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Who is the man with the mosque bomb tattoo?


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#31    Br Cornelius

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 08:40 PM

Unfortunately hate speech is a reality on all sides of this situation, its when the hate speech is followed though on that the real problem occurs. I suspect it is more productive to see who the hate speech excites into action and I know that the Police have active monitoring programs to that effect.

How many reported cases of Muslim hate crime's have been recorded ?
How many reported cases of hate crimes against Muslims have been recorded ?

I suspect when you can answer those questions you will have a better understanding of where the police should focus their efforts.
I cannot see where sympathy for the EDL is appropriate in this situation.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 27 July 2013 - 08:43 PM.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 08:53 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 27 July 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

Unfortunately hate speech is a reality on all sides of this situation, its when the hate speech is followed though on that the real problem occurs. I suspect it is more productive to see who the hate speech excites into action and I know that the Police have active monitoring programs to that effect.

How many reported cases of Muslim hate crime's have been recorded ?
How many reported cases of hate crimes against Muslims have been recorded ?

I suspect when you can answer those questions you will have a better understanding of where the police should focus their efforts.
I cannot see where sympathy for the EDL is appropriate in this situation.

Br Cornelius

Again, that's your interpretation.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 08:55 PM

The EDL cannot be separated from its violent intentions, so I think that says something about your respect for the law.

Do you think the man with the Tattoo wouldn't willingly blow up a Mosque given the chance ?

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 27 July 2013 - 08:57 PM.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 08:58 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 27 July 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

The EDL cannot be separated from its violent intentions, so I think that says something about your respect for the law.

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And think that statement says something about your interpretive abilities.

Edited by itsnotoutthere, 27 July 2013 - 08:58 PM.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:01 PM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 27 July 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

And think that statement says something about your interpretive abilities.
Since you think I have misinterpreted you please answer these questions so I can be clear on how you really feel about the EDL;
Do you think the EDL is a criminal organisation - ie an organization which has incited hate crimes and street violence ?
Do you support the EDL, or what is your position regarding the EDL as a legitimate vehicle for protest ?

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:13 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 27 July 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Since you think I have misinterpreted you please answer these questions so I can be clear on how you really feel about the EDL;
Do you think the EDL is a criminal organisation - ie an organization which has incited hate crimes and street violence ?
Do you support the EDL, or what is your position regarding the EDL as a legitimate vehicle for protest ?

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I don't support violence..full stop. I don't know whether the EDL are a criminal organization but I suspect from the point of view of violence & criminality they probably come a close second to the UAF and SWP, who always seem to outnumber the EDL with arrests for violent conduct at those marches. And talking of inciting hate crimes please do take a look at the video i posted earlier, & using your definition would you describe that mob as a criminal organization?
To reiterate, I do not support the EDL as an organization, but i do support the absolute intolerance of radical islam in this country.

Edited by itsnotoutthere, 27 July 2013 - 09:23 PM.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:24 PM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 27 July 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

I don't support violence..full stop. I don't know whether the EDL are a criminal organization but I suspect from the point of view of violence & criminality they probably come a close second to the UAF and SWP, who always seem to outnumber the EDL with arrests for violent conduct at those marches. And talking of inciting hate crimes please do take a look at the video i posted earlier, & using your definition would you describe that mob as a criminal organization?
To reiterate, I do not support the EDL as an organization, but i do support the absolute intolerance of radical islam in this country.
I see a small bunch of extremist. Its the transition into acts of violence where it becomes an issue.
I am fundamentally opposed to all religious extremists and I have seen precisely the same sort of behaviour from almost all religious groupings - including Christians. I think religion is generally a pernicious force for bad in the world and I would gladly see it all disappear. However I find it impossible to draw distinctions between one fanatic and another.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:44 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 27 July 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

I see a small bunch of extremist. Its the transition into acts of violence where it becomes an issue.
I am fundamentally opposed to all religious extremists and I have seen precisely the same sort of behaviour from almost all religious groupings - including Christians. I think religion is generally a pernicious force for bad in the world and I would gladly see it all disappear. However I find it impossible to draw distinctions between one fanatic and another.

Br Cornelius

Then we are in total agreement on something. I bid you goodnight. ( wanna watch the end of Wolverine.....don't ask me why) :tu:

Edited by itsnotoutthere, 27 July 2013 - 09:45 PM.

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