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[JayMark]

I think the title should have read; "Boy, 9, has been brainwashed by Chistian parents into beleiving God saved him".

[eight bits]

Jay Mark

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I think the title should have read; "Boy, 9, has been brainwashed by Chistian parents into beleiving God saved him".

On what basis do you say this? The boy never said anything about being saved, much less saved by God. The headline writer in the version of the story Still Waters posted made it up. The boy said nothing about moving until after he felt the impact, not before. The Huffington Post writer made that up, too.

Do you have any evidence that the boy's parents are even Chrsitians? Christ isn't mentioned anywhere, not even in the phoney-baloney version of the story that the Huffington Post cooked up.

If you have some evidence of child abuse, then I'll be happy to give you the email of a Massachusetts juvenile services case worker in PM.

[Euphorbia]

Angel Left Wing, on 24 April 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

The Bible, being the word of God, gives us answers to some, and maybe even all, of what you stated above. It does not, however, explain to us why God would allow the life of one person on Earth to be extended and not the life of another - at least not to the detailed extent I believe some are looking for.

You do realize that the bible was written by men......not god......and that the writings of some men, and all of the writings that women tried to contribute were refused entry into the bible? I have never actually read the entire bible and I know that I never will, as there is too much violence and too many orders to do this and not do that............and certainly not enough love and forgiveness mentioned within it's covers. I don't believe that the bible answers any of the questions that I have of this world and this life that I have.

I have nothing against anyone that believes in god and if that belief works for you......then great......I just have never felt the presence of any god within me, and so the bible is meaningless to me......

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In the end though, God saves all of those who believe in Him. So in that regard those that die of unfortunate circumstances here on Earth are still very much alive.

That's another belief that I have never understood. If god actually exists, why do I have to believe in him? What is the importance to god in having mankind believe in him......especially when he refuses to reveal himself? Why would he create me knowing I would never believe? And then send me to hell for not believing?  I'm not saying that's your view, but it is the view of a lot of Christians. Why is your god so elusive?

Life happens......death happens.....to all of us. This boy just had a very, very, near miss, one that he will remember for the rest of his life. I see no reason to believe there was any intervention.......

[JayMark]

eight bits, on 24 April 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

Jay Mark

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On what basis do you say this? The boy never said anything about being saved, much less saved by God. The headline writer in the version of the story Still Waters posted made it up. The boy said nothing about moving until after he felt the impact, not before. The Huffington Post writer made that up, too.

Do you have any evidence that the boy's parents are even Chrsitians? Christ isn't mentioned anywhere, not even in the phoney-baloney version of the story that the Huffington Post cooked up.

If you have some evidence of child abuse, then I'll be happy to give you the email of a Massachusetts juvenile services case worker in PM.

The article is what basis I have. I was commenting the OP and this particular article. I'm not going to research every article here to try to figure out how true and accurate it is unless it is a matter that I am really interested in. And I had absolutely no way of knowing it was made-up just from it alone.

Besides, it was sarcastic. I thought it was obvious. I am sorry that it might have offended you. That was not my intention. I still think it's a good one.  

Peace.

Edited by JayMark, 24 April 2012 - 08:43 PM.

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I certainly don't understand why God chooses one life to extend and allows another to be "cut short".  But I think perhaps it's because the length of a human life from His perspective is incredibly brief and no matter how much pain we may suffer in this body, it is completely forgotten once we are resurrected.  This is my idea only.  No scripture to back it up.  As to the OP, if he thinks it might have been God then I see no problem even if it wasn't.  I look on faith as a positive force in our lives.  The only exception I can think of to this is people who withold medical treatment while hoping for a miracle cure.

[Alienated Being]

and then, on 24 April 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

I certainly don't understand why God chooses one life to extend and allows another to be "cut short".  But I think perhaps it's because the length of a human life from His perspective is incredibly brief and no matter how much pain we may suffer in this body, it is completely forgotten once we are resurrected.

Of course life is brief, especially in comparison to astronomical terms. You would think that, given the fact that our lives are so brief, he would allow us to live them for what limited time we have, instead of cutting it short. It doesn't make sense to me as to why he would, for example, allow a bus full of children burn, killing them all, yet allow an individual with no chance of leading a normal life (ie. one in a vegetative state) to live. Why would he allow a serial rapist to survive, while allowing his victim to die? He works in mysterious ways. He seems to be a pretty sadistic SOB, if you ask me.

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  This is my idea only.  No scripture to back it up.  As to the OP, if he thinks it might have been God then I see no problem even if it wasn't.  I look on faith as a positive force in our lives.  The only exception I can think of to this is people who withold medical treatment while hoping for a miracle cure.

It's a ridiculous, fact-less idea. Gods do not exist. They are fun to think about as fairy tales and myth, however, their existence is equivalent to that of unicorns - null.

Cheers.

[Beckys_Mom]

Angel Left Wing, on 24 April 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

I do know that He will definately save those who do believe in Him, however.

On my own behalf - I personally  cannot make that assumption...If I am to be most honest and speak about facts and not just a belief I hold I would say -  I do not know what God will do, and I do not beleive  anyone does..  There is more to it than just holding a belief in God..  It is how you lead your life.. A believer in God can  hold the belief ok, but lead a life of evil and  do wrong...just like anyone else...  But I cannot know what God will do...I believe that God will be he only decider ..   The simple truth to it all is, we all will not know until we die...So until then we each will carry our own beliefs..

Euphorbia, on 24 April 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

You do realize that the bible was written by men......not god......and that the writings of some men, and all of the writings that women tried to contribute were refused entry into the bible? I have never actually read the entire bible and I know that I never will, as there is too much violence and too many orders to do this and not do that............and certainly not enough love and forgiveness mentioned within it's covers. I don't believe that the bible answers any of the questions that I have of this world and this life that I have.

I have nothing against anyone that believes in god and if that belief works for you......then great......I just have never felt the presence of any god within me, and so the bible is meaningless to me......

I fully understand all you have aid and  I agree with you.. The bible  to me is  just a mater of adopting  another mans  personal belief and his personal experiences.. And we all know many believers over time have claimed to have had various godly experiences too.. I cannot adopt to them and take them as Gods word...  I beleive that if one is to follow God,then  do it themselves and not  link themselves on to another mans  beliefs and experiences.. To me that is taking a short cut ...The bible is meaningless to me too...

To sum up  - if you do not have any feelings of God around you, then it is understandable  and  logical not to hold the belief...
  But if you do feel God around you, then why  allow yourself to adopt another mans personal experience when you know there are so many ..Why not go at it alone?  That's my motto...Its one i will firmly stand by too

Euphorbia, on 24 April 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

That's another belief that I have never understood. If god actually exists, why do I have to believe in him?

You don't... because  like you said before,  It was written by a mere man who assumed  that we all need to follow and worship..So to add - It is only a matter  of taking the word of  humans..  We have nothing to tell us  it really came from God.. Hence why it is called blind faith.. Just take their word for it?  Or  not... I chose not to.. Because I do not believe God is  that needy or demanding, I beleive mankind is ...I am glad I can think and act for myself ..Pretty much like you do and millions like you

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 25 April 2012 - 09:48 AM.

[Tx-Perkyness]

God himself would never do that  ...but perhaps an angel would hence the "Guardian angel" quote or maybe superman was there for you, we'll never know

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Alienated Being, on 25 April 2012 - 12:58 AM, said:

Of course life is brief, especially in comparison to astronomical terms. You would think that, given the fact that our lives are so brief, he would allow us to live them for what limited time we have, instead of cutting it short. It doesn't make sense to me as to why he would, for example, allow a bus full of children burn, killing them all, yet allow an individual with no chance of leading a normal life (ie. one in a vegetative state) to live. Why would he allow a serial rapist to survive, while allowing his victim to die? He works in mysterious ways. He seems to be a pretty sadistic SOB, if you ask me.


It's a ridiculous, fact-less idea. Gods do not exist. They are fun to think about as fairy tales and myth, however, their existence is equivalent to that of unicorns - null.

Cheers.

You're certainly not alone in that opinion.  But for those of us who do believe(simple minded lot that we are) we also wonder about what seems to be these inconsistencies and injustices.  I've often thought that we all have some purpose for which we were born into the world and when that is accomplished we step out of one dimension and into another.  Perhaps the entire purpose of some lives is to effect change in another and it can be accomplished in the death of a child.  For those who have no faith in an afterlife I agree that cutting this physical sojourn short seems incredibly cruel and capricious but taken in the scale of eternity it's hardly worth a tear.  But ranting and raving for or against a Deity is pointless so as you say....cheers!

[Rlyeh]

Tx-Faithful, on 29 April 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

God himself would never do that ...but perhaps an angel would hence the "Guardian angel" quote or maybe superman was there for you, we'll never know

If he can burn images of Jesus and Mary on toast, why not?

[PsychicPanda]

It just shows that its still not his time to die

[Super-Fly]

Heard of stranger things happening.