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#16    Awake2Chaos

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:21 AM

View Postacidhead, on 08 January 2014 - 02:08 AM, said:

Just curious...

Besides ufos what other topics does Jones hurt this "truth movement"?

He's a supporter of the theory of the Illuminati, no?  

Says they're spraying the skies with chemicals? (chem trails)

All kinds of other fear-laced rants?

Because those type of paranoid, ego-satisfying conspiracies do nothing but drive truth to the fringe.  

Do you think there is some ultra-secret society that controls all the weath in the world with the sole goal of dominating humanity under one world government?  Do you think that we as a people are that special?  Or that they need such an elaborate plan?

I don't.  To me, the reality is that the governments of this world, if they so decided, could do what ever the heck they wanted....they have the fire-power, the military......they don't need a secret society to accomplish it.

Alex says he speaks truth, but comes off as paranoid.  But that's just how I see him.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:50 AM

Let me get this correct.

AJ hurts the ufo truth movement because he doesn't believe in aliens.  He believes in things the ufo truth movement doesn't believe in and this some how hurts the ufo truth movement?

I could understand if AJ believed in ufo/aliens while at the same time believing in things the ufo truth movement didn't believe in but he doesn't.

So how is he a threat to this truth movement?   It doesn't make any logical sense.






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Posted 08 January 2014 - 03:05 AM

View Postacidhead, on 08 January 2014 - 02:50 AM, said:

Let me get this correct.

AJ hurts the ufo truth movement because he doesn't believe in aliens.  He believes in things the ufo truth movement doesn't believe in and this some how hurts the ufo truth movement?

I could understand if AJ believed in ufo/aliens while at the same time believing in things the ufo truth movement didn't believe in but he doesn't.

So how is he a threat to this truth movement?   It doesn't make any logical sense.

View PostKelevra, on 08 January 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

truth movement is more about total government transparency than it is aliens, but UFO files are a big thing they always throw in.

As Kelevra stated, the UFO thing is a big part of it, but it encompasses more; government transparency being the biggest component.

So when you have someone like Alex screaming that they are all Illuminati puppets....'They're out to get you!'  It's a distraction from people who are genuinely trying to lobby for clearer laws and practices (like the flap with the NSA recently).

Is that clear enough?

edit: Another example of a 'truther' (though not all agree on this one) would be Ed Snowden.

Edited by Awake2Chaos, 08 January 2014 - 03:23 AM.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 04:11 AM

Well historically speaking the Bavarian illuminati did exist according to historic text.  So this belief AJ has today is partially true.  I personally do not judge an individual on how they deliver their message.  It's the message I'm interested in researching.  



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 04:59 AM

View Postouija ouija, on 07 January 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Rlyeh, what is that Jones says that particularly irritates you?
The "elites" use light bulbs to control minds, the "elites" use hallucinogens to contact aliens, the "elites" are going to turn themselves into robots, oh and the "elites" listen to Alex Jones having sex. That's just some of his ridiculous claims.

He's entertaining but the stupid that comes from his mouth gets old after a while.

Edited by Rlyeh, 08 January 2014 - 05:03 AM.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:43 AM

View Postacidhead, on 08 January 2014 - 02:08 AM, said:

Just curious...

Besides ufos what other topics does Jones hurt this "truth movement"?
well, it might be argue that he discredits any of the following causes by his being associated with them:

# Jones has been the center of many controversies, including his statements about gun control in the wake of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[7] He has accused the U.S. government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing,[8] the September 11 attacks,[9] and the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA's secret technology[10] and the killing of "thousands of astronauts".[11] He believes that government and big business have colluded to create a New World Order through "manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria"

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:50 AM



Yes, it is carefully edited I know, but I do like the quote "I don't look forward to it, but if they've got me chained down and torturing me. it'd be exciting." :blush:

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:02 AM

Giggity

Stop being frightened. You only see a monster because they want you to see monsters everywhere. They've conditioned you to look for monsters in every shadow, every coat hung on every door. As long as we keep seeing monsters, we'll continue to need protection and that's how other people get to control our lives.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 09:09 AM

View PostKelevra, on 08 January 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

Giggity

Giggity goo. All right.

I reject your reality, and substitute my own! Mostly because yours is boring as hell.

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 09:37 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 07 January 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

I once described listening to Alex Jones as "bobbing for apples in the toilet". As there are some genuine stories that are not covered anywhere else, but to get to the apple you have to put up with a face full of poo

that's a very good description indeed. :tsu:
Not that i take him seriously (in fact, my wife and me use the expression "now you're Alex Jonesing!", when discussing something
and one of us breaks into a rant that tends to leave facts behind....), but i tend to see him like somewhat of a crazy oracle.
Still, it's better to get yer apples straight from the tree than unwillingly ending up with a mouth full of s**t....
He found his niche between paranoia and his big boosting ego


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:35 PM

View PostAwake2Chaos, on 08 January 2014 - 12:55 AM, said:

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An example of someone who is really trying to bring truth to people:

[...]

That's the difference between a legit researcher, and someone like Alex.
:w00t:
You have to be kidding... Sigh...
How is THAT CIRCUS "is really trying to bring truth to people"?! Its on the par with senseless rants of A.Jones.

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:26 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 07 January 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

I once described listening to Alex Jones as "bobbing for apples in the toilet". As there are some genuine stories that are not covered anywhere else, but to get to the apple you have to put up with a face full of poo

This is how I feel about him too. His 9/11 conspiracy film was excellent. And he exposed Bohemian Grove.

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:28 PM

View PostJM91, on 08 January 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

This is how I feel about him too. His 9/11 conspiracy film was excellent. And he exposed Bohemian Grove.
I still don't get what's so bad about that. It's a big feast and party with a show.

Edit: Highlight.

Edited by FLOMBIE, 08 January 2014 - 02:29 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:44 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 08 January 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

:w00t:
You have to be kidding... Sigh...
How is THAT CIRCUS "is really trying to bring truth to people"?! Its on the par with senseless rants of A.Jones.

Not sure what you're referencing, can you be more specific?


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:46 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 08 January 2014 - 02:28 PM, said:

I still don't get what's so bad about that. It's a big feast and party with a show.

But it involves owls! And that's, like, sinister!

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