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[Still Waters]

In 1996 the UFO community was reeling from the news that two extraterrestrial beings had been captured in Varginha, in southwest Minas Gerais state in Brazil. Spotted by three girls, the creature was later captured by the Brazilian Army, with assistance from the local police. The being was autopsied at a major hospital in Varghina and it was determined to be a creature that was unknown to science.

Though names of individuals and institutions were given in support of this event, a decade and a half later it can now be revealed that the entire “Varginha ET” affair was a hoax based on child hysteria and on the sightings of the deformed.

http://bragalia.blog...ax-exposed.html

[zoser]

Still Waters, on 30 October 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

In 1996 the UFO community was reeling from the news that two extraterrestrial beings had been captured in Varginha, in southwest Minas Gerais state in Brazil. Spotted by three girls, the creature was later captured by the Brazilian Army, with assistance from the local police. The being was autopsied at a major hospital in Varghina and it was determined to be a creature that was unknown to science.

Though names of individuals and institutions were given in support of this event, a decade and a half later it can now be revealed that the entire “Varginha ET” affair was a hoax based on child hysteria and on the sightings of the deformed.

http://bragalia.blog...ax-exposed.html

Nah.  Too many witnesses.    Despite any intellectually and politically motivated report, it always in the end comes down to witnesses.

[Hazzard]

zoser, on 30 October 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Nah.  Too many witnesses.  

No surprice there.

  I cant wait for the day (if it ever comes) when we dont have to choose what to believe in this matter.

[TheMacGuffin]

I have never studied this particular case in any detail, although this is the first time I have heard of this doctor or the alleged "autopsy" he performed on an ET.  All I can recall about the case was that the military took the supposed aliens away to an unknown location.

[zoser]

Hazzard, on 30 October 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

No surprice there.

  I cant wait for the day (if it ever comes) when we dont have to choose what to believe in this matter.

When that happens I can promise you it won't happen in your favour.

[zoser]

TheMacGuffin, on 30 October 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

I have never studied this particular case in any detail, although this is the first time I have heard of this doctor or the alleged "autopsy" he performed on an ET.  All I can recall about the case was that the military took the supposed aliens away to an unknown location.

Exactly.  Why didn't they reveal these so called dwarves?

I was no fan of Chasing UFO's the series but that testimony by those three ladies was compelling.  Look no further for the truth of that case.

[Slave2Fate]

zoser, on 30 October 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

When that happens I can promise you it won't happen in your favour.

Having known Hazz for some time now I can tell you that all he wants is the truth, no matter if it's ET or not. Whatever the answer might be as long as it's verifiable and provable it will be in Hazz's (everybody's, actually) favor. You however have shown that you don't want the truth, you only want ET and it has severely limited your vision on this subject.

[zoser]

Slave2Fate, on 30 October 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Having known Hazz for some time now I can tell you that all he wants is the truth, no matter if it's ET or not. Whatever the answer might be as long as it's verifiable and provable it will be in Hazz's (everybody's, actually) favor. You however have shown that you don't want the truth, you only want ET and it has severely limited your vision on this subject.

The truth is the truth no matter what view one puts upon it.

[TheMacGuffin]

zoser, on 30 October 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

Exactly.  Why didn't they reveal these so called dwarves?

I was no fan of Chasing UFO's the series but that testimony by those three ladies was compelling.  Look no further for the truth of that case.

I'd have to read Portuguese to really go into this case, and although I can read Spanish pretty well I tend to miss things in Portuguese so I just have to rely on translations to deal with the Brazilian cases.

I never even knew that this pathologist the article refers to was ever in the picture at all as far as this case is concerned.  Maybe he was and I never heard of it, but his name didn't ring a bell with me at all.

[zoser]

TheMacGuffin, on 30 October 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

I'd have to read Portuguese to really go into this case, and although I can read Spanish pretty well I tend to miss things in Portuguese so I just have to rely on translations to deal with the Brazilian cases.

I never even knew that this pathologist the article refers to was ever in the picture at all as far as this case is concerned.  Maybe he was and I never heard of it, but his name didn't ring a bell with me at all.

So how did they explain away the rapid death of the military guy who suffered rapid collapse of his immune system I wonder?  The report from the nurse at the hospital, the lady at the zoo?  Far too many witnesses on this one.  Worth watching a doc on this one MacG it's a cracker.

[Golly Buster]

* groans *

So lame.

This 'hoax exposed' is as pathetic as the Socorro one a few months back.

I doubt Skeptics will care that its ridiculous and implausible though: they're the least discerning amongst us when it comes to accepting data - any data - that reinforces the dark, status quo cage of concrete reality that they desperately want us all to go on living in.

[zoser]

Golly Buster, on 30 October 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

* groans *

So lame.

This 'hoax exposed' is as pathetic as the Socorro one a few months back.

I doubt Skeptics will care that its ridiculous and implausible though: they're the least discerning amongst us when it comes to accepting data - any data - that reinforces the dark, status quo cage of concrete reality that they desperately want us all to go on living in.

Agreed; the best part about Chasing UFO's for me was the interview in Varginha with the 3 ladies.  Not Jame's Fox's tears but their testimony.  They have stuck with their story after all these years.

[psyche101]

Golly Buster, on 30 October 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

* groans *

So lame.

This 'hoax exposed' is as pathetic as the Socorro one a few months back.

I doubt Skeptics will care that its ridiculous and implausible though: they're the least discerning amongst us when it comes to accepting data - any data - that reinforces the dark, status quo cage of concrete reality that they desperately want us all to go on living in.

Well that just show how pathetic your attitude is. Broad brush everyone because you are too lazy to listen to everyone. In fact I am finding the majority of believers to be bloody lazy. Broad Brush statements, generalisations, and yet the second a critical thinker offers a prosaic explanation, the believer suddenly becomes interested in details.

It was a stupid comment because it is completely wrong. I'd like to proclaims myself as one of the stronger "skeptics" as you like to put it, and I did not go for the Sorroco explanation. To my experience, Anthony Bragalia is very loose with his facts. I cannot say I believe aliens landed, but I cannot say this is the answer to the conundrum either. That Lier was involved does not do the ET angle any favours either.

Now if this is so off the wall, what is the big red flag? Why is this explanation implausible? Where do you see the problem?

[Golly Buster]

psyche101, on 31 October 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

Now if this is so off the wall, what is the big red flag? Why is this explanation implausible? Where do you see the problem?

The whole blog post is just froth and nonsense.

Read it again.

There's no information of substance there. No 'hoax' has been exposed.

[Zeta Reticulum]

psyche101, on 31 October 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

Well that just show how pathetic your attitude is

The only pathetic one I see here is you pal