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[zoser]

JimOberg, on 26 October 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Thanks for the chuckle. I'm the guy who actually HAS talked with the astronauts and flight controllers in Houston.

Your explain-away reality-avoidance semantic trick about me 'clinging to some classic party line" is also a joke since it's my original research -- not the mindless eyes-closed echo chamber of the UFO internet sites -- that's independent, original, and first-hand reality-based. And for the EVA myths, the most dangerous.

You're right to be afraid of it, and to try to discourage newbies to close their minds to it. Be very afraid.

[synchronomy]

JimOberg, on 26 October 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Aldrin is talking about seeing an object associated with his own vehicle's booster rocket. How does that break the pattern I'm suggesting?

Listen to Aldrin at the 2:00 mark.  He explains why they asked Houston "where was the S-IVB"...they didn't want to say on the radio something was tagging them and they didn't know what it was..Houston replied "6000 miles away", so clearly the object was not the booster.

[JimOberg]

synchronomy, on 26 October 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Listen to Aldrin at the 2:00 mark.  He explains why they asked Houston "where was the S-IVB"...they didn't want to say on the radio something was tagging them and they didn't know what it was..Houston replied "6000 miles away", so clearly the object was not the booster.

Listen to Aldrin patiently explaining to reality-resistent UFO buffs that he and his spaceshipmates are quite satisfied the flasher was one of the SLA panels off the LM garage on the S4B. They were spotted on other Apollo missions too, always on the way OUT to the moon [never on the way back], and even occasionally photographed from Earth telescopes.

[zoser]

JimOberg, on 26 October 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

Listen to Aldrin patiently explaining to reality-resistent UFO buffs that he and his spaceshipmates are quite satisfied the flasher was one of the SLA panels off the LM garage on the S4B. They were spotted on other Apollo missions too, always on the way OUT to the moon [never on the way back], and even occasionally photographed from Earth telescopes.

[JimOberg]

zoser, on 26 October 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Afanasyev story

And what leads you to assume the narrator is telling you what the cosmonaut actually said?

What do you suppose his direct quotations, in the Russian media, actually report?

Jeez, why are you such an eager co-conspirator in your own deception?

[zoser]

JimOberg, on 26 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

And what leads you to assume the narrator is telling you what the cosmonaut actually said?

What do you suppose his direct quotations, in the Russian media, actually report?

Jeez, why are you such an eager co-conspirator in your own deception?

[JimOberg]

zoser, on 26 October 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

Popovich story

You're running away, stand and discuss the evidence you first offered.

You want a prosaic explanation for the Popovich story?

Fine, let's start with the basics -- time, date, and location of the incident.

You do know that those are critical to judging whether such reports have -- as most do -- a prosaic explanation, right?

[zoser]

So that's what, 4 or 5 testimonies that took me 5 minutes to find?  I've watched them all before and these are only the classic ones.  Goodness knows what I would find if I spent any time on the matter.

It's all there Jim, but if you refuse to listen to the people who were there or make some cynical claim that they were all hallucinating , then that's your choice.

I'll choose otherwise.

[bmk1245]

zoser, on 26 October 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Heh, according Afanasyev, object was 40 cm (link in Russian, but you can manage to translate it), not 40 m as s#!t we made up "Sightings" did.

[zoser]

bmk1245, on 26 October 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Heh, according Afanasyev, object was 40 cm (link in Russian, but you can manage to translate it), not 40 m as s#!t we made up "Sightings" did.

[synchronomy]

JimOberg, on 26 October 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

You're running away, stand and discuss the evidence you first offered.

You want a prosaic explanation for the Popovich story?

Fine, let's start with the basics -- time, date, and location of the incident.

You do know that those are critical to judging whether such reports have -- as most do -- a prosaic explanation, right?

Popovich was well aquainted with aerial phenomena.
He wasn't some janitor emptying ashtrays at Star City.

http://en.wikipedia..../Pavel_Popovich

[bmk1245]

zoser, on 26 October 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

Say what?!!!
Oh, boy... Grasping straws at its finest.
Next you'll bring J.Maussan's evidence.

[JimOberg]

zoser, on 26 October 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

Cooper story

How about the version of the story told by the other witnesses? Ever seen that?

Ever read the Blue Book report on it?

How about an investigation of this incident by James McDonald, the ufology pioneer, in the 1960s?

If you haven't seen this evidence, why not? And why reach a conclusion without it? How is it justified to deliberately disregard wider insights into such events?

[synchronomy]

JimOberg, on 26 October 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Ever read the Blue Book report on it?

I can't believe you are referencing Blue Book.  Their mandate was to explain away sightings while gathering as much evidence to the contrary as possible.  From swamp gas to discrediting respectable citizens they "reported" everything.
Once they had sufficiently stereotyped witnesses as the wearer's of tinfoil hats, they were disbanded.
Blue Book credibility = ZERO

[JimOberg]

zoser, on 26 October 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

So that's what, 4 or 5 testimonies that took me 5 minutes to find?  I've watched them all before and these are only the classic ones.  Goodness knows what I would find if I spent any time on the matter.

It's all there Jim, but if you refuse to listen to the people who were there or make some cynical claim that they were all hallucinating , then that's your choice.

I'll choose otherwise.

But you haven't even read my investigative reports, or anybody else's -- how is that NOT 'hallucinating', that any single witness tells you ALL you need to know about such an event. That's make-believe at its best.

And in the Afanasyev case, which you fell for so easily, the English narration has nothing at all to do with the actual comments the cosmonaut is making. They were fabricated by the program's producers to sucker in their target audience -- hyper-gullible eager-believers. Do you really want to be counted among such a population? You choose that?

Afanasyev elsewhere discussed a sheet-of-paper-sized flap of something that came off an approaching cargo drone while he was aboard the Mir. All the 'facts' that the program offered about his mission are phony -- date, location, year, even destination -- just thrown into the narration because the program trusted that its intended audience would never check and never know -- or care -- any better.

And they obviously were right.

That makes you PROUD of yourself?

Edited by JimOberg, 26 October 2012 - 06:55 PM.