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#46    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:48 PM

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The next question I have is do they try to regulate your health..ie do smokers or obese pay a higher premium ? Obese is a diagnosis given to anyone in America that there BMI (base mnass index calculated based on height/weight proportions) is 25% above normal.

Is everyone insured equally regardless of lifestyle choices?.



National Insurance pays for your healthcare, but the main part pays for your state pension for when you retire ... It is not calculated on your health or lifestyle

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:26 PM

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Its a hidden tax. You have to recover your money through the IRS via deductions (unless your so wealthy you dont qualify for any) and the IRS will fine you if you dont carry the insurance. Therefore it is a tax.
Yes but in the IRS language in the op it's called penalty, not a tax. Remember the SCOTUS determined it was a tax because you can't penalize Americans for not buying something. So conveniently it was ruled a tax though Obama didn't care what it was called so long as it was worded to pass. There was no integrity. So the IRS calls it what it really is right in its official handbook, a penalty. What's the deal? Seams it really is a penalty and the SCOTUS hearing was just a farce to shut us up.
Since this was in works way before Obama came to town I'll bet he never even read it either. I bet Rom Emanuel told him what the gist of it was about and explained its true purpose of control and slimeball Obama jumped all over it. It's name the affordable care act is a deception the same as the name federal reserve is a deception since it isn't federal.

These people work for us. They are our servant employees. Electing them to write laws is one thing but when they turn around and tells us that we have to purchase something very expensive for our entire lives, or at all for that matter, is wrong. It isn't right. Imagine, a company whose management decides to write into the rulebook that the CEOs have to buy something against their will and fine them by force if they don't designed only to be able to control the CEOs. That won't go well. We are all the CEOs of this nation. Washington is simply management. Arrrr

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:32 PM

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National Insurance pays for your healthcare, but the main part pays for your state pension for when you retire ... It is not calculated on your health or lifestyle

This is gold :tu:

What we are doing is criminal to the People of this Country.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:44 PM

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These people work for us. They are our servant employees. Electing them to write laws is one thing but when they turn around and tells us that we have to purchase something very expensive for our entire lives, or at all for that matter, is wrong. It isn't right. Imagine, a company whose management decides to write into the rulebook that the CEOs have to buy something against their will and fine them by force if they don't designed only to be able to control the CEOs. That won't go well. We are all the CEOs of this nation. Washington is simply management. Arrrr

If anything we are single share stock holders.

  There are still tons of unanswered questions in Obamacare.  The one that perks my interest is the fact that if you don't pay the fine the IRS can't garnish your wages or put a lien on your house or anything.  It would be a civil matter- like a foreclosure or being an illegal immigrant.  But in theory IRS can double the fine and sue you.  Of course now that the supreme court has ruled it a tax, would it now become tax evasion and thus a felony?    Would suck to lose your firearm rights because you didn't pay your Obamacare fine.  If they go the first route, the fines wouldn't even cover the court costs.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

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If anything we are single share stock holders.

  There are still tons of unanswered questions in Obamacare.  The one that perks my interest is the fact that if you don't pay the fine the IRS can't garnish your wages or put a lien on your house or anything.  It would be a civil matter- like a foreclosure or being an illegal immigrant.  But in theory IRS can double the fine and sue you.  Of course now that the supreme court has ruled it a tax, would it now become tax evasion and thus a felony?    Would suck to lose your firearm rights because you didn't pay your Obamacare fine.  If they go the first route, the fines wouldn't even cover the court costs.

They can't garnish wages and enact liens? Hmm... I too have wondered about the tax evasion thing. And great point about becoming a felon and losing further rights. America, the land of becoming a criminal if you don't buy health insurance.
I have an accountant. When my taxes are due she separates them and I write several different checks. Not paying will be easy for me. I could just tell her I won't write the check. But what about all the e-filers out there. They'll be screwed when it comes time to hit the send button or decide to exit from explorer and not pay anything. There is going to be a lot of nail biting in households across the country, lots of family fights about how to handle the situation, much confusion, depression and anger once the masses start getting those dollar amounts they owe figured out.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:03 PM

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healthcare of which I receive zero of unless I pay out of pocket

Well duh. It's not free.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:08 PM

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:08 PM

View PostGummug, on 03 February 2013 - 05:12 AM, said:

What I'd like to know is, if it's not going to the goverment (the money), then why is it called a tax? That's beyond bizarre if you ask me.

Exactly right!

The "tax" is sophistry by Mr. Justice Moneybags, nothing more.  Talk about an activist judge!  Good heavens, nobody in the legistlature proposed it as a tax, but the judge does.  Hogwash and spin, to feather the nest of the insurance industry, to whom, apparently, Mr. Justice Moneybags is beholden.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:38 PM

The collateral damage from this will be catastrophic if what I read about it is half true.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:40 PM

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:36 PM

I think that in the final analysis, this shows that Obama is not a socialist, because this program does not redistribute money to the people as socialism would do.  No, this takes money from the people and redistributes it to the insurance industry.  That looks like fascism to me.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:18 PM

Hey BM...Do you pay $20,000 for health insurance?  Is that a quarter of your income?  Do you have a mortgage?  Pay for gas, food?  You're raising at least one kid.  Here, we had about 30million that went without healthcare because of cost.  Now, 315,000 won't have the cash to live on but those 30million will have coverage.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:26 AM

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I think that in the final analysis, this shows that Obama is not a socialist, because this program does not redistribute money to the people as socialism would do.  No, this takes money from the people and redistributes it to the insurance industry.  That looks like fascism to me.
Not really...it doesn't do that at all.  You aren't seeing the scam for what it really is...The scam is thus:  put the insurance companies out of business.  No one will be able to afford to pay the outrageous premiums...(by design)...so they have no choice but to opt out and pay the tax...because the ##Profanity EDiT^^ at the Supreme Court called it a tax, that is what it is and you WILL pay it!  But the thing is...if you aren't buying insurance...and you won't be able to afford to...then the government will have to step in and...do what?  Bail out the Insurance Companies...mmm..hmmm...wallah...nationalized healtcare...single payer...see how they get there?  The Government then becomes the insurance company...they decide what doctors get paid, what doctors can charge for and how much, where doctors can work and where they can't.  Get it?

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:06 AM

He isnt trying to put the insurance companies outta buisness joc. He is forcing millions of new customers on them. The insurance companies wrote the bill. Babe Ruth was 100% correct. 0bama is fascist to the core.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:35 AM

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He isnt trying to put the insurance companies outta buisness joc. He is forcing millions of new customers on them. The insurance companies wrote the bill. Babe Ruth was 100% correct. 0bama is fascist to the core.
I'm disagreeing wholeheartedly!  Obama is a communist!  You are right about one thing...he is forcing millions of new customers on the Insurance Companies, which will be forced to pay EVERYTHING for all of them.  Remember, no Pre-existing Conditions?  Gone!  The Insurance Companies are going to be forced to pay for it all...they can't...they won't...most will go out of business...the only one's that are left will be the one's that 'are too big to fail' and they'll be 'bailed out' and Nationalized.
You seem to think this is all about Obama...nothing could be further from the truth!  Obama is a tool.  This is all about Russia my friend.

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