Relativity without Einstein's False Postulate

[Pentcho Valev]

There is a growing panic in Einstein's criminal cult. Einstein's second postulate is false: the speed of light does depend on the speed of the light source or observer. Of course relativity hypnotists knew it all along but the huge army of bellicose zombies did not. Now the situation has changed: zombies are demoralized and do not destroy heretics efficiently. Hypnotists try to make some more money by creating a relativity without Einstein's second postulate:

http://www.worldscibooks.com/physics/4114.html

http://www.thegreatdebate.org.uk/VSLReview1.html

http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch10.pdf p.35 ("Relativity without c")

Yet the panic remains. Everybody remembers Einstein's confession:

"If the speed of light is the least bit affected by the speed of the light source, then my whole theory of relativity and theory of gravity is false."

Soon hypnotists will verify Einstein's words by removing the principle of constancy of the speed of light and introducing the principle of variability of the speed of light in Einstein's original 1905 paper:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/

For instance, in the equations at the beginning of

§ 3. Theory of the Transformation of Co-ordinates and Times from a Stationary System to another System in Uniform Motion of Translation Relatively to the Former

hypnotists will replace c+v and c-v (remnants of the old constant-speed-of-light period) with c (the revolutionary variable-speed-of-light contribution) and so will obtain

tau = t, instead of the equation tau = a(t - (v/(c^2 - v^2))x')

This will be the new revolutionary theory of relativity where Einstein's false second postulate is absent. Some may say this is a return to Newton but hypnotists will say it isn't. Nobel prizes will follow.

Pentcho Valev

[aquatus1]

There is a growing panic in Einstein's criminal cult. Einstein's second postulate is false: the speed of light does depend on the speed of the light source or observer. Of course relativity hypnotists knew it all along but the huge army of bellicose zombies did not. Now the situation has changed: zombies are demoralized and do not destroy heretics efficiently. Hypnotists try to make some more money by creating a relativity without Einstein's second postulate:

You seriously expect people to take this argument seriously with an introduction like that?

[Harks]

I did not know Einstein had a criminal cult. What is a relativity hypnotists? and where did all thes zombies come into it? Must of been some extraordinary times.

[Waspie_Dwarf]

All the science study I did and it was all for nothing. Now I find out I should have visited a hypnotist.

[Shai_Hulud]

the least bit affected by the speed of the light source, then my whole theory of relativity and theory of gravity is false."

Never knew Einstein to utter those words, speed of light is independent on the velocity of light source. Light is a constant, proven by practical experiments involving high velocity particles. There is no new thpughts or phenomenon that suggest otherwise, unless you care to list yourself as one?

[Blizno]

Never knew Einstein to utter those words, speed of light is independent on the velocity of light source. Light is a constant, proven by practical experiments involving high velocity particles. There is no new thpughts or phenomenon that suggest otherwise, unless you care to list yourself as one?

It doesn't matter if he did. If he did, he was stating, correctly, that his theory would fall apart IF the speed of light isn't constant. He wasn't suggesting or implying that the speed of light is not constant. Quoting that as some sort of proof that Einstein didn't believe that speed of light is constant is nonsense.

"Everybody remembers Einstein's confession..."

Using the word "confession" is a deliberate lie. Stop lying.

If you have something, anything, suggesting that the speed of light isn't constant in a vacumn, please show it to us. Your calling people names and insulting everyone who doesn't agree with you only wastes our time.

[RabidCat]

The speed of light isn't a constant.

Everybody who has done research on this knows that quite well.

Speed of light varies from season to season, with the phase of the moon, with sunspots, etc and so on. Find it out yourself. The speed we all know and love is little more than an average of many attempts.

The sad fact of science is that nature itself is constantly changing, see chaos theory. Things do, and things don't. Experiments don't work until someone shows they do, then they seem to work. And others quit working.

Much of science (Einstein and all the others) is based on incorrect theories that are plausible at the time of construct. Period. Einstein was wrong. Einstein was right. The only theory that seems to really hold water is Heisenberg's uncertainty theorem. And Schroedinger, Heisenberg, Dirac et al don't like it but agree with it.

So whether you like it or not, everybody's right, and everybody's wrong.

"And ye harm none, do what ye will."

[Blizno]

The speed of light isn't a constant.

Everybody who has done research on this knows that quite well.

Speed of light varies from season to season, with the phase of the moon, with sunspots, etc and so on. Find it out yourself. The speed we all know and love is little more than an average of many attempts.

The sad fact of science is that nature itself is constantly changing, see chaos theory. Things do, and things don't. Experiments don't work until someone shows they do, then they seem to work. And others quit working.

Much of science (Einstein and all the others) is based on incorrect theories that are plausible at the time of construct. Period. Einstein was wrong. Einstein was right. The only theory that seems to really hold water is Heisenberg's uncertainty theorem. And Schroedinger, Heisenberg, Dirac et al don't like it but agree with it.

So whether you like it or not, everybody's right, and everybody's wrong.

"And ye harm none, do what ye will."

Are you sure it's speed of light you're talking about and not intensity or frequency?

[aquatus1]

It does sound an awful lot like Rabid Cat is talking about frequency and intensity of light as it travels through a medium (which is the only reason I can think of to refer to sunspots and seasons). The speed of light, however, refers to the speed of light as it travels through a vaccum, which basically defines Einstein's Constant, C. By definition, C will not change (since it is a definition of a constant itself).

Whether or not the actual speed of light in a vaccum changes is a topic that has been under continous debate since before Einstein, however. Currently, all the evidence points to the speed of light being a constant, however there are some intriguing ideas that the speed of light may have actually been variable a few milliseconds after the Big Bang, and even some speculation that the speed of light has been slowing down since the Big Bang, but in a manner so low that we are not able to measure it yet. None of these, however, have made it to the official Theory stage yet.

[hyperactive]

VSL is not new.

here are some links:

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6092

http://newphysicstheory.com/A%20New%20Gamma.htm

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/ref/variable_speed_of_light

[neXus2006]

First:

I dont know, he just presented theory by this simple formula E=mc2.

He took that the speed of light is constant 300.000km/s. Then he said:

"If the speed of light is the least bit affected by the speed of the light source, then my whole theory of relativity and theory of gravity is false."

But the problem isn't affection of the light source, it's affection of other objects that are emitting energy. Even the reflection of the light itself on any surface of any color, even black, effects the light, so in order to travel with the speed of light to alfa centauri or quadrant 6, we would need a spacecraft with the computer so strong that it could manipulate with avoidable variables, for the light/spacecraft that will avoid planet or asteroid.....etc., in speed faster than 300.000 km/s, in any 3D angle from home point. So the computer in that ship must be in the form of light during "speed of light" flight. Question is how the data of flight will be stored?

Second:

The twin fenomena, one in rocket one on Earth, is totaly wrong. To take the variable of gravity, it will only affect your body making you older or making you younger. The time is constant, for it's spoken in every day life, even thru Bible, "The Beginning", and every body speaks of "The End". For example if you go 200 km/h in any direction every day any time, would it make you younger or older than your twin standing in the same place? Actualy yes, because everything affects everything, but if my twin or your/someone elses twin goes on Alfa Centaury, by E=mc2 formula, don't know the distance, for example flight at that speed will be 10 "Earths" years, distance blah,blah,balh kilometres, it will take 10 years and no more. Best of all, Concord max speed 2172 km/h flight will be around 6 hours from Paris to Tokyo, or whatever, but it will take around 6 hours.

Edited April 24, 2006 by neXus2006

[donrobison]

I love science, because with it I am unaffected by people like you. Maybe the speed of light isnt constant, but only a complete idiot and amateur would say this without providing a PROOF!!!! If what you say is correct, then if I go near the speed of light in one direction and shine a light backwards, light will stand still. Please explain to me how light can stand still in a vacuum.

[Waspie_Dwarf]

I love science, because with it I am unaffected by people like you.

If you are unaffected by it then there is no need for name calling. Debate the issues by all means but please refrain from calling people idiots. That can only lead to unpleasentness.

Thank you.

[Hehe]

Pentcho Valev... who are, what do you do and why bother writning such nonsense and not engage in open discussions.

http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/valevfaq.htm

Apparently you are quite the harlequine in the science community, but i guess in these kind of forums you gain credibility/"become infamous" among the conspiracy theorists and weakminded.