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#46    Drayno

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:20 PM

View Postninjadude, on 16 January 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

Gun control or even repealing the 2nd Amendment is NOT prohibition. Only the very social paranoids that hang out here and other places think that.

No, we do not have prohibition. Instead we have various people either doing the following, or proposing the following..
  • In MA they want people to store their "assault guns" at Government operated depots, not their homes
  • In New York they made a category of illegal guns out of currently legal guns; an example of Ex Post Facto gun laws that are unconstitutional, thus illegal
  • There is Feinstein's draconian gun bill that calls for a universal gun registration, a national gun database, fingerprinting
  • There are various federally and state endorsed gun buy back programs that advocate people disarming themselves voluntarily
  • One of the recent 23 Executive Orders that refers to seized guns; implying the intentions to seize certain guns owned by law-abiding citizens
Yes, there isn't outright prohibition, but we've begun to chip away at the Second Amendment.

Granted, we're following the footsteps of the Liberal Weimar Republic in the following ways..
  • Criminalizing various weapons in the hands of law-abiding citizens
  • Criminalizing people for owning weapons beyond the purposes of of hunting
  • Referencing shooting and hunting as the basis for gun ownership; whereas the Second Amendment is not exactly for said purposes
  • Making stringent gun control laws that apply to the people, but not politicians (politicians in the Weimar Republic were exempt)
  • There was already a prohibition on bolt-action rifles that had 5-shot magazines since 1919, and the 1928 law continued this
  • Ensuring that the police had records of all firearm acquisitions (a national database today is this dream realized)
Of course, all these laws were already present and had been enforced until 1933 when Hitler came to power and began disarming and eliminating "communists", or any one who was a political opponent or someone who was not a National Socialist. Afterwards the German gun laws were changed to encourage gun ownership - but only after Hitler established his cult of personality and fearsome secret police and killed all his opponents.

But apparently I'm a social paranoid, I guess. :P

Gun ownership seems to be made out to be a disease these days. I suppose common sense is being targeted as well.

Edited by Eonwe, 19 January 2013 - 11:29 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:54 AM

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One of the recent 23 Executive Orders that refers to seized guns; implying the intentions to seize certain guns owned by law-abiding citizens

It doesn't imply anything of the sort. Guns are seized for various reasons already, all justified...

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:20 AM

Basically this law is preparing my nation for civil war...

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:03 AM

Yes basically it is. Ive had to talk a few vets down lately they are so angry.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:13 PM

View PostStellar, on 20 January 2013 - 03:54 AM, said:

It doesn't imply anything of the sort. Guns are seized for various reasons already, all justified...

When guns are seized because of an Ex Post Facto law it is unconstitutional, thus illegal. As the Constitution is the law of the land, any attempts to subvert it show the true colors of those who would want to justify an unconstitutional law. When guns are seized as the direct result of an Executive Order that subverts Congress, it's an indication that there is an agenda and an upset in the separation of powers in our government.

Edited by Eonwe, 20 January 2013 - 10:16 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

Would social paranoia be considered a bad thing at this point. If your not fearful for your Basic Rights being stolen then are you are really feeling Human emotions ? Are you a Sheeple ? How can people be apathetic to there Rights or maybe they just dont know any better.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

So 30 days later, have all the guns in America disappeared?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

View PostEonwe, on 19 January 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

Of course, all these laws were already present and had been enforced until 1933 when Hitler came to power

Appealing to "Hitler did it" is a universally accepted sign that you've lost the argument.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:46 PM

View PostEonwe, on 20 January 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

When guns are seized because of an Ex Post Facto law it is unconstitutional, thus illegal. As the Constitution is the law of the land, any attempts to subvert it show the true colors of those who would want to justify an unconstitutional law. When guns are seized as the direct result of an Executive Order that subverts Congress, it's an indication that there is an agenda and an upset in the separation of powers in our government.

Please note that these are your "personal" beliefs that something is "unconstitutional"  and have no effect of actual law or constitutionality. No EO is seizing guns. More social paranoia.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:39 PM

View Postninjadude, on 21 January 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

Appealing to "Hitler did it" is a universally accepted sign that you've lost the argument.

And simply pointing that out is not a profound counter-argument. At least I drew up logical comparisons instead of shouting inane babble.

And common sense dictates that an unconstitutional law is not a law, and thus is a policy that does not have to be enforced.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:46 PM

I think we've got a good start with some sheriffs across the states saying they're not going to enforce any new gun laws.  Hopefully that snowball grows quickly.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:49 PM

36 sherrifs in my state are not going to enforce the federal gun ban.


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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:01 AM

I'm just saying, completely based on fact, the UK has a total gun ban.. They're #2 for the highest crime rate in the EU. America is #1 in the world for gun ownership with 88/100 people having guns. And we're 28 in the world for gun murders. Total crimes for the UK - which has a total gun ban? 11k people per 100k people. Total crimes for the US - which has more guns then anywhere else in the world? 4k people per 100k people.

Considering the US has a higher population density than the UK - and the US is larger than the EU in many regards, and considering nearly 9/10 people own a gun in America and America has more counties, cities, regions, and people - and yet has less crime - despite America's population versus Britain's?

Need I say more?

Edited by Eonwe, 22 January 2013 - 04:07 AM.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:15 AM

Sure. What else you got?

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:24 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 22 January 2013 - 04:15 AM, said:

Sure. What else you got?

You can't expect to disarm a population that was given a detailed explanation of how a right preexists government - especially a right that is one not to be infringed - that has to deal with providing an individual the means to protect themselves against government - while surrounding yourself with little children while you sign Executive Orders - while then little children are suspended for firing their fingers like guns; being construed as threats by the very same anti-gun criteria and mentality that was supposed to protect them.

Edited by Eonwe, 22 January 2013 - 04:25 AM.

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