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#136    tyrant lizard

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:16 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 21 August 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Do you suppose that the fact of the first prosecutor declaring there was no case has anything to do with that?

If 2 women accused you falsely, and the cops agreed with you, how would YOU act?
Lack of evidence doesn't mean he isn't guilty. Rape is one of the hardest crimes to prove. Take off your tin foil hat for one minute and just consider the fact that he is a rapist


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:22 PM

View PostDrayno, on 21 August 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Since you pretty much probably ignored one of my posts, or did not read it, let me share this with you..

"If you were currently on the most wanted list by one of the largest, most influential countries in the world; a country that illegally exercises military action that kills civilians, that discreetly overthrows regimes to replace them with governments they fund and influence, that funds drug cartels and gives them weapons, then wages a crooked war on drugs - that attempts to limit the rights of its citizens to peacefully assemble for a list of grievances against their government, that attempts to dismantle habeas corpus and legal representation, that sets up controversial surveillance systems that attempts to survey what you think, do, or say - and you expose all of this, they are going to try to hook their claws in your arm. What better way than having an ally nation create rape allegations so that they can extradite you?"

Common sense.
Assassinating him would be easier than fabricating a rape case (presumably - from what you said above thats the least they could do)


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:42 PM

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If I take off my foil hat, will you take off your crown?

Just to bring you up to speed sir, you know they have some strange laws in Sweden.  The sex was consensual, as admitted by the girls involved.  The Offence was that the condom was somehow defective.  THAT is considered rape somehow or other in Sweden.

Are you comfortable with that Sir King?  Or would you have him beheaded for using a defective condom?


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:54 PM

The situation is a mess, with Assange getting refuge in the Ecuatorian Embassy and the prescence of the USa in the background, but after reading about it, i have t admit that the alegations of rape are, in my own opinion, exagerated. As far the situation is presented, both women have consesual,and not violent, sex with Assange.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:09 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 21 August 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

Lizard

If I take off my foil hat, will you take off your crown?

Just to bring you up to speed sir, you know they have some strange laws in Sweden.  The sex was consensual, as admitted by the girls involved.  The Offence was that the condom was somehow defective.  THAT is considered rape somehow or other in Sweden.

Are you comfortable with that Sir King?  Or would you have him beheaded for using a defective condom?

Meeting a pretty girl in a bar and taking her home for some consentual sex is not illegal.

Discovering she is out of it the following day and then deciding to help yourself is a different matter. She didnt enjoy waking up to find him on her, she didnt want it so he has raped her.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:04 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 21 August 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

Meeting a pretty girl in a bar and taking her home for some consentual sex is not illegal.

Discovering she is out of it the following day and then deciding to help yourself is a different matter. She didnt enjoy waking up to find him on her, she didnt want it so he has raped her.
Could you provide evidence if what you say. publishing government documents or photos is legal thats why we know about area 51, neveda test sites


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:07 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 21 August 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

Lizard

If I take off my foil hat, will you take off your crown?

Just to bring you up to speed sir, you know they have some strange laws in Sweden.  The sex was consensual, as admitted by the girls involved.  The Offence was that the condom was somehow defective.  THAT is considered rape somehow or other in Sweden.

Are you comfortable with that Sir King?  Or would you have him beheaded for using a defective condom?
Does not wearing a condom make it defective then? Or does having sex with someone who's half asleep seem ok to you? The fact is you or I or anyone else on here doesn't know what happened between him and those women. He's been accused of a sex crime by two people and he should stand trial for it.

As it stands you are supporting someone who has been accused of sex crimes. nice one.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:29 PM

Didn't Time magazine print this too?  The US isn't trying to arrest them and if they do arrest Assange wouldn't they have to arrest the publisher of Time.

I think Assange doesn't want to face charges of rape.

Edited by Hilander, 21 August 2012 - 04:31 PM.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:53 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 21 August 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

Meeting a pretty girl in a bar and taking her home for some consentual sex is not illegal.

Discovering she is out of it the following day and then deciding to help yourself is a different matter. She didnt enjoy waking up to find him on her, she didnt want it so he has raped her.

Is that some fantasy of yours, or do you have a source regarding that series of events?


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:58 PM

View Posttyrant lizard, on 21 August 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

Does not wearing a condom make it defective then? Or does having sex with someone who's half asleep seem ok to you? The fact is you or I or anyone else on here doesn't know what happened between him and those women. He's been accused of a sex crime by two people and he should stand trial for it.

As it stands you are supporting someone who has been accused of sex crimes. nice one.

Well sir, I feel better to know that the first Swedish prosecutor to review the case and interview the 2 women stated that there was no case.  So, that means I have at least 1 prosecutor on my side.

How about that?

I'm going with the first prosecutor's opinion, you're going with the second prosecutor's opinion, who did NOT, by the way, say anything more than she wanted to INTERVIEW the accused.

This case is pure political theater, and I would be embarrassed to say I did not know that. :blush:


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:00 PM

View PostHilander, on 21 August 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

Didn't Time magazine print this too?  The US isn't trying to arrest them and if they do arrest Assange wouldn't they have to arrest the publisher of Time.

I think Assange doesn't want to face charges of rape.

Assange is a complex personality and certainly not free of certain amount of paranoia, even in times he was wanted by nobody he was making a big production about his "safety" seeing people coming to get him under his bed.

I believe that he thinks that it is all a ploy to lock him up in Guantanamo... but that may not have anything to do with the reality.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:21 PM

He knows what the US government is capable of, as does anybody who pays any attention to the news.  There are countless examples of men caught up in the government dragnet, turned in for bounty even though innocent, yet being imprisoned for years with no legal standing whatsoever.  It's Kafka and Orwell combined.

At the altar of the Global War On Terror, the rule of law is dead in the water.

Though I recognize he has warts like the rest of us, I admire his cause 100%.  Government crimes should be exposed, and those who do the exposing should be commended.


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:42 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 21 August 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Well sir, I feel better to know that the first Swedish prosecutor to review the case and interview the 2 women stated that there was no case.  So, that means I have at least 1 prosecutor on my side.

How about that?

I'm going with the first prosecutor's opinion, you're going with the second prosecutor's opinion, who did NOT, by the way, say anything more than she wanted to INTERVIEW the accused.

This case is pure political theater, and I would be embarrassed to say I did not know that. :blush:
And I'd be embarrassed to say that I knew everything about this case without having been there or without having seen all the facts.

You are acting upon assumptions, and treating them as though they are the irrevocable truth. You can't prove he didn't molest those women, and you can't prove Sweden and America invented to whole story just to get him extradited.

And I know I can't prove he raped or abused those women, but I'm not saying he did. I'm saying he should face trial for it. Surely you must agree that allegations of sexual assault cannot be ignored?


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:22 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 21 August 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Do you suppose that the fact of the first prosecutor declaring there was no case has anything to do with that?

If 2 women accused you falsely, and the cops agreed with you, how would YOU act?
I don't think that is the case from what i've read, but it's irrelevant it doesn't mater if it's the second third or fourth, there's a warrant for his extradition.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:39 PM

I suspect if he got his written guarantee that Sweden would not extradite him to America - he would give himself up.
If they had no intention of giving him to the USA, then that shouldn't be to difficult a request to comply with.

I personally would be extremely suspicious of giving myself up in similar circumstances. There are many incidents in history of an accused man walking out of a court acquittal - only to be re-arrested on the court steps.

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