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[TheLastLazyGun]

Arbenol68, on 13 July 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

I didn't say I find them equally revolting

But if you really think the EDL is harmless and peaceful you should take a look at their website discussion board. More than a few comments along the lines of : "Now I'm not saying Hitler was perfect, but...."

What makes you think that everyone who posts on an EDL website is a member of the EDL?

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These guys are ideologues promoting a nationalist agenda - nothing good will come of it.

These guys are trying to do something about Islamic terrorism and the attempts by the Islamofascists to turn England into a brutal and medieval Islamic Caliphate.  Our useless leftwing leaders aren't going to do anything about it - they can't wait until Islam takes over England - so now ordinary citizens have taken the matter into their owns hands to protect their great country from Islamification.

The EDL need to be supported in their noble cause.

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itsnotoutthere, on 13 July 2012 - 07:25 AM, said:

Hmm.......One of these 'groups' follows a religion that calls for the death of anyone that doesn't follow that religion, & on a regular basis follows through on that threat. That same group treat their women (all women) as second class citizens. That same group of people call for the death of homosexuals & jews. That same group carry so called 'honour killings' on their own children. The same group want to introduce religious courts based on their religious practices that would bypass the laws of the country that we all live in.

The other group demonstrate in the streets to call for an end to the above.......& you vilify both equally,.....

strange days indeed.

There was an EDL demonstration in Rochdale the other day over the fact that many young Muslim men in certain areas of England target young white girls for sexual abuse.  Rochdale, of course, is where several young Pakistani men prayed on young white girls and they were eventually jailed.  But many in our leftwing ruling elite still try to believe that such a problem - Muslim men targeting young white girls for sexual abuse - doesn't exist, despite the vast evidence to the contrary and some experts saying that more needs to be done to prevent it.

But what happened after the protest?  Several newspapers attacked those EDL protesters in Rochdale over their "racism" and "Islamophobia" and there were the usual and predictable pictures of white bald men with their mouths wide open, their faces contorted and their fingers pointing as they scream something.  Of course, these pictures are usually of newspaper staff members or some actors and not actually EDL members.

Needless to say, in the comments section underneath those articles on the newspapers' websites there were several comments from people who said things along the lines of: "The EDL in Rochdale were protesting against the fact that not enough is being done to prevent Muslim men of Pakistani origin targetting young white girls, so how is that racist?"

There was also an EDL demo in Luton in which many Sikhs were involved.  The demo was over the fact that police in the town are not doing enough to prevent Sikh women being attacked by Muslim men and are not doing enough to prevent Muslim men grooming young white girls in the town.  As one of the protesters righly said: "When the police fail protecting the community and fail to protect our daughters, we have to do it"

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Arbenol68, on 13 July 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

I could be wrong, but I don't think I ever heard anyone from the SNP identifying with Hitler.

The SNP are a racist group like the BNP but the SNP is racist against a different group of people than the BNP are.  Both are racist and bigotted groups, unlike the EDL.

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[Arbenol68]

TheLastLazyGun, on 15 July 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Our useless leftwing leaders aren't going to do anything about it - they can't wait until Islam takes over England

Do you see the current government as being "leftwing"?. I thought they were Tories.  And why can't they wait for Britain to be Islamicised?

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I think that the US is only one more major attack like 911 away from such groups forming here.  Of course, they would be hunted down with MUCH greater zeal than those who actually attacked.

[Cradle of Fish]

and then, on 13 July 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Really?  Like, Thou shalt not murder? or Lie or steal?  Which ones in particular are most at fault for the mess humanity is in?  Big difference between God's law and man's use of them.

Find me a theocracy in history that was truly successful.

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Cradle of Fish, on 16 July 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Find me a theocracy in history that was truly successful.

I was not advocating for a Theocracy.  I was answering this statement:
because history has shown that God's Law, no matter the flavour is incredibly detrimental to humanity.
When I think of God's law I think of the 10 commandments, not a Theocratic government.  All governments are corrupt and detrimental but following the basic tenets of Judeo Christian laws is not, it is only beneficial.

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and then, on 16 July 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

I was not advocating for a Theocracy.  I was answering this statement:
because history has shown that God's Law, no matter the flavour is incredibly detrimental to humanity.
When I think of God's law I think of the 10 commandments, not a Theocratic government.  All governments are corrupt and detrimental but following the basic tenets of Judeo Christian laws is not, it is only beneficial.

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As far as I can remember, only three of the commandments are the basis for laws - murder, theft and perjury. Lying is only a crime in certain instances, particularly when you lie to the authorities. Several of them go against the very foundations of what makes modern society great. If people didn't covet would capitalism exist? And what room is there for atheists and polytheists when "thou shalt have no gods except me"?

I think you'll find that the ten commandments are in the Quran as well. The Bible says to kill homosexuals, adulterers and men who grow their hair long. The Quran says that apostates and women who dishonour their families are to be put to death also. The only justification either gives is that God commands it. All practical applications of biblical and quranic law produce terrible nations. The people who are fleeing those nations need to recognise the problem and adapt accordingly.

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Arbenol68, on 15 July 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

Do you see the current government as being "leftwing"?. I thought they were Tories.  And why can't they wait for Britain to be Islamicised?

It doesn't matter what party is in power.  They are all the same as each other and all leftwing and have mainly been so since the Sixties.

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[FLOMBIE]

Indeed, especially this leftwing puppet Maggie Thatcher.

[itsnotoutthere]

FLOMBIE, on 17 July 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Indeed, especially this leftwing puppet Maggie Thatcher.

Ironically the only prime minister in the last 50 years that had a pair.

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[Arbenol68]

TheLastLazyGun, on 17 July 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

It doesn't matter what party is in power.  They are all the same as each other and all leftwing and have mainly been so since the Sixties.

I actually agree with you here. Not just in Britain but it applies to all similar nations. And a better place the world is for it. Increases in rights, tolerance.....what's not to like. Oh, and just as an added bonus it really pisses off those who have posters of Enoch Powell up on their bedroom walls.

[itsnotoutthere]

Wow, 58 comments so far & only 2 concerned with muslims armed with weapons & explosive devices intending to cause harm, what a crazy world we find ourselves in.

[itsnotoutthere]

Arbenol68, on 18 July 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

I actually agree with you here. Not just in Britain but it applies to all similar nations. And a better place the world is for it. Increases in rights, tolerance.....what's not to like. Oh, and just as an added bonus it really pisses off those who have posters of Enoch Powell up on their bedroom walls.

How about :-


1. On economic growth

Longest and deepest recession. Gordon Brown has given Britain the longest and deepest recession on record (ONS, Time Series ABMI). Britain has had the longest recession in the G20 with six consecutive quarters of negative growth – more than any other major economy (Principal Global Indicators).

Record decline in manufacturing. Between 1997 Q2 and 2009 Q3, manufacturing as a share of GDP declined by 9.3 percentage points, from 20.7 per cent of GDP to 11.4 per cent of GDP – the fastest decline under any government since records began in 1980 (ONS Time Series QTPI & QVYR).

2. On national debt

Largest budget deficit. In 2010, the UK is expected to have the largest budget deficit of any major economy at 11.4 per cent of GDP (IMF, World Economic Outlook Database).

National debt has doubled – and is set to double again. Gordon Brown has doubled the national debt. In fact, on Labour’s own figures, by 2014-15 Gordon Brown would have quadrupled the national debt compared to 1997 (HM Treasury, Public Finances Databank, Table A7).

3. On jobs

Record economic inactivity. 8.16 million working age people are classed as economically inactive – the highest number since records began in 1971 (ONS, Labour Market Statistics, April 2010).

Youth unemployment rising again. Under Labour, youth unemployment reached a record high, and now it is rising again. One in five young people is unable to find a job (ONS, Labour Market Statistics, April 2010).

4. On government waste

Billions spent on quangos. There are now 1,148 quangos which employ 534,000 staff and cost the taxpayer £90 billion (Taxpayers Alliance, ACA to YJB: A Guide to the UK’s Semi-Autonomous Public Bodies, 26 October 2009).

NHS computer system has doubled in cost. The new NHS computer system was originally intended to cost £6.2 billion but costs have now doubled to over £13 billion (Public Accounts Committee, The National Programme for IT in the NHS, March 2007; National Audit Office, The National Programme for IT in the NHS: Progress since 2006, 16 May 2008).

DCFS contemplation suite and massage room. £3 million has been spent on lavish new offices at the Department of Children, Schools and Families, including a massage room and a contemplation suite (The Daily Mail, 29 September 2009).

5. On the NHS

More deaths from hospital infections than road accidents. There have been almost 44,000 deaths from MRSA and Clostridium difficile under Labour (ONS, 19 August 2009; Hansard, 10 September 2008, Col.1882WA). Hospital-acquired infections now kill more than three times as many people as are killed on the roads every year (Department for Transport, Road Casualties in Great Britain 2008, 24 September 2009).

Number of managers growing faster than nurses. The number of managers in the NHS is increasing more than five times as fast as the number of nurses (NHS workforce statistics, 25 March 2010).

Cancer death rates some of the worst in Europe. There are still more deaths from cancer in the UK than in most other European countries. Germany, for example, has almost 10 per cent fewer deaths from cancer than we do. And the gap between the number of deaths from cancer in Europe and the UK has progressively widened since 1997 (OECD Health Data 2009).

6. On schools

School standards falling. The UK has fallen down the world league tables in English, maths and science. Since the first OECD comparative study on education was conducted in 2001, the UK has fallen from 8th to 24th place in maths. In reading, the UK has fallen from 7th to 17th place, and in science from 4th to 14th place. We are now below countries like Liechtenstein and Estonia (OECD, Programme for International Student Assessment, December 2007).

Truancy and poor discipline. Every school day, over 1,000 pupils are excluded for abuse and assault and 67,000 pupils play truant (DCSF, Permanent and Fixed Period Exclusions from Schools in England 2007/08, 30 July 2009; DCSF, Pupil Absence from Schools in England, including pupil characteristics, 21 April 2009).

7. On crime

Over 100 serious knife crimes a day. In 2008-09, there were 38,082 serious offences involving a knife – including homicide, attempted murder and robbery – equivalent to more than 100 a day (Home Office, Crime in England and Wales 2008-9, 21 January 2010, Revised Table 3.10).

Violence against the person increased by 44 per cent. Recorded levels of violence against the person increased by 44 per cent between 1998-99 and 2008-09. These figures take account of changing recording practices over the period so the comparison is statistically valid (House of Commons Library Note, February 2010).

80,000 prisoners released early. Figures released last week show that between June 2007 and April 2010, 81,578 prisoners were released early on Labour’s controversial ‘end of custody licence’ scheme (Ministry of Justice, End of Custody Licence releases and recalls, 30 April 2010).

8. On pensioners

2 million pensioners in poverty. There are 2 million pensioners in poverty today (DWP, Households Below Average Income 2007-08, May 2009, table 6.3tr, measured after housing costs). This is a rise of 100,000 since the last election.

Devastating tax on pensions. One of Gordon Brown’s first acts on becoming Chancellor in 1997 was to impose a tax on pensions of £5 billion a year. Over 100,000 occupational pension schemes have been wound up or have begun the process of winding up since Labour took office in 1997 (Hansard, 11 November 2009, Col. 570W).

9. On poverty

Inequality growing. The income of the poorest 20 per cent of households has been falling for the past three years and is now £7 a week lower in real terms than in 2004-05. Over the same period, the richest 20 per cent of households have seen their incomes grow in real terms by £30 a week (DWP, Households Below Average Income 2007/08 Full Report, 7 May 2009, p.20, table 2.1ts).

Child poverty rising. Child poverty has risen for the third year in a row (DWP, Households Below Average Income First Release, 7 May 2009, p.1). There are now four million children living in poverty.

Doubled the tax rate for some of the poorest. In the 2007 Budget, Labour scrapped the 10p tax rate, doubling the rate for some of the poorest to 20p. The Treasury estimated that 5.3 million households lost from the April 2008 changes announced in the 2007 Budget (Hansard, 18 October 2007, Col. 1266 WA). While the IFS said that, even after compensation, there were still 0.9 million people worse off (IFS Briefing Note 77, ‘The 10% tax rate: where next?’).

10. On the Armed Forces

Misleading over defence spending. On 10 March 2010, Gordon Brown claimed that ‘the defence budget has been rising every year since 1997’ (Hansard, 10 March 2010, col. 291). A week later, on 17 March, he admitted ‘I do accept that in one or two years defence expenditure did not rise in real terms’ (Hansard, 17 March 2010, col. 869). Figures from the Ministry of Defence show that the defence budget fell year-on-year in real terms on four occasions in 1997 – in 1998, 1999, 2002 and 2007 (Figures provided by the Ministry of Defence for Channel 4 Factcheck, 10 March 2010).

Helicopter budget cut. In 2004, the MoD cut the 10-year projected helicopter budget by £1.4 billion, and cut annual helicopter expenditure by 75 per cent from 2001 to 2007 (House of Commons library; Hansard, 3 June 2009, col. 552WA). Lord Guthrie, former Chief of the Defence Staff, said ‘I have no doubt whatever that, with additional helicopters, some of the lives that have been lost would have been saved’ (Lords Hansard, 6 November 2009, col. 524).

11. On sleaze

Mandelson resigns – twice. First, for accepting a soft loan to buy a house in London, despite a conflict of interest arising as a result of Mandelson’s appointment as Secretary of State for Trade and Industry in 1998. The second time, for helping the controversial Indian tycoon, Mr Srichand Hinduja, to secure British citizenship. Hinduja had pledged £1 million to the Millennium Dome project, with which Mandelson was closely associated (BBC News Online, 24 January 2001; BBC News Online, 23 December 2008).

Bernie Ecclestone and Formula One. In 1997, Labour’s manifesto pledged to ban tobacco advertising. But following a secret £1 million donation to the Labour Party from Bernie Ecclestone, Labour changed its policy (BBC News Online, 22 September 2000).

David Blunkett resigns – twice. First, for fast-tracking a claim for indefinite leave to remain for his lover’s nanny. For the second time, for failing to clear his appointment with DNA Bioscience, a company that was bidding for government work, with the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments (BBC News Online, 2 November 2005).

12. On spin and feuds

Jo Moore. Jo Moore, Stephen Byers’s special adviser, sent a memo on 11 September 2001, suggesting it would be a good time to ‘bury’ controversial stories (BBC News Online, 10 October 2001).

‘Forces of hell’ unleashed on Darling. Alistair Darling admitted that Gordon Brown and Number 10, including Charlie Whelan and Damian McBride, had unleashed the ‘forces of hell’ against him after conceding that the UK economy was in a poor state (Sky News, 22 February 2010). Andrew Rawnsley’s book described how: ‘Damian McBride, Brown’s spin doctor, was also spreading poison against Darling. “He told every journalist who had access to a pencil that Alistair’s interview was a disaster. There was the most absolutely vicious briefing against him,”’ (The End of the Party, Andrew Rawnsley; reported in The Observer, 21 February 2010).

Charlie Whelan forced to resign over briefing against Mandelson. Charlie Whelan was forced to resign as Gordon Brown’s press secretary after it was suggested that he was responsible for leaking the information that led to Peter Mandelson’s first resignation from Government (BBC News Online, 4 January 1999)

Damian McBride conceived false smears against opponents. Deliberate smears against senior Conservatives were planned by Gordon Brown’s spin doctor, Damian McBride, with Derek Draper, a former adviser to Peter Mandelson. Charlie Whelan was also copied in to these planning emails (The Guardian, 29 April 2009).

13. On character

Bottled the election. After months of walking his troops up the hill – appointing a general election co-ordinator, beginning to write a manifesto, hiring an advertising agency – Brown bottled it. On 6 October, after months of dithering, he finally announced that there would not be a general election in 2007 (Speech at Special Labour Party Conference, 24 June 2007; The Times, 1 August 2007; Labour Party Press Release, 13 September 2007; and BBC Online News, 6 October 2007).

Calling Gillian Duffy a ‘bigot’. At a walkabout in Rochdale last Wednesday, after speaking to a pensioner called Gillian Duffy, Gordon Brown was recorded telling an aide in his car: ‘That was a disaster - they should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? It's just ridiculous.’ When asked what she had said, he replied: ‘Ugh everything! She's just a sort of bigoted woman that said she used to be Labour. I mean it's just ridiculous. I don't know why Sue brought her up towards me’ (Gallery News, 28 April 2010).

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