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Posted 13 March 2013 - 06:57 PM

View Postal-amiyr, on 13 March 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

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I hope the above is a fun encounter. I was learning how to create smilies for my discussion forum and then I ended up doing this one. There appear to be a resemblance. But I do not know who :).

It would be interesting to explore your discussions.

actually here the smiley looks scary :passifier:

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 07:04 PM

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actually here the smiley looks scary :passifier:

That is why I sent him out to space :) :) . I hope he is not curbed by the expanding space :)

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:21 PM

You can refer back to the following posts  #1 #8 #9 #12 #19 #22 #23 #26 #27 #58 #61 #71#139 #157 #162 and #171.

The Qur,aan Cosmological Model Algorithmic Compression/Decompression Tables.
Have a good look at the following Four Decompressed Tables derived from the Qur'aan Cosmological Model Algorithmic Compression Formula

kh = T + R + F + 2T + 2R + 2F.

If you did not follow or do not know or do not understand how this Qur'aan Cosmological Model Algorithmic Compression Formula was derived, then go back to the beginning and carefully read all previous posts. The detailed explanation of the Qur'aan Cosmological Model really begins from this step onwards. It is very easy to grasp if you are willing to spend less than one hour to want to grasp it.

Here are the Four Qur'aan Cosmological Model Algorithmic Compression/Decompression Tables.

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To be continued and fully explained with detailed delineations inshaa allaah.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:07 PM

You can refer back to the following posts  #1 #8 #9 #12 #19 #22 #23 #26 #27 #58 #61 #71#139 #157 #162  #171 and # 228.


If in anyway certain points are considered preaching then I sincerely apologize, it is sometimes quite difficult for me to make the distinction. Let me know so that I may rephrase. Thanks!


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Two magnified examples of of The Qur'aan Cosmological Model Decompression Tables

Decompression Table 1:07 = RaFFa
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Decompression Table 1:11 = RaF:RaFa
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Decompressed Program: The Qur'aan Lexicographical Model

The Qur'aan Cosmological Model Algorithmic Compression is decompressed by The Qur'aan Lexicographical Model. Remember the thread The Qur'aan Lexicographical Model! Click here to read further details http://www.unexplain...opic=237617&hl=

What is the Qur’aan Lexicographical Model?
The Qur’aan Lexicographical Model is a program of the design, order, and structure of all the words of the Arabic language. Beginning from the layout and forms of the fundamental verbal root letters; their various types; their further extended verbal dimensions; and all their possible derived words visually presented as a model of about a thousand pages arranged vertically and horizontally.

The Arabic language consists of an alphabet of 28 letters plus one special letter called alif; 3 short vowels written above or below the consonantal letters, which can be extended into 3 long vowels using the 3 universal letters alif, waaw, and yaa’; and two important diphthongs ay and aw. From here the entire structure of the language is build upon a well designed arrangement.

The fundamental verbal root letters
Roughly speaking the Arabic language is based on letters arranged in twos threes and fours with vowels in between and after. They are all verbs of the past tense.
Here is the complete list of examples of all the Arabic fundamental verbal root patters.

Verbs based on this pattern
XaaXa consonant- long vowel- consonant- short vowel
ML- = MaaLa = he or it inclined, sloped, bowed
TL- = TaaLa = he lengthened
SB- = SaaBa = he hit (the target)

Verbs based on this pattern
XaXXa consonant- short vowel- double consonant- short vowel
R-F- = RaFFa = he or it flashed or flared
T-R- = TaRRa = he sharpened (a pencil to a point)
L-B- = LaBBa = he abided (at a place)

Verbs based on this pattern
XaXaa consonant- short vowel- consonant- long vowel
T-W-- = TaWaa = he rolled up
L-W-- = LaWaa = he curved, bent (something)
H-W-- = HaWaa = he or it fell down

Verbs based on this pattern
XaXaXa consonant- short vowel- consonant- short vowel- consonant- short vowel
N-M-R- = NaMaRa = he numbered (numbers)
S-B-R- = SaBaRa = he was patient
K-M-L- KaMaLa = he or it was complete, whole, total

Verbs based on this pattern
XaX:XaXa consonant- short vowel- consonant- consonant- short vowel- consonant- short vowel
S-L:S-L- = Sal:SaLa = he or it formed a chain reaction
Z-L:Z-L- = ZaL:ZaLa = it quaked (the earth)
N-M:N-M- = NaM:NaMa = it rippled (sand in the wind)

There you have it the complete verbal program (100%) upon which the entire Arabic language (99%+) is based and thus the entire Qur’aan and its thousands of Models of Knowledge lying below its surface that must be extracted and in this case here - The Qur'aan Cosmological Model.

Have again another look at the program that generates all the fundamental verbal root words of the Arabic language. Ignore the darkened section for now. Just pay close attention to the section vertically marked 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

http://www.theholyta...t/lexmod1.1.png

The vertically marked section 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 is the program that decompresses The Qur'aan Cosmological Model Algorithmic Compression Formula:

Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F.

Which is derived from:


Khalqan = Tayyan +Ratqan +Fatqan +2Tayyan +2Ratqan +2Fatqan.
(an example of what is meant above in English is)
Creation = Turn in +Rotate + Fire out +2Turn in +2Rotate +2Fire out.

Which in turn are the key words from The Two Specific Qur'aan Cosmological Verses that describe the general evolution of the universe from before its date of birth and until its death.

The results of the decompression of The Qur'aan Cosmological Algorithmic Compression Formula are the four tables presented in the previous post: Post 13.

Remember again that it was said and I quote:
"It will be seen that when we run the Qur’aanic cosmological algorithmic compression

Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F


through the fundamental structure of the Arabic language then we witness a magnificent display of verbs, nouns, and adjectives that go back to describe each and every phase of the universe at its exact time and place in great detail. We are presented without exaggeration hundreds of beautiful drawings of the phases the universe undergoes from its cosmological origin, through its cosmological evolution, and until its eventual cosmological fate. And upon that we also see the derivation of many simple and logical abbreviations that precisely describe each and every phase of the universe. And then further beyond that we realize and see how the actions of the universe drive life into the dead and empty of meaning fundamental building blocks of the language- which are all the fundamental verbal patterns from which are derived the words of the language.
That in a nutshell is the Qur’aan Cosmological Model."

Here again is Table 1 of the 4 tables. See the magnificent display of verbs of the past tense that will go back to describe each and every phase of the universe at its exact time and place producing detailed delineations as to for example its mechanics- translational, rotational, and oscillatory.

http://www.theholyta...CMtable1of4.png

A common question that has been asked over and over again everywhere is, "What would falsify this model?" If the analyses of the results of the decompressed tables do not correspond with empirical scientific (mathematical, cosmological, quantum physical, etc.) data then this model could be regarded as theoretical or in other words the personal imaginations of the author. But if the decompressed tables do correspond with empirical scientific (mathematical, cosmological, quantum physical, etc.) data then this model could not be regarded as theoretical or in other words the personal imaginations of the author but rather the factual input of the Creator of the Universe Himself. The simple conclusion of the matter would be and I quote from the speaker of the qur'aan who claims to be the Creator of the Univers as follows.

Qur’aan 021:30

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا
أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا
فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا

وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ
أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ


transliteration

‘a-wa-lam yara lladhiyna kafaruw

‘anna as-samaawaati wa-l-‘arDa kaanataa Ratqan

fa-Fataq-naa humaa


wa-ja”al-naa min al-maa’i kulla shay’in hayyin

‘a-fa-laa yu’minuwna


Have those who have disbelieved now not seen:-

that the samaawaat and the ‘arD

(1)- were both Ratq

(2)- and so We Fataq them both again.

And We made from water every living thing.

Will they now not believe?
[translation by al-amiyr muhammad al-qurashi al-amjadiy]



In terms of this qur'aanic statement, the entire world has then to take heed. This era might be the last of all chances. And I add and say that the Creator knows best.

The analyses of the Qur'aan Cosmological Model Decompressed Tables begins from the next post inshaa ALLAAH

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:27 PM

View Postal-amiyr, on 21 March 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

we witness a magnificent display of verbs, nouns, and adjectives that go back to describe each and every phase of the universe at its exact time and place in great detail.

Please describe the first second, showing the process and the materials used as described in the Koran.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:26 PM

Quran is in Arabic. Translation comes after understanding. This makes translation an interpretation. Most part of interpretation is perception. Perception feeds on ideas. Ideas can be right or wrong until proven otherwise. My question is: what if all the scientific findings- that you're basing your argument on and you are certain they are what the words of the Quran mean- turn out to be false or incomplete? Would you accept that the Quran was false or incomplete? For example: there was a time when people of science believed the earth was flat. Muslims had no problem with that belief because certain verses were interpreted in a way that supported that claim. Now we know the earth is not flat. The same verses used in favor of the previous false "scientific fact" were re-interpreted to accommodate the new "scientific fact". Is Quran a book of science? Meaning is its intention to teach people scieific facts or is its intention something else-specify-?

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:41 PM

View Postgoodconversations, on 26 March 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

Quran is in Arabic. Translation comes after understanding. This makes translation an interpretation. Most part of interpretation is perception. Perception feeds on ideas. Ideas can be right or wrong until proven otherwise. My question is: what if all the scientific findings- that you're basing your argument on and you are certain they are what the words of the Quran mean- turn out to be false or incomplete? Would you accept that the Quran was false or incomplete? For example: there was a time when people of science believed the earth was flat. Muslims had no problem with that belief because certain verses were interpreted in a way that supported that claim. Now we know the earth is not flat. The same verses used in favor of the previous false "scientific fact" were re-interpreted to accommodate the new "scientific fact". Is Quran a book of science? Meaning is its intention to teach people scieific facts or is its intention something else-specify-?


When we read the Qoran what you say falls very easily, everyone is aware of the hierarchy upward in understanding the Quran and the growth of knowledge. The minus knowledge and the most substantial and visible is the language and the statement, If we add to the language and the statement inference method and style of debates in the Quran we entered the field of thought and consideration, if we add to this the order that the Quran made to this consideration and to that thought for where he is an individual or bilateral or collective in terms of the methods and manners and curricula we entered the door of scientific research, if we add to this the whole facts of creation in the universe, plants and animals and the news of lost nations, we entered the field of science.

For me the Quran holds in it a lot of scientific knowledge but it is not forced to explain it detailed as many people think, the details are for us because we are human and we are always looking for details to complete our ignorance.

Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him said:

{I seek refuge in Allah from knowledge that brings no wisdom, from a heart that lacks kindness, from desires that bring discontent, and from supplications that go unanswered . }

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:52 AM

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When we read the Qoran what you say falls very easily, everyone is aware of the hierarchy upward in understanding the Quran and the growth of knowledge. The minus knowledge and the most substantial and visible is the language and the statement, If we add to the language and the statement inference method and style of debates in the Quran we entered the field of thought and consideration, if we add to this the order that the Quran made to this consideration and to that thought for where he is an individual or bilateral or collective in terms of the methods and manners and curricula we entered the door of scientific research, if we add to this the whole facts of creation in the universe, plants and animals and the news of lost nations, we entered the field of science.

For me the Quran holds in it a lot of scientific knowledge but it is not forced to explain it detailed as many people think, the details are for us because we are human and we are always looking for details to complete our ignorance.

I'm sorry i can't see where you're going with this and that's because things are arranged differently in my head. To help me understand your point would you answer this question: can scientific knowledge/facts be deduced from the Quran? If yes, would you cite an example?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:08 PM

View Postgoodconversations, on 26 March 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

Quran is in Arabic. Translation comes after understanding. This makes translation an interpretation. Most part of interpretation is perception. Perception feeds on ideas. Ideas can be right or wrong until proven otherwise. My question is: what if all the scientific findings- that you're basing your argument on and you are certain they are what the words of the Quran mean- turn out to be false or incomplete? Would you accept that the Quran was false or incomplete? For example: there was a time when people of science believed the earth was flat. Muslims had no problem with that belief because certain verses were interpreted in a way that supported that claim. Now we know the earth is not flat. The same verses used in favor of the previous false "scientific fact" were re-interpreted to accommodate the new "scientific fact". Is Quran a book of science? Meaning is its intention to teach people scieific facts or is its intention something else-specify-?
this is one of the allegations on islam which is heavly debated and already proven wrong
the verse in debate  here is " ألم نجعل الارض مهادا "
litarly translated to english " haven't we made the earth an expanse "

alllah in this verse did not describe the shape of the earth .. he described adjective of the earth
and that adjective is the word " مهادا "
meaning it's made so people can walk on it endlessly
no matter how much you walk .. you can not reach the end of it .. now if it was flat . then you'd reach an end
therefore that reject the adjective of the word in debate here
so in fact quran it refer to it as round .. based on the same verses that some people tried to prove it's flat with

this is all deep arabic issues and those claims are made by alot of people who don't know about arabic but shallow knowledge
it's all over the internet and it's funny at times
no offense meant but if you want to prove something you need to have great knowledge of the basis of it in all details
otherwise your point will be flawed

Edited by Knight Of Shadows, 27 March 2013 - 12:34 PM.

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Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:18 PM

View Postgoodconversations, on 27 March 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

I'm sorry i can't see where you're going with this and that's because things are arranged differently in my head. To help me understand your point would you answer this question: can scientific knowledge/facts be deduced from the Quran? If yes, would you cite an example?
yes here's two examples in a topic i made a long time ago
if you up for reading it that is
i could go on discussion those facts with you but the reason i provided this topic
so we won't go on drifting this topic away from it's purpose
but i think all arguments have been put to test in that topic
these are mere two examples of science facts from Koran
" which was written long ago before discovering those facts "

http://www.unexplain...koran +miracles

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Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:05 PM

Hello Muslims folks, Can I ask you a question? What are you planning to achieve with this discussion? Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing your religion, in fact I deeply venerate Islam for the purest form of monotheism it preaches. I have read Koran from cover to cover and gained spiritual knowledge from it that I would not find elsewhere, but I never saw it as a book meant to inform about "science". Scientific findings are always changing. Why would anyone want to link their scriptures to constantly changing science and put their own faith in danger?


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:19 PM

View Postgoodconversations, on 27 March 2013 - 10:52 AM, said:

I'm sorry i can't see where you're going with this and that's because things are arranged differently in my head. To help me understand your point would you answer this question: can scientific knowledge/facts be deduced from the Quran? If yes, would you cite an example?

Yes, A lot of very known scientist in the golden age have deduced from the Quran a scinetific knowledge, like al-khawarezmi for example he has invented the algebra because of the urge in the muslum world for calculating the legal inheritance (You can check that for many sources ). And there is a lot of examples

Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him said:

{I seek refuge in Allah from knowledge that brings no wisdom, from a heart that lacks kindness, from desires that bring discontent, and from supplications that go unanswered . }

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:27 PM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 27 March 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

this is one of the allegations on islam which is heavly debated and already proven wrong
the verse in debate  here is " ألم نجعل الارض مهادا "

I believe the verses are: 88:20, 71:19, 2:22, 51:48, 87:6, 50:7

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litarly translated to english " haven't we made the earth an expanse "

Each of the verbs/words in question is/could be traced to a root verb. This root typically has several meanings. To understand the verse, one will end up with a collection of meanings of his/her own choice from among all the other meanings of each of the words of the verse. His choices are influnced by his/her already existing knowledge/ideas. If he/she has got the wrong idea, his/her choice of meanings will be wrong. If the choice of meanings is wrong, so will be the translation which in this case can't be called "literal" because it's actually an interpretation.


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alalh in this verse did not describe the shape of the earth .. he described adjective of the earth
and that adjective is the word " مهادا "
meaning it's made so people can walk on it endlessly
no matter how much you walk .. you can not reach the end of it ..

Unless this meaning is the ONLY meaning found in the Arabic language, it's not helping your argument.

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now if it was flat . then you'd reach an end
therefore that reject the adjective of the word in debate here
so in fact quran it refer to it as round .. based on the same verses that some people tried to prove it's flat with

In fact, the Quran,  only made the choice of words. The reader/interpreter, in this case you and them, makes the choice of meanings; i.e. specifies what the Quran "refers" to. How are these two things the same if you can't ask the owner of the Quran/Allah?

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this is all deep arabic issues and those claims are made by alot of people who don't know about arabic but shallow knowledge
it's all over the internet and it's funny at times
no offense meant but if you want to prove something you need to have great knowledge of the basis of it in all details
otherwise your point will be flawed

Actually the classic exegeses of the Quran do not present all possible interpretations. They only present what was likelier/more probable in their time(s). Yet only a few would dare call them shallow. The modern exegeses do the same.

I wasn't trying to prove something when i pointed out that example. I was asking the poster some questions and the example was to clarify my question.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:33 PM

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yes here's two examples in a topic i made a long time ago
if you up for reading it that is
i could go on discussion those facts with you but the reason i provided this topic
so we won't go on drifting this topic away from it's purpose
but i think all arguments have been put to test in that topic
these are mere two examples of science facts from Koran
" which was written long ago before discovering those facts "

http://www.unexplain...koran +miracles

You're mistaking induction for deduction, with reference to your other post.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:40 PM

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Yes, A lot of very known scientist in the golden age have deduced from the Quran a scinetific knowledge, like al-khawarezmi for example he has invented the algebra because of the urge in the muslum world for calculating the legal inheritance (You can check that for many sources ). And there is a lot of examples

I'm sorry are you saying those verses inspired him or that he looked at th verses and logically deducted Algebra from the specific calculations in those verses?

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