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Are Jihadists damaging Islam's reputation?


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#46    Hawkin

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:27 AM

View Postali smack, on 01 March 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Do you think that Islam's reputation is being damaged by Jihadists?
Do you think a lot of people look at Muslims and Islam in a negative light?
I don't because I understand most Muslims are decent, law abiding citizens.

Back during WWII people had a negative view of all Japanese-Americans because of Pearl Harbor.
The same goes today towards muslims because of 911. There are African-Americans that
hate whites just because our ancestors enslaved their ancestors and mistreated them.
It seems like when we're attacked, the blame is put on an entire people even though most
don't have anything to do with it. It's like if a member of one's family kills someone,
the victims family blames the killer's family also just because they're related.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:01 AM

View PostCoffey, on 01 March 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Christianity was used as an excuse by the Church of England to go on a massive plague like war throughout Europe and the Middle East etc. lol

Really?? Mind telling  me when this was?

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:07 PM

View PostLion6969, on 02 March 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

Listen you joker im a caucasian former uk born atheist who reverted to Islam . The shariah law requested in uk is to do with inheritance marraige and minor facets of the law! Why cant they request it? You allow jews to have their own law courts a long with other faiths, but dont allow it for muslims you biggots! Personally there is a tiny number who want uk to be a muslim shariah state.  They delluded and wrong, but then we also have numties who want uk to be a white indigenous state only as well, difference is you sensationalise the muslim nut jobs cause we are flavour of the day for biggots!

Now adddress the rest of my other post! What friggin intergration do you want and refer to? You only ignore cause i always stump biggots!

You stump no one!
YOU are exactly the kind of CONVERTED muslim who gives the good muslims a bad name.
You love the muslims culture, great, you love the religion, great, you want to be seen as a muslim, great, you want sharia law......then got to a muslim country if you love it that much. Sharia law has no place in a western country.

I have read DOTNN`s post, will respect it, suggest you do the same from now on....if your hatred allows it.

Edited by freetoroam, 02 March 2013 - 01:09 PM.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:28 PM

View PostDan, on 02 March 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

You are comparing people that cry out the name of their god out when they saw peoples heads off or blow up dozens or even hundreds at a time to a idiotic church that simply hold up stupid signs?

OMFG

Cool down Dan'O, my point is that extremists of any kind damage their respective religions.

This topic is not about Christianity, however Christians need to look closely at their own blood drenched history before criticizing others.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

View PostCoffey, on 01 March 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Most religions have idiots and extremists.

Christianity was used as an excuse by the Church of England to go on a massive plague like war throughout Europe and the Middle East etc. lol

the Church of England? I doubt that they could be ruthless enough to organise someone to march up & down with a few placards, let alone a whole series of wars aross Europe & the middle East.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:51 PM

I thought the Church of England was a social club.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:56 PM

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 02 March 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

This topic is not about Christianity

Seemed more like a baiting thing. But what do I know...


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:28 PM

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 01 March 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

View Postodas, on 01 March 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Muslim extremists are damaging islam.
^This.

To expand on that simple truthful statement. Christian extremists are damaging Christianity (think Westboro Baptist Church)

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View PostDan, on 02 March 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

Seemed more like a baiting thing. But what do I know...

Indeed. Perhaps you missed my entire post, including the statement I quoted?

"You cannot pass," he said. … "I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass."

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

let's put something clear

jihadists target " military " targets
extremists target " civilian " targets
terrorists target both

it's not black and white there is difference

personally i don't view a person who blow him self up in military base of enemy invading his country extremeist or terrorist
i think it's his own right to fight back and defend his homeland
on the other hand i think it's outrageous to bomb civilians or innocent people and then to stick it up in name of islam
as the religion it self prohibit such acts

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

I'm unsure that Islam specifically prohibits "such acts" except against other Muslims, although I guess even that has not made much difference.  If someone knows where Islam explicitly prohibits such violence against others, I would love to know the reference.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 02 March 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

I'm unsure that Islam specifically prohibits "such acts" except against other Muslims, although I guess even that has not made much difference.  If someone knows where Islam explicitly prohibits such violence against others, I would love to know the reference.
well unfortunally because you .. like most people form your opinion before you actually know what you forming the opinion on
here let me show you what the Koran says :

whoever kills a single soul for other than a another soul or for corruption on earth it is as though he had killed the humanity all together an whoever saves a single soul it is as he had save the humanity altogether
" surah al-am'ida ayah 32 "

note : a soul for other than another soul " means other than as punishment for killing another one "

here's another

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress, for Allah loves not the transgressor. Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. ! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers." al-bagarah 190-193

and also mohammd the prophet given strict instruction in wars .. even wars in islam have rules
and here they are :

"Set out for Jihad in the name of Allah and for the sake of Allah. Do not lay hands on the old verging on death, on women, children and babes. Do not steal anything from the booty and collect together all that falls to your lot in the battlefield and do good, for Allah loves the virtuous and the pious."

and here is examples on pure islam in ancient times .. from history

abu bakr the calipha gave to his army while sending her on the expedition to the Syrian borders is permeated with the noble spirit with which the war in Islam is permitted. He said:

"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman. nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock. save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"

so the conclusion is ..
1-islam prohibt the killing of people from other religions .. unless they set to war against muslims
2- In War muslims are prohibted to kill innocent people , " women , elders , childrens " no combatant in general

hell islam even prohibit property damage ! read it above for your self

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And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:27 PM

Thanks for the detailed response, although you kinda ruin it by making unfounded assertions and being so defensive.  I think I was open enough in my query.

I will keep these references and probably use them in future to help show that all religions emphasize human life.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 02 March 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

Thanks for the detailed response, although you kinda ruin it by making unfounded assertions and being so defensive.  I think I was open enough in my query.

I will keep these references and probably use them in future to help show that all religions emphasize human life.
not really defensive about anything i care even less about what people think
but i like state  the truth bold and straightforward that's how i am
anytime

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And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 02 March 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

I thought the Church of England was a social club.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:50 PM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 02 March 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

i care even less about what people think
that's how i am

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would you like me to point out just where your argument fell apart knight...?

Edited by shrooma, 02 March 2013 - 06:52 PM.

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