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[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Abramelin, on 29 August 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Well, read again:

This video was taken by the crew of Expedition 31 on board the International Space Station. The sequence of shots was taken from June 24, 2012 from 07:09:03 to 07:13:12 GMT, on a pass from the South Atlantic Ocean, east of southern South America and north of the Falkland Islands, east over the South Atlantic Ocean. This video primarily focuses on the star field and the Milky Way (near the center of the star field) as the ISS travels over the South Atlantic Ocean. Some city lights can be seen, as well as the airglow surrounding the Earth's limb.

Oh yes, I didn't see that when oi said thaat. So would that help in possibly ascertaining what this might be?

[TheMacGuffin]

747400, on 29 August 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Oh yes, I didn't see that when oi said thaat. So would that help in possibly ascertaining what this might be?

I don't know.  It just looked like a very different and strange NASA video compared to all the others that I've seen, and I really have seen a lot of them.  It just didn't look real to me, but maybe they're doing something new now that I haven't heard of.

[badeskov]

I voted yes as from these videos we cannot really ascertain what they are. That said, I am convinced that they are satellites, ice or something otherwise mundane along those lines.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[Imaginarynumber1]

Is there a legitimate reason that these are suspected to be UFO's and not just satellites? Beyond the "we can't say for sure so they are UFO's" argument.

Edit: Didn't see your post Badeskov. That last bit wasn't aimed at your post.

Edited by Imaginarynumber1, 30 August 2012 - 02:06 AM.

[1963]

badeskov, on 30 August 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

I voted yes as from these videos we cannot really ascertain what they are. That said, I am convinced that they are satellites, ice or something otherwise mundane along those lines.

Cheers,
Badeskov

"I am convinced that they are satellites, ice or something otherwise mundane along those lines."   ...."Convinced" eh!...without one jot of  evidence to point to that... air-tight conclusion!...very scientific that Badeskov!

Cheers.

[TheMacGuffin]

badeskov, on 30 August 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

I voted yes as from these videos we cannot really ascertain what they are. That said, I am convinced that they are satellites, ice or something otherwise mundane along those lines.

Here's a historic UM first, because I voted "no" and took the skeptical side of the whole thing.  I'm no video expert by any means, but to my mind there was just something odd or funny about these that didn't look right at all.

[badeskov]

1963, on 30 August 2012 - 02:12 AM, said:

"I am convinced that they are satellites, ice or something otherwise mundane along those lines."   ...."Convinced" eh!...without one jot of  evidence to point to that... air-tight conclusion!...very scientific that Badeskov!

Cheers.

No, nor did I ever claim it to be scientific. I am convinced, i.e. in my opinion, that is what they are. However, since satellites/ice/debris exists and are observed all the time, don't you think chances are that is exactly what they are? In fact, cis-lunar space is literally crammed full of junk upto geostationary orbit.

TheMacGuffin, on 30 August 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

Here's a historic UM first, because I voted "no" and took the skeptical side of the whole thing.  I'm no video expert by any means, but to my mind there was just something odd or funny about these that didn't look right at all.

  I do know you actually do have a skeptical streak buried inside of you

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited by badeskov, 30 August 2012 - 03:22 AM.

[TheMacGuffin]

badeskov, on 30 August 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

  I do know you actually do have a skeptical streak buried inside of you

Yes, I do.  I don't believe every case that gets posted on here, although with many of the ones I don't take seriously I just refrain from commenting at all.  Basically, I have my favorite classic UFO cases, records and some documentaries that I take seriously, and I often comment favorably on those.  

I do tend to avoid the ones who say that they are in contact with aliens or have been taken on a flying saucer ride and things like that.  I definitely don't believe that millions of people have been abducted because the military and police really would be forced to take action about that, but there are some cases where I think something like that might have happened.  

But yes, I'm skeptical about a lot of things I hear, including anyone who uses terms like "Galactic Federation of Light".  LOL

[Alisdair.MacDonald]

Imaginarynumber1, on 30 August 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:

Is there a legitimate reason that these are suspected to be UFO's and not just satellites? Beyond the "we can't say for sure so they are UFO's" argument.

Edit: Didn't see your post Badeskov. That last bit wasn't aimed at your post.

Satellites do not orbit in such close proximity to each other. By very definition, they are static to the orbit of the earth. Whatever these objects are are clearly not on the same orbital path as the camera. Since there is nothing else for them to orbit, they seem to be moving independently.

[Imaginarynumber1]

Mider, on 30 August 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

Satellites do not orbit in such close proximity to each other. By very definition, they are static to the orbit of the earth. Whatever these objects are are clearly not on the same orbital path as the camera. Since there is nothing else for them to orbit, they seem to be moving independently.

As this video purports to be 3 separate videos in one and the objects have the same movement every time they are seen, satellite or satellites seem more likely an explanation than UFO's. No everything orbits in the same path, nor at the same attitude. As was mentioned above, there is so much crap up there that it could be anything.

[badeskov]

Mider, on 30 August 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

Satellites do not orbit in such close proximity to each other.

Since we have no sense of distance, we have no way of determining how close the objects were. Thus could easily be satellites.

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By very definition, they are static to the orbit of the earth.

What exactly does this mean? I am not sure I understand.

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Whatever these objects are are clearly not on the same orbital path as the camera.

Agreed.

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Since there is nothing else for them to orbit, they seem to be moving independently.

Uhm, they could be orbiting the Earth. Just another orbital path.

Cheers,
Badeskov

[Alisdair.MacDonald]

Imaginarynumber1, on 30 August 2012 - 04:47 AM, said:

As this video purports to be 3 separate videos in one and the objects have the same movement every time they are seen, satellite or satellites seem more likely an explanation than UFO's. No everything orbits in the same path, nor at the same attitude. As was mentioned above, there is so much crap up there that it could be anything.

It really could be anything. Personally, i think the video is intriguing but ultimately inconclusive.  

The Jerusalem UFO on the other hand..that is a different story, and probably a different thread..

[Alisdair.MacDonald]

Badeskov, the moon is a satellite of the earth, without the earth and its gravity it would not exist. Our man made space installations that most call satellite are bound by the same principles..being gravity. I think the objects pretty clearly seem to be defying the earths natural gravitational pull.

Edited by Mider, 30 August 2012 - 04:55 AM.

[Imaginarynumber1]

Mider, on 30 August 2012 - 04:51 AM, said:

The Jerusalem UFO on the other hand..that is a different story, and probably a different thread..

If by "different story" you mean "clearly a hoax", then yes.

[Alisdair.MacDonald]

Imaginarynumber1, on 30 August 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

If by "different story" you mean "clearly a hoax", then yes.

I've yet to see anyone 'clearly' debunk the real footage. The footage that was mass released to media outlets is not the real footage. That footage is clearly a hoax..and seems to have been a hastily made diversion.