pleasure and an indicator of succes at school. My mother and grandmother read to me every night from birth until i was able to follow along and read for myself. They were some of the most happy and loved memories of childhood,  and shaped the man i would become.

One further point. In books you can find how to do anything. From reading fiction books alone i learned how to make gunpowder and other explosive mixes as a child, and the chemicals to use as timing devices. I learned how to make many forms of weapons from cross bows to longbows  and also how to cook different recipes, and  make model aeroplanes with engines which flew and were wire controlled.  I learned codes, invisible ink and how to make many toys and play things like skate boards (Before they were commercially available). i learned military strategies, and how to romance a woman. I learned how to use flying butresses, service a car or motorbike engine, design a bridge and fix a windmill, or string a farm fence. How to build a goldfish pond that doesn't leak, and how to build a properly engineered extension to a house.

You probably get the general idea.

Edited by Mr Walker, 27 November 2012 - 02:35 PM.

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Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:17 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 26 November 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

I began to read at 23 months old..   By the time I was 2 and a half, I could spell and write..   When I reached 4, I made it into Mensa.  I was driving a moped scooter at the age of 5 down the freeway .......   I was running the family business at the age of 6 .. I was visited by what I thought were angels, and they told me I was going to be gods vessel on earth when I was 9 going on 10   I can not only read books, but god gave me the gift to read minds too ..I was hooked up to a computer and it couldn't keep up with me, so it blew up..
God made it possible for me to fly into space without the help of NASA....I was working for the CIA at 12...I have inspired many great minds, they just can't get enough of my talents, because I have so many .. I invented all the flashy gadgets  you see on Star Trek when I was 7.... I am still gods vessel, I just wait until he is ready for me  lol   ....  Oh my, that was fun to post :P

My daughter was going on 4 years old when she began to read.. She loves to read all sorts of books.. She loves going to the book fair and is a member of a book club..  Her room is full of books   ( childrens books )  She has more books than I can shake a stick at..  Her book case in her bedroom is packed with them, and we have to find her another bookcase for the rest that are all over the place.. Beckys books range from  -  Dairy of a wimpy kid  to kids astronomy   She loves every bit of it, but she enjoys playing and going to her friends house..

Why did it take you to five to ride the moped?

Otherwise, you see, I knew there were others like me. :devil: Thank you for coming out at last. :rofl:

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:38 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 27 November 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Why did it take you to five to ride the moped?

Because I was busy teaching men and women how to fly planes  from the age of 4 - 5... Once I done all that, I fancied a rest, so I took to my moped, and went cruising the freeways

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Otherwise, you see, I knew there were others like me. :devil:

Get to the back of the line.. There is only one of me, no others come close  God only needs one vessel.. I am younger and stronger   lol :P

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:19 PM

View PostEtu Malku, on 27 November 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

:devil: LMAO!! Wow . . . thank god for God!!
I must have missed the Ark when it left, because I sat and meditated, was a vegetarian, gained two black belts, found the Satanic Bible under our newly moved in house in the suburbs of New Jersey, was a regional wrestling champ for three years and a State champ for one . . .  from the age of 8 - 16
Then I found the guitar and spent the next 30 years becoming a musician and eventually a hired gun, touring the world with many famous artists, doing copious amounts of drugs, enjoying the carnal spoils that Life presents you when in the world of Dionysus and Pan.

Around 45 I left it all, cleaned up, and immersed myself fulltime into the occult (which I had dabbled in here and there previously).
I own outright two beautiful homes, one high on the cliffs of the Hudson River, the best family you could ask for, extremely hot wife, both of my son's college funds paid in full, I am fully retired without a worry.

I thank MYSELF for this, not any god, if I were to, it would be Satan, Set, or Lucifer . . . certainly not the Abrahamic god.
WOW, I am truely impressed, Mr Walker sir was nearly converting me, but now I have read this, well, will not be spending the money i have saved for the novel he nearly convinced me to buy, the er, biby, Bible.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:23 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 27 November 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

WOW, I am truely impressed, Mr Walker sir was nearly converting me, but now I have read this, well, will not be spending the money i have saved for the novel he nearly convinced me to buy, the er, biby, Bible.

I am someone who would  be extremely hard to convince and convert to whatever faith may be..

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:26 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 26 November 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

I began to read at 23 months old..   By the time I was 2 and a half, I could spell and write..   When I reached 4, I made it into Mensa.  I was driving a moped scooter at the age of 5 down the freeway .......   I was running the family business at the age of 6 .. I was visited by what I thought were angels, and they told me I was going to be gods vessel on earth when I was 9 going on 10   I can not only read books, but god gave me the gift to read minds too ..I was hooked up to a computer and it couldn't keep up with me, so it blew up..
God made it possible for me to fly into space without the help of NASA....I was working for the CIA at 12...I have inspired many great minds, they just can't get enough of my talents, because I have so many .. I invented all the flashy gadgets  you see on Star Trek when I was 7.... I am still gods vessel, I just wait until he is ready for me  lol   ....  Oh my, that was fun to post :P

My daughter was going on 4 years old when she began to read.. She loves to read all sorts of books.. She loves going to the book fair and is a member of a book club..  Her room is full of books   ( childrens books )  She has more books than I can shake a stick at..  Her book case in her bedroom is packed with them, and we have to find her another bookcase for the rest that are all over the place.. Beckys books range from  -  Dairy of a wimpy kid  to kids astronomy   She loves every bit of it, but she enjoys playing and going to her friends house..
OMgoodness, I am surrounded by the elite of Mensa. I feel honoured, but also slightly out of place, the best i can add to this is listening to my mother while she read War and Peace to me while I was still in her womb and reciting back to her once the cord was cut.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 27 November 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

OMgoodness, I am surrounded by the elite of Mensa. I feel honoured, but also slightly out of place, the best i can add to this is listening to my mother while she read War and Peace to me while I was still in her womb and reciting back to her once the cord was cut.

You betcha.. I bet if you thought long about it, your memories will flood back and you will recall some of your own magical moments..    JK Rowling  eat your heart out  lol

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:03 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 24 November 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:



Satanists and christians and atheists all have a right, a duty, and a responsibilty, to teach their beliefs ot their children. Only where the beliefs create harm that is not acceptable to the laws of the society, are a parents rights to educate their child overruled by law. It is not child abuse to teach a child anything no matter how stupid it is.
Only a person opposed to a certain viewpoint will object to a child being taught that viewpoint/ eg I am a capitalist at heart, but govt schools, and thus myself  have to teach  a form of socialism in Australia. I object to this, but do it because it is my job to do so. A parent could teach their child either socialism or capitalism or anythng else and another might object..

I would never force my religous beliefs onto my children. I could educate them on it but never say this is this and that is that. Children look up to their parents most of all and what the parent says, they know what they're talking about in the mind of a child and generally accept what they have to say as truth.

Even as far as socialist or capitalist views go, I think they all need to be looked at equally much like religion and have a non biased way to educate all of them.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:14 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 27 November 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

You betcha.. I bet if you thought long about it, your memories will flood back and you will recall some of your own magical moments.. JK Rowling  eat your heart out  lol
A book, thats it! what a great idea you have just helped me have, maybe i can find someone on here who can help me, someone with experience in writing autobiographies and having magical moments. :D ;)

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:20 AM

all my kids think im a fruit loop with what my belief system is and i wouldnt have it any other way....i hate to see children brought up in fear...this is what a lot of mainstream religions do and also i believe they are just another way to control....i agree with letting them know your belief but not only yours but what the world has to offer....i am very fortunate to of made my own choices and been allowed an insight into other forms of religion....i dont think anyone has a right to preach and to make any child feel fear just because mummy and daddy believe what they do...you can teach right and wrong without religion ever being involved x
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:35 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 27 November 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Because I was busy teaching men and women how to fly planes  from the age of 4 - 5... Once I done all that, I fancied a rest, so I took to my moped, and went cruising the freeways



Get to the back of the line.. There is only one of me, no others come close  God only needs one vessel.. I am younger and stronger   lol :P
And a woman, which i suspect is the real reason it took you five years to get out on the freeway on your moped. :whistle:

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:40 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 28 November 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

I would never force my religous beliefs onto my children. I could educate them on it but never say this is this and that is that. Children look up to their parents most of all and what the parent says, they know what they're talking about in the mind of a child and generally accept what they have to say as truth.

Even as far as socialist or capitalist views go, I think they all need to be looked at equally much like religion and have a non biased way to educate all of them.
If you believe something/anything, and obviously have rational strong reasons for any such belief, why wouldnt you want and hope your children would share them. Why encourage them to adopt less productive and beneficial beliefs than those which work for you?

The passing on of inner understandings from parent to child, along with learned skills and knolwedge, has been how humanity has progressed  until about the late 1800s when Britain  and others  developed a free universal education system for children..

If you dont pass on your beliefs, ethics, values, moralities etc to a child, someone else will pass on theirs. That's the nature of learned behaviours.

Edited by Mr Walker, 28 November 2012 - 07:42 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 07:54 AM

View Postfreetoroam, on 27 November 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

WOW, I am truely impressed, Mr Walker sir was nearly converting me, but now I have read this, well, will not be spending the money i have saved for the novel he nearly convinced me to buy, the er, biby, Bible.
Its funny. I had read many thousands of books, including lady chatterly's lover (banned in australia for many years)  before i was an adult or even an older teen, but i had never read the bible. it was never something i had no need for, or  interest in. I think coming to the bible as a university educated adult, gave me a different perspective on it, from  person reading it from childhood.

my parents had a no censorship policy from the time I could read. I was allowed and encouraged to read whatever i was interested in. My developmental levels self limited what i chose to read, but i still had a huge choice from our public library. I went with my grandmother into the adult section from about the age of five. I picked out books i wanted to read and she borrowed them out in her name. People were not allowed to borrow books from the adult section until they turned 14  Adult here merely means any non childrens book. eg agatha christie, John Creasy, Isaac asimov and arthur c clarke etc. as well as all the classics of literature from dickens to tolstoy and modern classics like lord of the rings . By the time i left home to go to uni aged 17, i had read all the books in the local library, but the university library provided  years of reading. Today i utilise 3 public libraries to find books to read.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.





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