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[Nims]

Astute One, on 10 June 2010 - 07:59 PM, said:

Watch the movie, THE FOURTH KIND

Or watch this movie - The Next One



Little spoiler here
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Jesus was a time traveler.

[Mr Walker]

Agent. Mulder, on 22 June 2010 - 04:57 PM, said:

yet, unfortunately, no ones been able to show the 'godlike' qualities, jesus the man came up with.

I dont think that is true. Many people(including many i know personally0 have learned, through the example of jesus how to live spiritual lives and how to best reconcile the physical and spiritual aspects of life on earth. Most dont have any of the physical powers of jesus but some(they would say through the gift of the holy spirit) have some of them.These peole live a life much closer to that of jesus than most humans do and gain the many benefits available from such a life They follow the precepts and examples set by jesus in theri treatment of them selves and of others. And while none of us has the full powers and nature of jesus (because we are not so fully filled with the spirit can be as jesus was ), in the process of "becomin"g we can make very real physical and beneficial changes in our lives, and those of all around us.
All of us have the ability to act like jesus at least some of the time. We all have a part of god within us that enables us to be good, loving, compassionate, just, spiritual beings. All of us can love others as ourselves and consequently treat all others as we would like to be treated. It just requires first, education and second, self discipline, to live like christ.(And hence like god)
I think this form of life is not limited to christianity but is possible through all the main spiritual religions of the world.
It is also possible for an athiest but, in general, an athiest would have no rationale or motivation to adopt such a lifestlye. A secular humanist could come close through genuine love and care for humanity but, again, might lack the strong emotional drivers which are necessary to make real and difficult alterations in lifestyle.

Edited by Mr Walker, 25 June 2010 - 01:10 AM.

[azdp1]

Didnt Teilhard de Chardin think Jesus was the summit of evolution of man?

[outside the jar]

That's not even a hypothesis, you're imposing an idea with no evidentiary support, you're olny giving "for example" situations, if you can provide some ancient texts from that time period that clearly state Jesus was an alien or atleast some plausible explanation to prove this idea then you could form a theory. I think people at that time could recognise the difference between the power of god and some extraterrestrial force or 'alien illusion'.

[grendals_bane]

I really don't like the humans are genetic experiments idea, I have come across it hundreds of times and I have yet to see even the faintest piece of evidence to back it up ,other than speculation and random interpretations of things like the Bible etc.

The Wanderer, on 15 November 2006 - 08:52 PM, said:

You know, the past couple of days as I’ve been walking around the lake during lunch, I’ve postulated the theory that Jesus Christ was really an alien DNA experiment, and that the whole premise of the human race is that we are a long-running genetic experiment being conducted by a very old (by our reckoning) race of people. Maybe they have been evolving for 500 billion years, and they live for 500,000 years. Let’s say they are a very peaceful, giving people.

The universe it only believed to be around 14 billion years old or so. Therefore this alleged alien race would be older than the known universe and somehow survived the big bang.
My other problem with this is the linking of two things that have not been proven, the Bible and aliens. Although out of the two aliens are more likely.

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They started this experiment say, 20 or 30 thousand years ago, and have been making repeated visits to our planet to infuse us with some sort of gene-splicing material. That’s why there were so many different people, from early ape-man, through Neanderthal to Cro-Magnon to modern Homo sapiens. Each jump in the evolutionary tree was another genetic test.

As Homo Sapiens have been around for longer than 20 to 30 thousand years, these "aliens" would not have had any impact on mankind's early evolution. Also we share 99.9% of our DNA structure with chimps, so in this time frame the "aliens" have only got around to altering 0.01% of our DNA.

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At one point, they decided to go with one race, let’s just say the Jews, maybe because they were the most cohesive, since they don’t intermingle much with other races. All the accounts you read about in the Old Testament are just the scientists trying to make sure that their control group doesn’t get destroyed.

So the aliens are using the Jewish as a control group, why? After all it has not been stated what the experiment is supposed to achieve. Also I don't think the Jewish are any more cohesive than any other race.

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Let’s say these alien people have evolved to the point where they can communicate through telepathy, and manipulate the elements around them using their minds. Let’s say you’re a shepherd named Moses in ancient Egypt, and you “hear” a voice telling you to do God’s will. Maybe this voice tells you his name is “Yahweh” (which could be the actual name of the lead scientist, for example), and you must do things for him and protect your people. When really what “Yahweh” wants to do is protect his experiment, and continue to get “funding” for it! It goes on and on through the years.

If the aliens were that advanced why resort to using one random person to protect a whole race of people? Also using he Bible as evidence for anything is stretching things, as the majority of the stories are made up of symbolism, embellishment, and pure fantasy. Also if as stated earlier the Jew's are a control group, then surely by interfering in the events of man would make the experiment invalid.

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They tried to accelerate the process too much by making Mary pregnant with Jesus. They impregnated her with half the DNA from one of their own. That’s why Jesus was able to do all those things. He grew up knowing he was somehow different than the rest of the kids (as he would be if his DNA was half-alien), and at some point in his life, he got a “calling” to go out by himself. (Once again, “Yahweh” communicating into his mind)

This is assuming that the "aliens" were genetically close enough to us for that to work. and as I mentioned earlier about chimps sharing 99.9% of our DNA means it would not work Again using the Bible as evidence, when Jesus has not even been proven to have even existed.

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Maybe at that point, this race revealed themselves to him, and showed him some of the marvelous things he could do, being half-them. They show him how to help his fellow man, since they were a benevolent people, and thought they were doing all this to help us move closer along the evolutionary ladder toward them. He was able to know what people were thinking, when power went out of him, make food miraculously appear, heal sick people, etc. All because he was half-alien, from a 500 billion year old race. But, all that he did was not understood; he was far too advanced for the people of that time, and so he was killed.

To perform these alleged miracles would require Jesus to break the laws of physics, and no matter how advanced the "aliens" are they are still bound by the laws of physics like everything else in the universe.

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Maybe he didn’t really die, or die as we know it, but on a cellular level went into some sort of hibernation until his body could regenerate. At that time, maybe the results of his regeneration were that he became more like the race of aliens from ??? (maybe Alpha Centauri, it’s the closest star), and they couldn’t allow him to stay or it would blow the experiment. He was physically taken from the planet.

So Jesus is Dr Who then? Wow!

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That’s why, in the 1st book of Acts, you read of him “ 9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

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Those two were other members of the scientific expedition making sure that the illusion was maintained.

I am guessing you believe they are scientists because they are dressed in white. This is just symbolism, as white symbolises purity etc, and can be found in many religions.

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Maybe they will be back in another 1000 years or so. That’s not so long to a race that lives 500,000 years. Maybe they’ll return, with Christ, since he is now a lot like them, when they think we’re ready to accept the idea that we’re not alone.

Jesus isn't the only person alleged to come back from the dead. Many mythical figures such as King Arthur are supposed to come back from the dead in a time of need. It is a common theme in mythological heroes.

Edited by grendals_bane, 18 August 2010 - 10:02 PM.

[Terresterial Being]

@ Alien Embryo Jesus was not a mythical figure, and if the aliens are capable of science that we have yet to discover, who knows what they or we are capable of.  Do you really believe the laws of science are constant 100% of the time?  If someone had a lighter 2000 years ago that would have been considered magic or witchcraft, hopefully we have come further to keep open minds about things we cannot explain or to refuse to believe in new things and possibilities. Aliens or angels, read Hebrews Chapter 13 verse 2.

Edited by Terresterial Being, 10 October 2010 - 04:24 AM.

[Coyote Speaks]

The Wanderer, on 15 November 2006 - 08:52 PM, said:

You know, the past couple of days as I’ve been walking around the lake during lunch, I’ve postulated the theory that Jesus Christ was really an alien DNA experiment, and that the whole premise of the human race is that we are a long-running genetic experiment being conducted by a very old (by our reckoning) race of people. Maybe they have been evolving for 500 billion years, and they live for 500,000 years. Let’s say they are a very peaceful, giving people.

They started this experiment say, 20 or 30 thousand years ago, and have been making repeated visits to our planet to infuse us with some sort of gene-splicing material. That’s why there were so many different people, from early ape-man, through Neanderthal to Cro-Magnon to modern Homo sapiens. Each jump in the evolutionary tree was another genetic test.

At one point, they decided to go with one race, let’s just say the Jews, maybe because they were the most cohesive, since they don’t intermingle much with other races. All the accounts you read about in the Old Testament are just the scientists trying to make sure that their control group doesn’t get destroyed.

Let’s say these alien people have evolved to the point where they can communicate through telepathy, and manipulate the elements around them using their minds. Let’s say you’re a shepherd named Moses in ancient Egypt, and you “hear” a voice telling you to do God’s will. Maybe this voice tells you his name is “Yahweh” (which could be the actual name of the lead scientist, for example), and you must do things for him and protect your people. When really what “Yahweh” wants to do is protect his experiment, and continue to get “funding” for it! It goes on and on through the years.

They tried to accelerate the process too much by making Mary pregnant with Jesus. They impregnated her with half the DNA from one of their own. That’s why Jesus was able to do all those things. He grew up knowing he was somehow different than the rest of the kids (as he would be if his DNA was half-alien), and at some point in his life, he got a “calling” to go out by himself. (Once again, “Yahweh” communicating into his mind)

Maybe at that point, this race revealed themselves to him, and showed him some of the marvelous things he could do, being half-them. They show him how to help his fellow man, since they were a benevolent people, and thought they were doing all this to help us move closer along the evolutionary ladder toward them. He was able to know what people were thinking, when power went out of him, make food miraculously appear, heal sick people, etc. All because he was half-alien, from a 500 billion year old race. But, all that he did was not understood; he was far too advanced for the people of that time, and so he was killed.
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I can understand why this is a popular theory, and why it holds so much attraction to so many people. It's at once simple and complex, it eliminates the need to try to justify complicated explanations thoroughly while allowing for a more creative and easier explanations to be made up.

First: The idea of a super advanced alien civilisation. While not incredibly far-fetched (a wonderful argument can be made that any planet hosting sentient life would have to be rather advanced) you run into two issues. 1) The distance they would have to travel to get here/ continue travelling here and, 2) Lack of evidence that they ever were here.  

Secondly, in speculating that Jesus was half alien you're speculating that he did everything stated in the Bible. In doing so, you're disregarding the fact that almost all the 'Signs and Wonders' up to and including the resurrection, were later additions. You're also eliminating the possibility of the stories as allegory. The possibility of allegory or exaggeration is much more likely than alien intervention.

Finally, the evolution prior to the point - all the extant human species are to be viewed as failed experiments? Even those within our direct lineage? What about interbreeding with Neanderthal? What about all the other animals here that have evolved over the years? There's too much unaccounted for.

[tomt]

i heard that jesus had only 23 chromosomes,

as he was genetically related only to his mother.


24400

Edited by tomt, 11 October 2010 - 10:11 PM.

[Agent. Mulder]

tomt, on 11 October 2010 - 10:10 PM, said:

i heard that jesus had only 23 chromosomes,

as he was genetically related only to his mother.


24400

You "hear" a lot of things tomt, judging from your previous posts.
Anyways, where did you hear that?

[Lion6969]

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That’s why, in the 1st book of Acts, you read of him “ 9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

This actually proves he was never crucified but rather raised to the heavens, he will return the same way.


As for the rest it was entertaining that's all.

[Lion6969]

Mr Walker, on 25 June 2010 - 01:08 AM, said:

I dont think that is true. Many people(including many i know personally0 have learned, through the example of jesus how to live spiritual lives and how to best reconcile the physical and spiritual aspects of life on earth. Most dont have any of the physical powers of jesus but some(they would say through the gift of the holy spirit) have some of them.These peole live a life much closer to that of jesus than most humans do and gain the many benefits available from such a life They follow the precepts and examples set by jesus in theri treatment of them selves and of others. And while none of us has the full powers and nature of jesus (because we are not so fully filled with the spirit can be as jesus was ), in the process of "becomin"g we can make very real physical and beneficial changes in our lives, and those of all around us.
All of us have the ability to act like jesus at least some of the time. We all have a part of god within us that enables us to be good, loving, compassionate, just, spiritual beings. All of us can love others as ourselves and consequently treat all others as we would like to be treated. It just requires first, education and second, self discipline, to live like christ.(And hence like god)
I think this form of life is not limited to christianity but is possible through all the main spiritual religions of the world.
It is also possible for an athiest but, in general, an athiest would have no rationale or motivation to adopt such a lifestlye. A secular humanist could come close through genuine love and care for humanity but, again, might lack the strong emotional drivers which are necessary to make real and difficult alterations in lifestyle.

Can you actually prove any of it or is based on just faith and personal experience.

Also you say they act and behave line Jesus try to live their lives according to his way, is this provable, can show that they do follow Jesus to T in accordance with his practises based in the bible?

[Agent. Mulder]

Terresterial Being, on 10 October 2010 - 04:21 AM, said:

@ Alien Embryo Jesus was not a mythical figure, and if the aliens are capable of science that we have yet to discover, who knows what they or we are capable of.  Do you really believe the laws of science are constant 100% of the time?  If someone had a lighter 2000 years ago that would have been considered magic or witchcraft, hopefully we have come further to keep open minds about things we cannot explain or to refuse to believe in new things and possibilities. Aliens or angels, read Hebrews Chapter 13 verse 2.

Kinda vague, really depends on what laws youre talking about.
A lighter is really straightforward though, and doesnt do anything with "laws of science".

[FreeThinker1]

I know I am a little late to the party, but those of you wanting proof that Jesus was half alien need to think outside the box.

Read my site for more clarification.

www.truthofalltruths.org

[Ashiene]

You say:

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Maybe they have been evolving for 500 billion years, and they live for 500,000 years.

Our Universe is not even 15 billion years old. Unless you are theorising also that they have been living in multiple universes.

[Agent. Mulder]

FreeThinker1, on 16 October 2010 - 10:24 PM, said:

I know I am a little late to the party, but those of you wanting proof that Jesus was half alien need to think outside the box.

Read my site for more clarification.

www.truthofalltruths.org

That site is ridiculous.

"Then there is evolution. We are told that millions of years ago a blob of chemicals was energized and came alive. Then that blob of ooze evolved into millions of species of life on its own. Even though the sheer mathematic probability of that happening isn’t comprehendible. Even though they have not found the missing link in human evolution"

They dont even have a basic understanding of it here. Theyre talking abiogenesis, not evolution. Retarded.

"Wow, how can we just stick our head in the sand and just pick one of these theories to believe in?? Can’t we think for ourselves? Must we follow blindly??"

I adivse no one reads this site.