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[Beckys_Mom]

Yamato, on 10 June 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

Okay I'll just stay Catholic because the thought never crossed my mind to switch religions (or countries).

I was not telling you to do either    lol... I said do what you feel is right by you... it is your life..

[Yamato]

Beckys_Mom, on 10 June 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

I was not telling you to do either lol... I said do what you feel is right by you... it is your life..

Sounds great.  I believe in freedom so much I think we should get out of other peoples' ways and let them have it.

Since nobody has guns being put to their heads being forced into the Catholic Church, the problem is once again with other people who belong to a religion because they want to belong, this time it's the Catholics and are we even surprised?    I think playing over-the-top politics against the church is sleazy, and I feel dirty after reading it too.

[Beckys_Mom]

Yamato, on 10 June 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Sounds great.  I believe in freedom so much I think we should get out of other peoples' ways and let them have it.

Since nobody has guns being put to their heads being forced into the Catholic Church, the problem is once again with other people who belong to a religion because they want to belong, this time it's the Catholics and are we even surprised? I think playing over-the-top politics against the church is sleazy, and I feel dirty after reading it too.

Ok...why that was posted  I do not know............I only told you to do as you please it is your life.. and I got  all that   lol...  You need to get out more  lol

[Yamato]

Beckys_Mom, on 10 June 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

Ok...why that was posted  I do not know............I only told you to do as you please it is your life.. and I got  all that   lol...  You need to get out more  lol

Coming from someone with 46,437 posts, I'll take that under very light consideration.

[rashore]

No offense but... It's USA Today... They also have allowed full page ad space for stuff like this:

http://nymag.com/dai...laced_this.html

http://www.patspaper...u_to_say_sorry/

I don't think the really care as much about if an ad might ruffle a few feathers so much as they are happy to take any advertisers money.

[Beckys_Mom]

Yamato, on 10 June 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Coming from someone with 46,437 posts, I'll take that under very light consideration.

Yes  over  7 years worth. I recall for the first 3 years posting  like crazy... I dont do that much as I used to..but  I still get out a lot too and  have a life  lol.  And congrats you can read a profile.haha

[Star of the Sea]

markdohle, on 10 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

I am catholic, and even as a young boy I was taught about the wrong turns the church took in the past.  Yeah, so what?  It is the kernal of the faith that is important.  The sacraments are healing, the Eucharist central, and I really don't care what others think of me or my faith.  My faith is centerned on Jesus Christ and much in the church helps me to deepen that relationship.  Much of the what is spoken about the church by those outside is shallow, limited and bigoted I would say.  Hey that is ok, it is hard for any of us to step outside of our own perceptions, I struggle with it.  So sling away LOL, it means nothing in the end.  I am not saying that some of the what is said about my church are not helpful, even if painful to hear, but much of it is silly, immature and spoken from the perspective of a college freshmen who is just starting philosophy or a course inworld religion.  Not a slur on freshmen, just that many of our super intelligent athiest, seem to be stuck there, not all of course, but enough actually hurt the atheist stance.  Because, like atheist, christians can also judge the opposing group by their worst and least intelligent.


Sin exits, so when sin happens why should I be surpirsed, I sin, I fall, I get up.  The church does the same thing, though it has to be forced to do so sometimes.....again, people fail, we will always fail, we just need to get up.

peace
mark

That's exactly how I see it Mark. Such a great post and as always full of wisdom

[markdohle]

Star of the Sea, on 10 June 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

That's exactly how I see it Mark. Such a great post and as always full of wisdom

Thank you, good to have some friendly fellow travelers on the same path LOL.

Peace
Mark

[Beckys_Mom]

markdohle, on 10 June 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Thank you, good to have some friendly fellow travelers on the same path LOL.

Peace
Mark

I liked your post too, because you stood your ground...

[markdohle]

Beckys_Mom, on 10 June 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

I liked your post too, because you stood your ground...

Thank you Becky, your still one of my favorites here, you always seem to have good balance, even when you call me down LOL.....well you do when I deserve it.  Your advatar suits, hope you don't change it   ever.

peace
mark

[Beckys_Mom]

markdohle, on 10 June 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Thank you Becky, your still one of my favorites here, you always seem to have good balance, even when you call me down LOL.....well you do when I deserve it.  Your advatar suits, hope you don't change it   ever.

peace
mark

I like you too Mark...you stand firm with your Catholic beliefs.. My dear great old Aunt Mary  ( who live till she was 106 ) would have loved you...The woman never missed a mass in her life.. The priest would have said mass up in her house when she was able to attend. ....... Other times she listened to mass on her wireless ..... She was very popular and well known in her local catholic church...  As a kid when I used to go and stay with her, she only agreed to let me outside IF I told her I would go to mass  and bring back a bottle of holy water  lol....So I went out, played with friends and then popped into the local church, filled up a bottle of holy water and that kept her happy... She believed I was in the church all that time  ...well at least I think she believed so  lol

I might have left the faith, but the respect  for some reason is still lurking around me for the church...So  yea its good to see you and Star  stand your ground...Good on you both

[Left-Field]

Yamato, on 09 June 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

I would say the Catholic church is a more institutionalized Christianity, but what difference between the two would create conflict in one's belief in God and Jesus?

I'll name two simple examples off the top of my head (although there are plenty more):

• Communion - The Catholic Church teaches that when you receive communion you are to believe that you are eating the actual flesh, and drinking the actual blood, of Jesus Christ. As a Christian, when you partake in communion, you are doing so simply in remembrance of Christ.

• Confession - The Catholic Church teaches that you can't confess your sins directly to God. In order to be forgiven for your sins you must partake in confession and tell them to a priest who will then give you a penance. As a Christian you are encouraged to pray directly to God and ask Him directly to forgive you for your sins. There is no need to confess them to a priest.

Like I said though, there are many more instances that can be named if you're interested in a longer list being given. The two above just happen to be two of the bigger sticking points I had with Catholicism.

Edited by Angel Left Wing, 11 June 2012 - 04:21 AM.

[Yamato]

rashore, on 10 June 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

No offense but... It's USA Today... They also have allowed full page ad space for stuff like this:

http://nymag.com/dai...laced_this.html

http://www.patspaper...u_to_say_sorry/

I don't think the really care as much about if an ad might ruffle a few feathers so much as they are happy to take any advertisers money.

Hmmm I didn't see that first one...wonder how I missed it?  

The ad posted for this thread was published in the Washington Post over a week before appearing in the USA Today incidentally.   Does USA Today have a bad reputation compared to its peers I wasn't aware of?

Taking advertising money is fine and I might do some research on how much these full page ads cost.  But what bothers me about the ad above (I'm holding it right now) is that it doesn't have any disclaimer or fine print that says something to the effect of: "This ad doesn't reflect the opinions of the USA Today or any of its affiliates."

But the only text on the page not a part of the ad is what's across the top:  USA Today      Friday June 1, 2012     3B

[Yamato]

Angel Left Wing, on 11 June 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

I'll name two simple examples off the top of my head (although there are plenty more):

• Communion - The Catholic Church teaches that when you receive communion you are to believe that you are eating the actual flesh, and drinking the actual blood, of Jesus Christ. As a Christian, when you partake in communion, you are doing so simply in remembrance of Christ.

• Confession - The Catholic Church teaches that you can't confess your sins directly to God. In order to be forgiven for your sins you must partake in confession and tell them to a priest who will then give you a penance. As a Christian you are encouraged to pray directly to God and ask Him directly to forgive you for your sins. There is no need to confess them to a priest.

Like I said though, there are many more instances that can be named if you're interested in a longer list being given. The two above just happen to be two of the bigger sticking points I had with Catholicism.

These two particular differences plus others would be enough to determine your belief in God?

Non-Catholics, and even many Catholics, often ask whether they can confess their sins directly to God, and whether God can forgive them without going through a priest. On the most basic level, of course, the answer is yes, and Catholics should make frequent acts of contrition, which are prayers in which we tell God that we are sorry for our sins and ask for His forgiveness.
http://catholicism.a..._Confession.htm

[Paranoid Android]

Yamato, on 11 June 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

These two particular differences plus others would be enough to determine your belief in God?

Non-Catholics, and even many Catholics, often ask whether they can confess their sins directly to God, and whether God can forgive them without going through a priest. On the most basic level, of course, the answer is yes, and Catholics should make frequent acts of contrition, which are prayers in which we tell God that we are sorry for our sins and ask for His forgiveness.
http://catholicism.a..._Confession.htm

And if the Catholic church left it there, I doubt any Christian would have an issue.  The problem we non-Catholic Christians see is the next paragraph in your link:

But the question misses the point of the Sacrament of Confession. The sacrament, by its very nature, confers graces that help us to live a Christian life, which is why the Church requires us to receive it at least once per year. Moreover, it was instituted by Christ as the proper form for the forgiveness of our sins. Therefore, we should not only be willing to receive the sacrament, but we should embrace it as a gift from a loving God.

Non-Catholic Christians do not agree with the statement that Confession (to a priest) was "instituted by Christ as the proper form for the forgiveness of our sins".  Confession is a good thing to do, but non-Catholic Christians do so by going to Christ and not to a human (though that does not mean that our priest/minister cannot be a source of wisdom and comfort in situations where we may struggle with sin).  Therefore to be "required" to receive Confession and then do various acts of penance (x number of Hail Mary's, for example) sounds very much like salvation is about works and not Grace (a concept every Christian should rile against - though not to say that works are irrelevant, they are the expression of our receiving God's Grace, but they in themselves do not save).

This is a very big difference between Catholics and non-Catholic Christians, and though I do believe that there are many Christians sitting in Catholic Churches (I know several of them on UM) I am of the belief that placing too much importance in something like Confession can actually lead away from the doctrine of salvation by Grace and therefore lead away from Christ.

That's my view of things, at least

~ PA

Edited by Paranoid Android, 11 June 2012 - 10:49 AM.