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#61    Agonaces of Susa

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 09:38 PM

View PostThe Spartan, on 16 November 2009 - 09:32 PM, said:

My question is geological timescale, proved by ice core samples.

Any words about it?
What about it?

View Postquestionmark, on 16 November 2009 - 09:36 PM, said:

I see, so that includes Red Riding Hood and Cinderella?
Obviously not.  Why do you believe in Red Riding Hood and Cinderella but not Antarctica?

Edited by Agonaces of Susa, 16 November 2009 - 09:40 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 09:58 PM

Agonaces, why do YOU believe Antarctica was Atlantis?  I've read Flem-Aths book as well, when it first came out, but then for the last three years I've been trying to make Plato's story fit his time line and it just doesn't work.  There was no Atlantis as Plato told it.  Now, there might have been an Atlantis as Edgar Cayce told it, because that story has quite a different explanation.  But the point remains.  If there had been a power such as described by both these people, why are there no remnants?  Absolutely nothing, to show for it?  Not only in their homeland, but supposedly they had power over Europe and Africa too.  Would not their culture have left traces in this area as well?  Would they not have had relatives a friends living in other parts of the world that would have survived and carried on the traditions and religions?

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 10:05 PM

View PostQoais, on 16 November 2009 - 09:58 PM, said:

Agonaces, why do YOU believe Antarctica was Atlantis?
1. The 360 B.C. description of Atlantis is a description of Antarctica.

"... in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent." -- Plato, Timaeus, 360 B.C.

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2. The 1665 map of Atlantis is a map of Antarctica.

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Edited by Agonaces of Susa, 16 November 2009 - 10:08 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 10:07 PM

View PostAgonaces of Susa, on 16 November 2009 - 10:05 PM, said:

1. The 360 B.C. description of Atlantis is a description of Antarctica.

"... in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent." -- Sonchis of Sais, priest, 6th century B.C.

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2. The 1665 map of Atlantis is a map of Antarctica.

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I see... and you got these where?

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 10:12 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 16 November 2009 - 10:07 PM, said:

I see... and you got these where?
Any library on Earth or on the internet.

http://classics.mit....to/timaeus.html

http://en.wikipedia....'s_Atlantis.gif

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 10:33 PM

View PostAgonaces of Susa, on 16 November 2009 - 10:12 PM, said:


I see, hope you know Latin then you will learn first hand that Kircher did not put Atlantis in Antartica...in fact he did not even know that it existed. He was still expecting to find the Terra Australis Incognita where we know there is only Australia:

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 10:39 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 16 November 2009 - 10:33 PM, said:

I see, hope you know Latin then you will learn first hand that Kircher did not put Atlantis in Antartica...in fact he did not even know that it existed.
How did Kircher produce a map of Antarctica if he didn't know it existed?  The answer: because Atlantis is Antarctica!

Edited by Agonaces of Susa, 16 November 2009 - 10:45 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 10:49 PM

View PostAgonaces of Susa, on 16 November 2009 - 09:16 PM, said:

<br />Are you saying that Plato and Athanasius Kircher were not historical figures and persons of historical record?<br />
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LOL, yes, they existed.

Now show us that historical record that tells us that Antarctica was an Atlantian Empire.

Quotes will be sufficient.


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Posted 16 November 2009 - 10:50 PM

View PostAgonaces of Susa, on 16 November 2009 - 10:39 PM, said:

How did Kircher produce a map of Antarctica if he didn't know it existed?  The answer: because Atlantis is Antarctica!

He didn't, it's just your favorite interpretation.

Why don't you just admit that you got these ideas from Flem' Aht's book?

Or did you just pluck a quote from the internet, believing it was the source, and having no clue where it originally came from??

Well, in that case, let me assist yoü:

http://www.flem-ath....-in-antarctica/
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Edited by Abramelin, 16 November 2009 - 10:55 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2009 - 10:52 PM

View PostAgonaces of Susa, on 16 November 2009 - 10:39 PM, said:

How did Kircher produce a map of Antarctica if he didn't know it existed?  The answer: because Atlantis is Antarctica!

Because above it seez clearly that those two small islands to the right of "Atlantis" are the Canary Islands. They are most certainly NOT near Antarctica. in fact, they are nearer to the arctic.

ED, sorry the left. And that mass of land to the lower left is supposedly Spain (Hispania)

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 10:54 PM

I always liked plato's description for the location of atlantis in the atantic and the theory that when it sank it allowed the gulf stream to flow up towards the uk and europe, increasing their temporature and pushing back the glaciers. Maybe in conjunction with someother cataclysmic event it marked the ending of the last ice age. The ending of the last ice age would roughly correlate with platos date for the sinking of atlantis.
If the sinking had happened in stages then that might explain platos description of the impassable mud shoals
Its also curious that parts of the antiplano, lake titicaca region appear to have been greatly lifted up by geological upheaval.


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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:00 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 16 November 2009 - 10:50 PM, said:

He didn't, it's just your favorite interpretation.
Any child can see it.

And if Rand Flem-Ath can see it too it's probably because he's an intelligent observer.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:05 PM

View PostAgonaces of Susa, on 16 November 2009 - 11:00 PM, said:

Any child can see it.

And if Rand Flem-Ath can see it too it's probably because he's an intelligent observer.


He's imaginative, yes.

And his interpretation is your favorite one, so therefore it must be true.

OK, I get it now.


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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:06 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 16 November 2009 - 10:52 PM, said:

They are most certainly NOT near Antarctica.
Kircher knew exactly where the Canary Islands were...  :rolleyes:

The Canary Islands are nowhere on Kircher's map.

The islands off Antarctica are not the Canary Islands.

Edited by Agonaces of Susa, 16 November 2009 - 11:07 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:19 PM

View PostAgonaces of Susa, on 16 November 2009 - 11:06 PM, said:

Kircher knew exactly where the Canary Islands were...  :rolleyes:

The Canary Islands are nowhere on Kircher's map.

The islands off Antarctica are not the Canary Islands.

You are right, those are the Falklands or Australia... Problem is that in Kirchers time at least Australia was unknown. As I said, they were still looking for the Terra Australis Incognita. It was not until Cook that they knew it did not exist.

The secret of the above map is that the wood engraver mirrored the image, now if we put it right again and compare it with a normal map:
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It looks like it has to look, America to the left, Spain and Africa to the right and in the middle of both Atlantis.

Hint, you know that arrow that all maps have pointing to the North...look at the circle.

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