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Where did Jesus get those ideas, anyway?

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#1    GIDEON MAGE

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:17 PM

Good morning, I want to unabashedly promote my articles on Examiner.com.  My most recent one is:  http://www.examiner....sus-of-nazareth
Far from wanting to bash Jesus of Nazareth, I'd like to point out that the source of some of his adorable little comments seems to be Lao Tze, a Chinese Philosopher that lived 500 years earlier.  There are more than a few examples of this.  If anyone is even remootely interested in this topic, I can quote a few more.  One of the Ideas purported in the Tao Te Ching is the Idea that, if you completely merge with the Tao, you can become Immortal.  Lao Tzehimself is honored by some Sects of Taoism as an Immortal.  There are even Legends that he taught Siddharta Gautama, the Buddha.  Was he still around in the firdt century C.E.?  Perhaps he met with Jesus of Nazareth and taught him?  It would explain so much.  After all, Jesus of Nazareth did teach that we should follow the Tao ("The Way").  Discuss among yourselves.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:25 PM

face palms self repeatetly untill what ive read makes sense

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:26 PM

can you please explain your ideas of christianity and how they are simalar

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:28 PM

View PostArmchair Educated, on 28 November 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

face palms self repeatetly untill what ive read makes sense

lololol i just wanted to tell you that reading your post made me actually laugh out loud. Thank you :clap:

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:58 PM

View PostGIDEON MAGE, on 28 November 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Good morning, I want to unabashedly promote my articles on Examiner.com.  My most recent one is:  http://www.examiner....sus-of-nazareth
Far from wanting to bash Jesus of Nazareth, I'd like to point out that the source of some of his adorable little comments seems to be Lao Tze, a Chinese Philosopher that lived 500 years earlier.  There are more than a few examples of this.  If anyone is even remootely interested in this topic, I can quote a few more.  One of the Ideas purported in the Tao Te Ching is the Idea that, if you completely merge with the Tao, you can become Immortal.  Lao Tzehimself is honored by some Sects of Taoism as an Immortal.  There are even Legends that he taught Siddharta Gautama, the Buddha.  Was he still around in the firdt century C.E.?  Perhaps he met with Jesus of Nazareth and taught him?  It would explain so much.  After all, Jesus of Nazareth did teach that we should follow the Tao ("The Way").  Discuss among yourselves.

Gideon, old son, this is ripping stuff! I don't follow any religion, I'm an atheist who was raised as a Christian Protestant, but I have always thought that Jesus did indeed make some 'adorable little comments' that would help one to live one's life well ....... as other spiritual leaders have done, of course. More quotes please!

The only criticism I have of your article is that I can't really see the connection between the two quotes ..... although both of them are admirable.

Regarding your post: I think it's possible that Jesus 'met' Lao Tze in spirit.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:21 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 28 November 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Gideon, old son, this is ripping stuff! I don't follow any religion, I'm an atheist who was raised as a Christian Protestant, but I have always thought that Jesus did indeed make some 'adorable little comments' that would help one to live one's life well ....... as other spiritual leaders have done, of course. More quotes please!

The only criticism I have of your article is that I can't really see the connection between the two quotes ..... although both of them are admirable.

Regarding your post: I think it's possible that Jesus 'met' Lao Tze in spirit.
Maybe.  I have always been fascinated by the apparent references in the Tao Te Ching to Immortality.  Maybe Jesus happened to read the book.  There were established trade routes at the time...

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:27 AM

I've long felt that Jesus either went east between his childhood and the beginning of his ministry, or he was somehow exposed to eastern philosophy/religion in his own area of the world. I think he heard that type of teaching somewhere and applied it to his own religion.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:36 AM

From his mind. Hell I read some some of my thoughts I written down and they almost sound like his and other spiritual leaders(Same concepts but with less wtf were they smoking involved). People have a tendency to think of the best way to do something if left to their own devices.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:54 AM

View PostGIDEON MAGE, on 28 November 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Good morning, I want to unabashedly promote my articles on Examiner.com.  My most recent one is:  http://www.examiner....sus-of-nazareth
Far from wanting to bash Jesus of Nazareth, I'd like to point out that the source of some of his adorable little comments seems to be Lao Tze, a Chinese Philosopher that lived 500 years earlier.  There are more than a few examples of this.  If anyone is even remootely interested in this topic, I can quote a few more.  One of the Ideas purported in the Tao Te Ching is the Idea that, if you completely merge with the Tao, you can become Immortal.  Lao Tzehimself is honored by some Sects of Taoism as an Immortal.  There are even Legends that he taught Siddharta Gautama, the Buddha.  Was he still around in the firdt century C.E.?  Perhaps he met with Jesus of Nazareth and taught him?  It would explain so much.  After all, Jesus of Nazareth did teach that we should follow the Tao ("The Way").  Discuss among yourselves.
These forms of self realisation are quite common. Ive had them myself as a child. and then all my life Once you attain a certain level of consciousness or perhaps just stumble, as I did, upon the cosmic consciousness, many universal truths become obvious.

They are, i guess, always filtered through ones scientific cultural and other knowledge, but the similarities remain. Our consciousnesses are stored in the universal consciousness after death. I dont know if they remain self aware in present time, but one can acces them using your own consciousness. Ie you can access the consciousness of someone who has died and link with that awareness,   hold a conversation with it,  live within its own historic experiences etc.

Such concepts, like many scientific discoveries, are not made by just one person and then taught or handed down around the world. They are discovered or realised by many many individual people. Some promote them dsme patent them and some become known as the historical starting point for an invention or a concpet.

But this is not true. Such ideas and knowldge spring up spontaneously from within many human minds, because they are truths, and even if forgotten they will re-emerge in people centuries later.

Edited by Mr Walker, 30 November 2012 - 11:00 AM.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:35 PM

I would say Jesus was an incarnation of God and maybe him and Lao Tze knew each other rather well, perhaps not in humanly form, but they got their ideas from the same life force... Just as Mr. Walker said, people get the same kinds of revelation all the time. For them it may have just been intuitive from the start, and they were bold enough not to question the authority of their inner knowledge and pass it on. We're lucky to have teachers of this sort...

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:53 PM

View PostGIDEON MAGE, on 28 November 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Good morning, I want to unabashedly promote my articles on Examiner.com.  My most recent one is:  http://www.examiner....sus-of-nazareth
Far from wanting to bash Jesus of Nazareth, I'd like to point out that the source of some of his adorable little comments seems to be Lao Tze, a Chinese Philosopher that lived 500 years earlier.  There are more than a few examples of this. If anyone is even remootely interested in this topic, I can quote a few more.

Post more examples .Thanks

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

I think there is little historical evidence that the person Lao Tze ever existed, or if he did, wrote the Tao Te Ching. The subject is easly googled.

I think Jesus may have had a spiritual experience, an enlightenment, and the only way he could express this experience  was in the local, cultural and religious terms of the time.

Of course, we don't really know what Jesus' original message was, as what has been written down has been edited, added to, changed, compacted, lost in translation, etc.

If Jesus had been born in India, for example, his message would have been expressed in terms of the Hindu or Buddhist culture.

I think his message, which we have a partial account of, is a universal message, available to all of every era.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:48 PM

Who says Jesus ever existed?


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:34 PM

View PostBling, on 01 December 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

Who says Jesus ever existed?
Almost every mainstream historian, atheist or otherwise.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

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Be cheerful.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:05 PM

He got them from a man named John Frum.

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