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#1    Jessica Christ

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:08 PM

Well just throwing a shot out to see if there are other Christopagans here or surfing the search engines who would find this and would like to discuss the various streams of Christopaganism.

Keep in mind this is the Spirituality forum and not the Spirituality vs Skepetics forum so please be respectful of this and if you want to argue that Christopaganism does not exist (hi!), is a contradiction (postmodernism and syncretism, hello!), or that Christopagans are just confused, those topics might better be suited on that forum where others are willing to debate those items.

This thread is specifically made to explore Christopaganism for those who are interested or who are Christopagans themselves. There are just so many types and issues we have.

Have you came out of the closet to your family if they are Christian?

Have you came out of the closet to your friends if they are Pagan?

Could you even feel comfortable in a Christian church?

Does your family practice a blended-faith?

What is the most respectful ways of blending?

What holidays do you observe or not?

What specific rituals do you practice?

Do you wish there were more of us?

Are you intersted in Christopaganism but have never heard about it?

Any websites and other resources that you know of? Even if just local to your area.

Basically so many questions, more than I could come up with, and each single question will likely have so many answers.

The one I am most interested in is what parts of Christianity and Paganism do you hold most dear, revere the most, and is just a part of you.

There is also another: How did you find this path? What is your story? If you are willing to share...


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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:33 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 01 May 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Well just throwing a shot out to see if there are other Christopagans here or surfing the search engines who would find this and would like to discuss the various streams of Christopaganism.

Keep in mind this is the Spirituality forum and not the Spirituality vs Skepetics forum so please be respectful of this and if you want to argue that Christopaganism does not exist (hi!), is a contradiction (postmodernism and syncretism, hello!), or that Christopagans are just confused, those topics might better be suited on that forum where others are willing to debate those items.

This thread is specifically made to explore Christopaganism for those who are interested or who are Christopagans themselves. There are just so many types and issues we have.

Have you came out of the closet to your family if they are Christian?

Have you came out of the closet to your friends if they are Pagan?

Could you even feel comfortable in a Christian church?

Does your family practice a blended-faith?

What is the most respectful ways of blending?

What holidays do you observe or not?

What specific rituals do you practice?

Do you wish there were more of us?

Are you intersted in Christopaganism but have never heard about it?

Any websites and other resources that you know of? Even if just local to your area.

Basically so many questions, more than I could come up with, and each single question will likely have so many answers.

The one I am most interested in is what parts of Christianity and Paganism do you hold most dear, revere the most, and is just a part of you.

There is also another: How did you find this path? What is your story? If you are willing to share...
I know nothing of it but the term seems like a non-sequitur.  What is it?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:29 AM

View Postand then, on 01 May 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

I know nothing of it but the term seems like a non-sequitur.  What is it?

The way a few people approach spirituality due to the way they were brought up and/or how they begin to make sense of the world for themselves.

It is very personal and there are plenty of prejudices, people who won't accept you, and outright cruelty from both Christians and Pagans if they find out who you are.

If we are lucky others will come to share and maybe you will find out more about it.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:46 AM

you probably wont find many christopagans in britain britney.
we were a pagan country for thousands of years, with many fine monuments and sacred places, until christianity turned up and rededicated the sites they didn't outright destroy.
we take a rather dim view of that kind of behaviour, a consequence of which being a lot of resentment towards christianity from british pagans, who tend to view paganism and christianity as being mutually exclusive.
ireland, on the other hand, has a long tradition of cristopaganism, as they were highly reluctant to give up the old ways when christianity was introduced, so practiced a mixture of both, something that they do even today.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

There is one on the site but I don't remember who it is. We have one who comes to our circles. (I think I unfriended her :whistle:  )  Pagan religions and Abrahamic religions are so different I don't understand how they reconcile them. I would like to know.  Pagan (Earth based religion) honors or worships the Earth and the Universe,  in other words the creation. Birth and rebirth is an unending cycle.  Christians worship what they call God a creator being outside the universe.. You're born, you die, heaven or hell your choice.  Personaly I don't think they are really Pagans (modern) they are New Age/Christian which are actually twIo different things. New age, puts all religion in a bucket and stirs it up. Too confusing for me. I'll just walk one path at a time, thanks.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:10 PM

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Too confusing for me. I'll just walk one path at a time, thanks.

You know that I have much respect for the path that you've chosen. However, the webby party line about Christianity is that it's all pagan syncretic and knock-off anyway.

Not that I buy into the party line, but if there's any truth to it at all, then it would seem inescapable that there could be a syncretism that respects both its roots. And that would be something pagan and Christian.

For example, and I happily acknowledge my debt in the following observation to Tom Wolfe and his novel, A Man in Full, you could read Epictetus

http://classics.mit....-Epictetus.html

and except for a few words here and there, think you were reading something from the Early Christian Writings site.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:45 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 01 May 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Well just throwing a shot out to see if there are other Christopagans here or surfing the search engines who would find this and would like to discuss the various streams of Christopaganism.

Keep in mind this is the Spirituality forum and not the Spirituality vs Skepetics forum so please be respectful of this and if you want to argue that Christopaganism does not exist (hi!), is a contradiction (postmodernism and syncretism, hello!), or that Christopagans are just confused, those topics might better be suited on that forum where others are willing to debate those items.

This thread is specifically made to explore Christopaganism for those who are interested or who are Christopagans themselves. There are just so many types and issues we have.

Have you came out of the closet to your family if they are Christian?

Have you came out of the closet to your friends if they are Pagan?

Could you even feel comfortable in a Christian church?

Does your family practice a blended-faith?

What is the most respectful ways of blending?

What holidays do you observe or not?

What specific rituals do you practice?

What is your story? If you are willing to share...
Hello Britney,

You may want to check out Santeria and Candomble. Also, many practitioners of yoga, including kundalini and siddha, remain in their central Christian religion...until they realize what their Christian religion is all about. Even within the Christian faith, there are "pagan-like" practices (and I'm being politically correct here without naming sects, congregations, etc.). So yes, Christopaganism is out there.

When I was a practicing pagan, the only thing Christian I found important was the Holy Spirit because I once believed that the mystical "Flow" was exactly it. Church was out of the question because of time. Practicing pagan rituals and self knowledge is consuming. Who has the time to "serve two masters"? I celebrated Easter and Christmas as eternity of the soul (Christ consciousness) and reincarnation; besides, the "outer" trimmings of those holidays are pagan based. My family knew my former pagan status, and it was something I was absolutely proud to admit because I got results. In that line of paganism, material results are extremely important; otherwise, one's practice is all in the mind, as in "mental." And I mean GREAT results: psychic gifts are part of that equation. Unless something otherworldly or life-changing happens to a person, leaving that type of paganism (channeling with wizardry) is unthinkable. With all the goodies and all -- I think, not. On the other hand, without the will of "a god," one's pagan practice is ABSOLUTELY fruitless. By the way, I'm selling all of my crystals and minerals and things on my website, for I am traveling lightly nowadays.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 05:28 AM

View Postshrooma, on 02 May 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

you probably wont find many christopagans in britain britney.
we were a pagan country for thousands of years, with many fine monuments and sacred places, until christianity turned up and rededicated the sites they didn't outright destroy.
we take a rather dim view of that kind of behaviour, a consequence of which being a lot of resentment towards christianity from british pagans, who tend to view paganism and christianity as being mutually exclusive.
ireland, on the other hand, has a long tradition of cristopaganism, as they were highly reluctant to give up the old ways when christianity was introduced, so practiced a mixture of both, something that they do even today.

That makes a lot of sense and it does seem those who hold on to the older ways here are all Catholic as well, similar to Ireland I am guessing. Of course growing up outside of the Catholic tradition I did see (and there still are) a few non-Catholic Christians who cling on to superstition as well to the point that visiting a folk healer or even using home remedies is not out of the question. Of course "holding on to supersition" is only the way outsiders view it, we truly beleive these things work.

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Hello Britney,

You may want to check out Santeria and Candomble. Also, many practitioners of yoga, including kundalini and siddha, remain in their central Christian religion...until they realize what their Christian religion is all about. Even within the Christian faith, there are "pagan-like" practices (and I'm being politically correct here without naming sects, congregations, etc.). So yes, Christopaganism is out there.

When I was a practicing pagan, the only thing Christian I found important was the Holy Spirit because I once believed that the mystical "Flow" was exactly it. Church was out of the question because of time. Practicing pagan rituals and self knowledge is consuming. Who has the time to "serve two masters"? I celebrated Easter and Christmas as eternity of the soul (Christ consciousness) and reincarnation; besides, the "outer" trimmings of those holidays are pagan based. My family knew my former pagan status, and it was something I was absolutely proud to admit because I got results. In that line of paganism, material results are extremely important; otherwise, one's practice is all in the mind, as in "mental." And I mean GREAT results: psychic gifts are part of that equation. Unless something otherworldly or life-changing happens to a person, leaving that type of paganism (channeling with wizardry) is unthinkable. With all the goodies and all -- I think, not. On the other hand, without the will of "a god," one's pagan practice is ABSOLUTELY fruitless. By the way, I'm selling all of my crystals and minerals and things on my website, for I am traveling lightly nowadays.


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I am familiar with both of those, Santeria and Candomble.

My sister told me last month she was going to go back to the Santero she used to visit and continue on that path. She also went to the botanica here in town to buy some things to that effect. She had dropped powder before, what some who practice hoo doo would call goofer dust, but that is not what they call it in Santeria and I have never asked her about it because it seems highly personal to her. Do you know what the equivalent name would be?

I am more of the type who prefers getting all I need from nature or small personal items that I already own but to each their own.

Hey expand on the pagan practices you find within Christianity, no need to be politically correct here since this thread is not about Christianity or Paganism but Christopaganism.

The Holy Spirit is very much like flow and I have experienced both so would not call them exactly the same experiences but they do strike me as being from the same source.

Once I was sweeping the driveway outside, magically you see, and my friend was sitting down watching me. She told me that it was very calming to watch me doing so, almost like looking at ocean waves, and that she was getting drowsy.

I was doing this as a tool to find balance and also because the drive needed to be swept. Then it was as if I was simply a part of everything. The sky appeared to turn a shade of pink, everything did, for a moment I was in flow...then I returned but the calmness endured for some time after.

Really like what you said about it being "mental". Techniques such as visualization are a part of my path from since I was quite young, taught to me by my father, which I expanded the concept to suit my own needs.

There is also the fact that I do believe that everyone has a gift and if they can just find it they can help others in this world with it, in small ways, in ways you would not even tell others you are helping them, but in secret.

Traveling light seems prudent, thank you for your response.

Here is a tidbit about folk magic/healing from the Northeast. It would be nice to learn more about this.

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Pow-wow, called Braucherei in Deitsch, is a system of American folk religion and magic associated with the Pennsylvania Dutch.

Its name comes from the book Pow-wows, or, The Long Lost Friend, written by John George Hohman and first published in German as Der Lange Verborgene Freund in 1820. Despite the appropriation of "pow-wow", taken from an Algonquian word for a gathering of medicine men, the collection is actually a very traditional collection of European magic spells, recipes, and folk remedies of a type familiar to students of folklore. The formulas mix prayers, magic words, and simple rituals to cure simple domestic ailments and rural troubles.

The tradition is also called hex or hex work, or Speilwerk in Pennsylvania Dutch; its adepts are hexenmeisters. The tradition of Hex signs painted on Pennsylvania barns in some areas originally relates to this tradition, as the symbols were pentagrams thought to have talismanic properties; though many current hex signs are made simply for decoration.

Also important to the pow-wow practitioner was the work Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses, a magical text attributed to Moses, and claimed as an esoteric sequel to the Biblical Five Books of Moses, or Pentateuch. Various versions of the work can be traced to 18th and 19th century German sources, while an English translation was published in New York in 1880 by the German antiquarian, Johann Scheible.

Another characteristic practice of pow-wow magic is the Himmelsbrief or "heaven's letter" and Teufelsbrief, a "devil's letter," which presumably is meant to bestow a curse. Significantly, the Long Lost Friend assures its owner that:

Whoever carries this book with him, is safe from all his enemies, visible or invisible; and whoever has this book with him cannot die without the holy corpse of Jesus Christ, nor drowned in any water, nor burn up in any fire, nor can any unjust sentence be passed upon him. So help me.

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Cure For The Headache
Tame thou flesh and bone, like Christ in Paradise; and you who will assist thee, this I tell thee (name) for your repentance sake. + + + This you must say three times, each time lasting for three minutes, and your headache will soon cease. But if your headache is caused by strong drink, or otherwise will not leave you soon, then you must repeat these words every minute. This, however, is not necessary in regard to headache.
To Remove Bruises and Pains
Bruise, thou shalt not heat; Bruise, thou shalt not sweat; Bruise, thou shalt not run, No more than Virgin Mary shall bring forth another son. + + +
To Pull the Heat from Burns
Two angels came down from the north; one named Fire, the other Frost; Frost said to Fire go away, go away; in the name of Jesus go away.


http://en.wikipedia....ow_(folk_magic)

That is definitely more in line with the type of folk magic and healing that I learned was sent to us as a gift from God. A long time ago not everyone could see a doctor (too expensive, just for the people on the other side of the tracks) so God sent us healers to the people when they were most needed. Those traditions might be dying for that very reason. So I had to form my own path with no one to show me anything besides the most basic home remedies. My sister took another path.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 03 May 2013 - 05:31 AM.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:57 AM

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She had dropped powder before, what some who practice hoo doo would call goofer dust, but that is not what they call it in Santeria and I have never asked her about it because it seems highly personal to her. Do you know what the equivalent name would be?

I am more of the type who prefers getting all I need from nature or small personal items that I already own but to each their own.

Once I was sweeping the driveway outside, magically you see, and my friend was sitting down watching me. She told me that it was very calming to watch me doing so, almost like looking at ocean waves, and that she was getting drowsy.
Yefa (goofer dust)... Cascarilla powder is to clear negative energy. They're both from nature. Yefa is termite droppings, and cascarilla powder is from white egg shells. Goofer dust, on the other hand, can be anything, from bones to home dust or combo, depending on the "prayer." At any rate, one must have "a god" to give blessing...

Your friend was getting drowsy because her psychic muscle system was weak. Have you ever heard of the term "spiritual cannibalism"?  It's not as sinister as it sounds (for people who follow a particular pagan religion, or the occult). It's just a matter of fact. When one deals with outside forces and gods, one must accept one's psychic limitations and do something about it, to rise above one's limitations.

At any rate, my pagan path was like a lifetime ago...

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:31 AM

Digging into the history and there was this.

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Collyridianism was an obscure Early Christian heretical movement whose adherents apparently worshipped the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, as a goddess.

The main source of information about them comes from their strongest opponent, Epiphanius of Salamis, who wrote about them in his Panarion of about 375 AD. According to Epiphanius, certain women in then-largely-pagan Arabia syncretized indigenous beliefs with the worship of Mary, and offered little cakes or bread-rolls (Greek κολλυρις – a word occurring in the Septuagint) to her. Epiphanius states that Collyridianism originated in Thrace and Scythia, although it may have first travelled to those regions from Syria or Asia Minor. Little else is known.

Collyridianism

Of course it is only considered heretical by orthodoxy as was any other variation.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 04 May 2013 - 11:34 AM.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 05:37 PM

The two don't just simply mix like that.  Any true spiritualist would tell you that to do so would make you drunk, but not with wine.  It is introducing the positive and the negative together to satisfy a specific selfish desire and not the desire of God.  Pagan worship is a worship of created things, Christianity is the worship of God, the Father of all the living (The Creator).

One can respect and admire the creation, but to worship it as a god is to be worshipping a false god.

A star will have it's many revolutions in space and then as a human dies, it dies.  Some stars in space have been dead a long time and their light is just now reaching us.  Someday our star and our planet will die and the light that comes from our star and planet will only just be reaching the planet some other species or even our species has colonized on another planet far off into the universe.

As well it is a sin for any Christian to worship any idol so Christianity and Paganism can't work.

There may be more to Paganism that I don't understand, but I know enough to say which one I would rather worship, The Creator over the created.

It is hard work, it is often a loneliness one cannot bare.  The Hero's walk usually is lonely because to do Good is hard, and to do evil is easy.

This may help a bit,

The truth is singularly in that no matter what you believe, it will always be truth, it doesn't need you to believe in it to be the truth, but im sure it would rather have friends of the truth.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:13 PM

Thank you for that last bit.

The rest seems better suited for the spirituality vs skeptics forum as debates between Christianity and Paganism is not the purpose of this thread nor will it reveal or add anything new that most of us have not already heard. Your position is clear and understood.

Thanks, anyways.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 04 May 2013 - 07:16 PM.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:50 PM

I'm a little fuzzy on the pagan Christian identifier really, are you talking modern pagans who also worship Christ, Christians who consider themselves witches? I think just as with the spectrum of beliefs you're going to find that asking for someone who believes one certain thing in a certain way nearly impossible.

As for pagan influence in Christian beliefs that again depends on the denomination and the culture you're talking about. There are many examples including those already mentioned of Christian beliefs in certain places that include many pagan references. It also I think bears mention that pagan means different things from different people. For some Christians pagan refers not to earth worshippers (etc) but anything that isn't Christian. In fact from a historical perspective the Christian church pretty much referred to anyone who wasn't a church going Jesus follower a pagan (or heathen). For the modern interpretation of pagan of course that is far different despite the historical origin of the name paganus which meant a country dweller but was subverted to mean a general heathen.

I know of a few practicing pagans who respect christ as a deity among a  pantheon but do not worship him solely as a christian would.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:48 PM

View Postbraveone2u, on 02 May 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Hello Britney,

You may want to check out Santeria and Candomble. Also, many practitioners of yoga, including kundalini and siddha, remain in their central Christian religion...until they realize what their Christian religion is all about. Even within the Christian faith, there are "pagan-like" practices (and I'm being politically correct here without naming sects, congregations, etc.). So yes, Christopaganism is out there.

When I was a practicing pagan, the only thing Christian I found important was the Holy Spirit because I once believed that the mystical "Flow" was exactly it. Church was out of the question because of time. Practicing pagan rituals and self knowledge is consuming. Who has the time to "serve two masters"? I celebrated Easter and Christmas as eternity of the soul (Christ consciousness) and reincarnation; besides, the "outer" trimmings of those holidays are pagan based. My family knew my former pagan status, and it was something I was absolutely proud to admit because I got results. In that line of paganism, material results are extremely important; otherwise, one's practice is all in the mind, as in "mental." And I mean GREAT results: psychic gifts are part of that equation. Unless something otherworldly or life-changing happens to a person, leaving that type of paganism (channeling with wizardry) is unthinkable. With all the goodies and all -- I think, not. On the other hand, without the will of "a god," one's pagan practice is ABSOLUTELY fruitless. By the way, I'm selling all of my crystals and minerals and things on my website, for I am traveling lightly nowadays.


Peace.

I was showing some Pagan friends your site. (Some of your stuff isn't Pagan just first class art objects.  You have an eye for art.)   I told them I thought you were a Pagan who had changed his faith, When a witches change their faith they have a yard sale. lol  

I would never say my Pagan path was  fruitless, I could have never gone through what I have gone through without it. I like to call it the dark part of forest. My path pulled me into the light or at least to balance. The  wands, crystals, athamies   are a means to meditation.  You don't need any of it really. I have done better with a stick than any of the showy trappings of Modern Paganism.   (I am a rock hound actually. That is why I collect crystals.)  Once I decided gods are irrelevant to my personal happiness I became much happier and more at peace.  I became my own guru which is really the message of Buddha.   A lot of it comes from meditation, some of it from understanding I am the eyes and ears of the Universe and in there is my to joy and my center.  As Above, So Below.    

But each must make their own choices to find their own happiness and center.  If Christianity brings you joy and peace, then run with it, my friend. :st

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 12:17 AM

That is funny, but it's so true about the "yard sale."

I'm also willing to match or beat other sellers' online prices, and BTW, I a couple of bigger crystals, but they're very heavy and costly to ship -- I will upload more pictures when I get the time. In my case, once a piece is sold, it's gone for good.

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According to Gnosticism, Christ came to world to give us a way out; so, why is Gnosticism so secretive and elitist when it comes to salvation??




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