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#1261    Abramelin

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:54 AM

View PostOtharus, on 07 October 2012 - 07:15 AM, said:

The OLB word "OD" has been discussed several times here, but thus far the following definition (which I think is the best) was not given. Source: Van Dale online dictionary - professional (English -> Dutch).

od  [ɒd, (Am.) ɑd] (telbaar zelfstandig naamwoord) (verouderd)
1.od (eertijds hypothetisch vooropgestelde natuurkracht ter verklaring van allerlei natuurverschijnselen)

translation:

formerly hypothetically postulated elementary force of nature, explaining miscellaneous natural phenomena

This would make the fragment (MS page 6) much better understandable:

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Dutch:
Wralda's od (?) trad tot hen binnen.
En nu baarden zij elk twaalf zonen en twaalf dochters


English:
Wralda's od (?) came into them.
And now they each bore twelve sons and twelve daughters


Yes we have posted that one, actually it was one of the first things we came up with: it's from Von Reichenbach.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:59 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 07 October 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

Yes we have posted that one, actually it was one of the first things we came up with: it's from Von Reichenbach.

No we didn't. I checked.
And R used it, but didn't make it up.
See meanings in Oldsaxon and Oldnorse, which are similar.

Edited by Otharus, 07 October 2012 - 11:09 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:01 AM

View PostOtharus, on 07 October 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Nice story VG, who wrote it?

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A big Zwaan family in North Holland descends from Cornelia Kofman-Reuvers (1818-1878), who owned the OLB manuscript till 1848, until her cousin Cornelis Over de Linden (1811-1874) became the owner (according to his account).


I can answer that one. It's from:

Deel II
Folklore van Saksen, Friezen en Franken

(Folklore of Saxons, Frisians and Franks)

http://laventana.nl/...lore1eDeel6.pdf


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:02 AM

View PostOtharus, on 07 October 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

No we didn't. I checked.
And if R. used it, he didn't make it up.
See meanings in Oldsaxon and Oldnorse, which are similar.

Oh yes we did, the moment I read your post, I immediately rememberd this Von Reichenbach.

OK, I will search part-1- of this thread.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:05 AM

Here it is:

http://www.unexplain...30#entry4087524

October 15, 2011:

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That's why I think 'od' must be seen in the meaning Reichenbach gave to it in 1845: vital energy or life force. .... and that would mean someone used that recent definition for 'od' in his creation of the OLB.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:12 AM

Of course I remember all that.
I wrote: "the following definition was not given".
It wasn't the same. Van Dale was not quoted.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:16 AM

View PostOtharus, on 07 October 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

Of course I remember all that.
I wrote: "the following definition was not given".
It wasn't the same. Van Dale was not quoted.

That definiton is based on Reichenbach's definition.

He is the original source, not the Van Dale dictionary.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:17 AM

Reichenbach used the word and probably redefined it.
You quoted Wikipedia, that referred to a publication by Theresa Levitt.
We did not know that Van Dale listed the word.
We don't know VD's source yet.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:18 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 07 October 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

That definiton is based on Reichenbach's definition.

He is the original source, not the Van Dale dictionary.

Can you prove that?


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:31 AM

I quote Wikipedia because then I won't have to translate.

But I was once very much into these things, and I can dig up an old book if you like.

Are you in any way suggesting the editors/compilers of the Van Dale dictionary used the OLB as source?


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:33 AM

You lack a keen eye for detail, indispensable for this project.

Your quote was from Wikipedia and it referred to a source that you did not read.
The new quote is from a professional source.

It may roughly mean the same, but it is not.

View PostAbramelin, on 07 October 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

Are you in any way suggesting the editors/compilers of the Van Dale dictionary used the OLB as source?

No


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:39 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 07 October 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

But I was once very much into these things, and I can dig up an old book if you like.

The fragment where Reichenbach defines his "od" would be relevant.

But if it means something like "spirit" in Old-Norse, and something like "fertilizing force" in Old-Saxon, then he didn't choose the word randomly and based it on a much older word with similar meaning.

Anyway, the Van Dale definition is now "scientifically sound" (wetenschappelijk verantwoord).

Leuven University's library does not seem to have Rechenbach's 1845 publication.

Edited by Otharus, 07 October 2012 - 11:45 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:45 AM

Odisch-magnetische Briefe - Karl Reichenbach (Freiherr von) / 1852
http://books.google....id=nyU4AAAAYAAJ

http://books.google....epage&q&f=false


And here it is in modern letters:


2. Brief

Das Od, ein Zweig der Naturkräfte. Die Kristalle, ihr Leuchten und ihre Gefühlserregungen. Die Dunkelkammer.

16. Brief

Der Erdmagnetismus und das Erdod. Leitungsgeschwindigkeit. Strahlung. Tragweite. Odische Atmosphäre der Menschen in Gesundheit und Krankheit, Odoskop. Etymologie des Wortes Od. Schluß.


Ich nehme daher hier von Ihnen Abschied. Sie kennen jetzt die Erscheinung dessen, was ich Od genannt habe, nach seinen äußern Umrissen.

http://lebendige-eth..._Briefe_de.html


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:49 AM

View PostOtharus, on 07 October 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

You lack a keen eye for detail, indispensable for this project.

Your quote was from Wikipedia and it referred to a source that you did not read.
The new quote is from a professional source.

It may roughly mean the same, but it is not.



No

I may lack a keen eye for detail, but I found what you couldn't find.

"Es ändert in den verschiedenen alten Idiomen ab in Wodan, Odan, Odin, wo es die alldurchdringende Kraft bezeichnet, die zuletzt in einer germanischen Gottheit personifiziert wird. "OD", ist also das Lautzeichen für ein alles in der gesamten Natur mit unaufhaltsamer Kraft rasch durchdringendes und durchströmendes Dynamid."

It changes from the various ancient idioms, in Woden, Odan, Odin, where it denotes the all-pervading force last personified in a Germanic deity. "OD", ie the phonetic symbol for everything throughout nature with unstoppable force rapidly penetrating and flowing through Dynamid

1852, Von Reichenbach,

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Edited by Abramelin, 07 October 2012 - 11:55 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:56 AM

That was fast indeed. It is not that I could not find it; I just had not tried yet.

So he slightly redefined it for his theories, but did not make it up as he also says it already meant "alldurchdringende Kraft" (all-penetrating force), which would have been personified in deities like Odin/ Wodan.

Edited by Otharus, 07 October 2012 - 11:58 AM.





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