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#151    CT1993

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:21 AM

View PostLeft-Field, on 09 May 2013 - 04:16 AM, said:

Telling us such things still doesn't provide us the source. We would need the names of the geneticist and the person claimed to the "foremost authority on skeletal abnormality's" - or at least the name of the institutions at which the studies were conducted - in order to really have the sources identified here.

I'm not saying the tests weren't done, but unless names are given we really don't know who did what here.

Yea no doubt dude but i just found this video like an hour ago ok i posted this so others can do their own dam research.

Don't mean to sound rude but you guy's can do your own research i don't have all the  answers i still have to do my own research
c'mon man don't be lazy now  .


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:28 AM

View PostCT1993, on 09 May 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Well that's a weird thing to say seeing as how he got the disclosure project up which is more then ANYONE is doing in the field of aliens and UFO's.

it's not like he's making stuff up like most people out there claiming to be whistle blowers.

Greer has a passion with this type of thing so he put it to himself to gather up Credible people and get them to swear to oath what they seen was real.

I mean like what have you done to get this world moving forward

Why are you taking it so personal?

And what has Greer done to move the world forward? He's made claim after claim, but he's yet to have backed them up with anything substantial; instead saying that he needs more funding for his research. As for the 6" alien:

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It changed hands a few times, eventually ending up in Spain.
That’s where it came to the attention of Dr. Greer, an American ufologist best-known for founding the Disclosure Project. He probably heard about the humanoid during the Exopolitical Symposium held near Barcelona in 2009 (he was a presenter). Last year, he announced that his Center for the Study of ET Intelligence had gained access to the body, and would need funding to carry out scientific tests. He released a single photo and an X-ray of the "humanoid", failing to mention it had already been in the Chilean tabloid press nine years earlier. In late October, he announced the body had been examined by "experts" using X-rays and CT scans, but still wouldn’t release more photos or give the names of the scientists working with him. For a disclosure advocate, Greer doesn’t like to disclose much. He would only say that "one of the world’s top geneticists" was studying DNA samples from the alien, and the "world’s foremost authority on skeletal abnormalities" had pronounced the skeleton non-human.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:31 AM

It says here http://www.ibtimes.c...man-dna-1229181 that it's of Earthly origins and that it's roughly 900 yrs old. The thing lived for 6-8 yrs .

I'm questioning how could something that seriously deformed live for 6-8 years, 900 ago. Even with todays technology/drugs that would be a huge challenge. Just because the DNA is similar to ours does not mean it's human in my opinion


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:32 AM

View PostCT1993, on 09 May 2013 - 04:21 AM, said:

Yea no doubt dude but i just found this video like an hour ago ok i posted this so others can do their own dam research.

Don't mean to sound rude but you guy's can do your own research i don't have all the  answers i still have to do my own research
c'mon man don't be lazy now .

I'm not being lazy. You are being defensive however (and rude despite stating you don't want to come off that way). All I said is that the video does not provide us the actual sources. I even noted that that doesn't imply the tests weren't carried out, but that right now we do not know who did what. That being the case we don't know whether the sources are reputable or not.

Please don't lump me in with "you guys" when I never stated anything dismissing what has been reported. I find the topic interesting and will follow it.  I may even try and find more info on it myself.

The article states 'Sirius' was released on April 22nd. So I would like to think more information about the video can be found somewhere. At the moment though I (and you apparently) still don't know who performed any of the studies and how reputable they are - if they are at all.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:41 AM

Well i just did a little research and this is what i found it turn out to be deformed human even thought it seems close to impossible for a human to live 6-8 years being only 6 inches.

i seen someone comment it could even be a carving made out of a femur bone this sounds very possible in conjunction with the results saying it's 6-8 years old maybe the bone it was carved out of was 6-8 years old. anyways sorry all

here's the link i found the information on



But also im not sure if i fully believe this still


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:55 AM

lmao i posted the wrong link that was a some good ol' bob marley i was listening to but you can't go wrong with marley!

here's the link i was talking about.

http://www.dailymail...ocumentary.html


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:11 AM

Analysis of the Atacama humanoid alien

Posted by: Antonio Huneeus April 11, 2013

We posted earlier this week a story outlining the origin of the alleged tiny ET creature to be showcased in Dr. Steven Greer’s Sirius documentary to be released later this month. We chronicled how this creature was none other than a case known in Chile as the La Noria ET from 2003; the name comes from a ghost town of the nitrate era in this part of Chile’s northern Atacama Desert region. We left the story sort of in a cliff hanger as to what happened to it once it was acquired by a Spanish businessman from Barcelona.

We’ve discovered since a number of things, including the original 7 minute TV program about the case aired by Chile’s Megavisión Channel V shortly after the creature’s discovery was published in the local press. You can now see this program on YouTube in Spanish, and it shows exactly the location where the creature was discovered, as well as interviews with Oscar Muñoz, the man who found it, Alejandro Dávalos, the first one to photograph the being, and well known Chilean ufologist Rodrigo Fuenzalida, director of the AION UFO research group.

Navia-Osorio provides the text of two scientific documents in his report. The first one is the “radiological” report signed by doctors E. Feijoo, C. López and J. M. Colomer. It basically consists on a detailed description of the creature itself but it obviously avoids giving any conclusion about its origin. It is clear from this report, however, that the creature is not a crude hoax as was cavalierly suggested by a Complutense scientist who suggested (while remaining anonymous) that the whole thing was a hoax made with bird bones.

The second transcribed document is a forensic medical report written by Dr. Francisco Etxeberria Gabilondo, a professor of Legal and Forensic Medicine in the Basque Country University, and specialist in Forensic Anthropology with the Complutense University, who wrote the study at the bequest of the IIEE (probably for a fee, although that is not mentioned). Dr. Etxeberria wrote that, “it’s a mummified body with all typical the characteristics of a fetus. The body has a length of 14 cm and displays all the structures and anatomical links normal for the head, trunk and extremities.” He continues with a detailed description of each part of the body and finally gives his overall view:


Taken as a whole, the proportions of the anatomical structures (skeleton and softer parts), the level of development of each one of its bones and its macroscopic configuration, allow us to interpret it without any shadow of doubt as a completely normal mummified fetus…Both based on the total length of the body as well as the length of the bones, it can be estimated that it’s a fetus in an approximate gestation period close to 15 weeks.”

The Greer Connection

The final part of Ramón Navia-Osorio’s long article describes briefly how Dr. Steven Greer became involved in this case. The link was made by Dr. Bravo, a female doctor from Dallas, who brought Dr. Greer to the IIEE office in Barcelona. The Spanish researcher mentions here some of the claims contained in the promotional material released by the producers of the Sirius documentary, including DNA sequencing which allegedly found the Atacama being had an “unknown classification.” Until we see the film, we can’t judge how valid is the scientific evidence presented.

That, in essence, is the saga of the little mummy from its early days in the Chilean ghost town to Spain’s scientific labs. In his final conclusions, Navia-Osorio writes that, “we are not among those who claim that it’s an ET, although morphologically speaking it really looks similar to some of them. We can’t deny that, but before asserting it we must consider other possibilities. In summary, we don’t have conclusive proof that can determine the nature of the specimen.”


http://www.ghosttheo...tacama-humanoid



Bummer.

This of course isn’t exciting enough for a world premier, so don’t expect to hear anything about it in the movie. The whole thing reminds me a bit of the bogus “nephilim skulls” that are out there. I blogged about that over on my PaleoBabble site many moons ago, complete with a picture from a medical supply catalog of these “amazing” skulls – the medical supply company has several models so their medical students can learn about human cranial deformities (which is good, so they don’t have to rob the Smithsonian of one of their hidden specimens from the late 1800s). Sad to say, I’ve seen these models at Christian conferences to promote various nuggets of nephilim nonsense (I normally hate alliteration, but I’ll let that one pass – truth be told, I was tempted to add “nattering nabobs” to that from the Aladdin movie).

It also reminds me of a book I’ve read . . . that had unscrupulous people using doctored human fetuses to create alien remains. . . . Oh yeah, that was my novel, The Facade. Funny.

Of course there will be those who think that because the specimen has a skeleton that it must be alien. To all you Einsteins out there on that point – a human fetus has a skeleton, too. All 206 bones of the human being are present by the end of the fifth week. (Please note that the 5th week would fall before the 15th week noted in the quotation above).

This whole world premier thing illustrates the poor thinking of many who want desperately to have aliens explain everything in world history and our origins (i.e., who want that as a religion). Just Google it. Or better yet, look at the name of Greer’s project: “Sirius Disclosure. The title plays off Robert Temple’s iconic but demonstrably bogus “Sirius Mystery.” Think about it. Let’s say this six-inch specimen isn’t human — how the Zeta do we know it’s from Sirius? Because that’s a narrative Greer likes – it “connects” (in the Land of Non Sequitur) to cool things like ancient Egypt (Temple had the image of Akhenaten on the cover of his Sirius Mystery book – we all know he was an ET, despite what the recent DNA research on the mummies in his lineage says).2

So where does this leave us? Well, if you’re like me who’d like to see serious people do serious thinking about a subject as serious as whether we’re alone in the universe, you’re embarrassed by this latest stunt (by the way, that sound rhyming on “Sirius” is called assonance – oh, crud, I ruined the aural subliminal). You all know that, if there are such things, I’m on the side of the public having a right to know (i.e., at least confirm the idea if it’s real – I do allow for legitimate national security issues). Stuff like this generates cash and sets tongues to wagging, but doesn’t really help credibility.


(And read the discussion in response to Heiser's article)

http://michaelsheise...fetus-er-alien/


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:14 AM

Everytime I hear Atacama I think of the map Atacama Desert from Battlefield: Bad Company 2 lol.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:46 AM

View PostCT1993, on 09 May 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Well that's a weird thing to say seeing as how he got the disclosure project up which is more then ANYONE is doing in the field of aliens and UFO's.

it's not like he's making stuff up like most people out there claiming to be whistle blowers.

Greer has a passion with this type of thing so he put it to himself to gather up Credible people and get them to swear to oath what they seen was real.

I mean like what have you done to get this world moving forward



Taking a dump is moving this world more forward than all of Greer's efforts combined and folded over. That farce labelled the disclosure project has done nothing but move knowledge backwards. What on earth do you think this nonsense has accomplished? Claims of what have gone anyplace? Remote Viewing? The silly fable of US Government ET cover up? Moon bases? What has this group of numbskulls achieved?

Everyone associated with the claim knows the thing was found 10 years ago, and back then was tested and is more than likely genetically a human fetus. It seems to have disfigurement, which is possibly why nature aborteded in the first place, and that is why experts, such as Arturo Prat University biologist Walter Seinfeld were asked to asses the remains, and who concluded that "No doubt it is a mammal and I'm pretty sure he's human," and also as noted in the Huffington Post Huneeus referenced a story in a local newspaper, La Estrella de Arica, on Oct. 19, 2003, so it is an old find (originally wrapped in a white cloth) which has already been tested and assed the rounds for a decade now.

As you can see, the "geneticist" found it was human, and the report shows that as well, here is a link to the full report, it says:


Reconstruction of the mitochondrial DNA sequence and analysis shows an allele frequency consistent with a B2 haplotype group found on the west coast of South America, supporting the claimed origination of the specimen from the Atacama Desert region of Chile. Sequence analysis definitively rules out the specimen as an example of a New World primate.

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Instead of "just watch Youtube man" try reading a book, or searching out some papers. Hell, just read the official report, and see what it says. What's with the attitude on Source man, he is a champ. All he bloody did was try to help you? Do you take offence to kind people?

And you say others can do their own dam research, well I have done it for you, all you have to do is open your eyes and read it. Youtube is the best way to get the wrong conclusion IMHO.


And don't ask me what I have done for this world, my achievements are my own, I sure as hell hope you don't think posting Greer vids is something to be proud of.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:51 AM

View PostCT1993, on 09 May 2013 - 04:55 AM, said:

lmao i posted the wrong link that was a some good ol' bob marley i was listening to but you can't go wrong with marley!

here's the link i was talking about.

http://www.dailymail...ocumentary.html

The daily fail tends to sensationalise. That's common knowledge, you should never trust media, you should look for reports which will exist if a thing is genuine. Who are "the experts  they claim to have garnered information form? I bet they most likely do not even exist, that is why they are anonymous, or they laughingly refer to Greer.

This article has an entirely different take on the same subject.

LINK - Huffington Post.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:27 AM

It looks so fake ....

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:14 AM

From that Huffington Post link that psyche just posted:

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A second document, from a forensic medical expert at Basque Country University, concluded: "It's a mummified body with all typical characteristics of a fetus. The body displays all the structures and anatomical links normal for the head, trunk and extremities. Taken together, the proportionality of the anatomical structures ... [allows us] to interpret beyond doubt, that this is a mummified human fetus completely normal."


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:47 AM

Has the number of ribs been resolved? There seemed to be different conclusion by scientists. Some believed it's to be mummified fetus. However, there are report of it's being 6-8 yrs old, and the number of ribs are not the same as what found in human. This is just confusing. What is the truth here?


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 01:52 AM

Did they say it was Adams ribs, or My B.B.Q Ribs ? SwampgasBalloonBoy ,?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:37 AM

View PostSwampgasBalloonBoy, on 10 May 2013 - 04:47 AM, said:

Has the number of ribs been resolved? There seemed to be different conclusion by scientists. Some believed it's to be mummified fetus. However, there are report of it's being 6-8 yrs old, and the number of ribs are not the same as what found in human. This is just confusing. What is the truth here?



Reconstruction of the mitochondrial DNA sequence and analysis shows an allele frequency consistent with a B2 haplotype group found on the west coast of South America, supporting the claimed origination of the specimen from the Atacama Desert region of Chile.



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