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[Still Waters]

Now that scientists have belatedly declared that mammals, birds and many other animals are conscious, it is time for society to act.

ARE animals conscious? This question has a long and venerable history. Charles Darwin asked it when pondering the evolution of consciousness. His ideas about evolutionary continuity - that differences between species are differences in degree rather than kind - lead to a firm conclusion that if we have something, "they" (other animals) have it too.

http://www.newscient...ed-as-such.html

[questionmark]

That is something that was known for quite a while. Yes animals should be treated with the respect they deserve and animals should have rights. But that does not take away the fact that it will be humans who will "award" these rights and not the animals who will fight for it.

That means that animals will remain in our food chain... we just have to get accustomed to the idea that we don't have to torture something before we want to eat it.

[notoverrated]

knew my dog could understand me >.> that sneaky mutt, plays stupid all day long

[Imaginarynumber1]

Pretty sure my cat is actively trying to kill me.
Pretty sure all cats are actively trying to kill all humans.

[None of the above]

Of course animals are conscious. They have the same emotions as us, the same basic motivations, they are the same as us! All of what makes us 'US' we share with our animal cousins.
We are all 'animals'. It's not anthropomorphism to recognise these similarities, it's simple common sense and basic observation.

We 'devalue' other forms of life to excuse mistreating them.

Edited by Atlantia, 25 September 2012 - 11:29 AM.

[None of the above]

Imaginarynumber1, on 25 September 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

Pretty sure my cat is actively trying to kill me.
Pretty sure all cats are actively trying to kill all humans.

For sure, haven't you seen the film:
"Honey I shrunk the Kids... and the Cat's eaten them"?

[Imaginarynumber1]

I'm in no way arguing that animals should be mistreated, but I am also in no way going to stop eating their delicious flesh.

[None of the above]

Imaginarynumber1, on 25 September 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

I'm in no way arguing that animals should be mistreated, but I am also in no way going to stop eating their delicious flesh.

"Animals are my friends..... and I don't eat my friends"
-George Bernard Shaw

Spend a day in a slaughterhouse then define 'mistreatment' for me.

[Hartmut]

Hi Still Waters,
If we can accept, or at least consider, that the Energy/Force, popularly knows as God, exist - as proposed by Professor Sheldrakee's 'Morphic Field' or the various 'String' 'Dark matter' etc.theories by Hawkins and others....
- than we may realise that we are not God, but certainly a part of that unknown God-Like Energy, which has manifested into THE EVERYTHING that is - in and on every level of existence.
If so, than we are all connected and in that sense there are no "aliens", or animals which are not a part of that ONE Creative Force; which in my opinion gives ALL living creatures conscious awareness - and therefore need and must be respected.

Edited by Hartmut, 25 September 2012 - 11:45 AM.

[Imaginarynumber1]

Atlantia, on 25 September 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

"Animals are my friends..... and I don't eat my friends"
-George Bernard Shaw

Spend a day in a slaughterhouse then define 'mistreatment' for me.

I've been to a slaughterhouse before. I've also prepared my own meats before. Still tasty.

[Render]

i think this is very much related:
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=234619

and also the threads that have gone before that about kittens whose eyelids were sewed together as experiments.
And also a thread about cockroaches being controlled with chip implants.
And now also a new thread about worms' behaviour being controlled.


serious high scaled debates are needed again obviously.

[None of the above]

Imaginarynumber1, on 25 September 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

I've been to a slaughterhouse before. I've also prepared my own meats before. Still tasty.

So would you use those same 'humane' methods of killing to dispatch a beloved pet for example?
Or terminally ill relative?

Mistreatment is relative.  I of course would consider the act of killing itself to be a most extreme form of 'mistreatment', but even within the sphere of the euphemism of 'humane kiling' there is a lot of 'room'.

[None of the above]

Hartmut, on 25 September 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Hi Still Waters,
If we can accept, or at least consider, that the Energy/Force, popularly knows as God, exist - as proposed by Professor Sheldrakee's 'Morphic Field' or the various 'String' 'Dark matter' etc.theories by Hawkins and others....
- than we may realise that we are not God, but certainly a part of that unknown God-Like Energy, which has manifested into THE EVERYTHING that is - in and on every level of existence.
If so, than we are all connected and in that sense there are no "aliens", or animals which are not a part of that ONE Creative Force; which in my opinion gives ALL living creatures conscious awareness - and therefore need and must be respected.

Beautiful, I can only highlight in gold!

The force is strong in you.

[Imaginarynumber1]

Atlantia, on 25 September 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

So would you use those same 'humane' methods of killing to dispatch a beloved pet for example?
Or terminally ill relative?

Mistreatment is relative.  I of course would consider the act of killing itself to be a most extreme form of 'mistreatment', but even within the sphere of the euphemism of 'humane kiling' there is a lot of 'room'.

I volunteer in a wildlife shelter. I put animals down all day. I guess I'm just desensitized to it.

[Hartmut]

Atlantia, on 25 September 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Beautiful, I can only highlight in gold!

The force is strong in you.

Thank you, - Live long and prosper !
For light entertainment:

Edited by Hartmut, 25 September 2012 - 12:42 PM.