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[Lilly]

I removed the link until I can figure out why it's triggering some people's virus programs.

[DONTEATUS]

So sad we all could get a Alien Virus !

[Amalthe]

It makes sense to consider aliens as species that has been with mankind from ancient times, there are a lot of strange drawings and sculptures that could support that claim. But what makes aliens different is their constant "disregard" of Newtonian laws of movement, such as extreme acceleration, change of direction without inertia, dissapearance and appearance out of nowhere, that strongly suggest they are not part of our 3D world, rather they are spiritual beings. And judging by the sheer number of spiritual guides our sages communicate with, those could easily be same beings.

[Saru]

It looks like the domain is blacklisted however the specific file being linked to was only an image file so it's likely no harm was intended.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Don't tell me, let me see if I can guess... was it a Facepalm pic?

[quillius]

Lord Vetinari, on 03 January 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

Don't tell me, let me see if I can guess... was it a Facepalm pic?

hmm is this proof of telepathy?

Dbunker isnt that predictable is he?/?

[Lilly]

Lord Vetinari, on 03 January 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

Don't tell me, let me see if I can guess... was it a Facepalm pic?

Sounds like a good guess.

I'll throw in my proverbial 2 cents worth here:

1) One needs direct evidence for the existence of these 'strange beings' before speculating upon their origin.

2) Dreams are not evidence. Dreams are subjective, relevent only to ones personal to psychological state.

3) Seeing unknowns in the sky then summarily concluding that such has to be alien space craft is illogical. One would have to first prove ET exists and secondly prove that the unknowns were their space craft.

4) Extrapolation on any notion that doesn't have strong supporting evidence is known as speculation (ie, guessing).

[HMS Dreadnought]

I once had a vivid dream where I was dating Rihanna, I did not use this as the basis for a belief system, the mind boggles.

[Garibaldi]

hey!
about the description people make of aliens...everyone can describe one, i mean, we all know how they probably look like....i make up a story about an abduction "i was sleeping in my room and then a grey person pulled my underwear down" or something like that, and then i would describe by detail that grey person and guess what: it is grey with large eyes and large head and it was really short!
i compare it to werewolfs...i've never seen one, but i know what they look like....yet, i dont believe them...

ATENTION!
i believe that aliens exist but i dont believe they would come here for any reason....and if they do...it doesnt make sense that such advanced civilizations would let their ships (or wathever) be seen by us, it would be to risky (probably more for us than for them btw).
otherwise they wouldnt abduct people so secretly.
there is not an alien theory that makes sense to me (i repeat: TO ME) and i think  the aliens that people say they saw come from one place only: theyr imagination.

[Tesla II]

Lilly, on 03 January 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

Sounds like a good guess.

I'll throw in my proverbial 2 cents worth here:

1) One needs direct evidence for the existence of these 'strange beings' before speculating upon their origin.

2) Dreams are not evidence. Dreams are subjective, relevent only to ones personal to psychological state.

3) Seeing unknowns in the sky then summarily concluding that such has to be alien space craft is illogical. One would have to first prove ET exists and secondly prove that the unknowns were their space craft.

4) Extrapolation on any notion that doesn't have strong supporting evidence is known as speculation (ie, guessing).

I will disagree here with no.3 ... Alien life exists proving that is like proving sunlight comes from sun... We are nothing in this universe ZERO, rats of space, ants of planet... we cant explain soul, like we cant explain why aircrafts and ships disappeared over so called "Bermuda Triangle" or creatures like Yeti,Bigfoot,... and so on. Saying you need a proof of other life is like denying reality... You can't get such things like you wont get a sign from your god ( a real sign for that matter ).. When someone out there will think we are worthy of contact than you'll get proof... But for now WE are the proof of ET life out there...See religion had hard effect on humanity esspecially christianity those wooden people who believe in God... They believed that we are the center of universe, of all creation they burned scientists at the time who made new discoveries but because they weren't about "god" they simply killed them... There is your bloody religion...

We humans aren't so clever and bright afterall... We think that we are special, that we are lucky yet we don't have a single clue what is out there.. But we talk like we know... Yes there is no sign of other life ( thank the stars for that.... ) because when we actualy find it we won't know what will find...

Oh and we aren't here from start... there's a chance that civilizations already existed on this planet, yet we can't know we don't have the means to explore such possiblites...

EDIT : About no.4; So religion is guessing than? Yet half of the world strongly believes in such things...

Cheers

Edited by Nuke_em, 03 January 2013 - 01:56 PM.

[Lilly]

Nuke_em, on 03 January 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

I will disagree here with no.3 ... Alien life exists proving that is like proving sunlight comes from sun..

No, it's not the same thing. We can demonstrate that sunlight originates from our Sun. We have yet to find any life other than the life here on Earth.

That said, I'd be willing to bet the farm that someplace else in the universe other life does exist. However, that isn't the same thing as saying advanced techological alien life is visiting/has visited the Earth. So when one sees something unknown in the sky it doesn't automatically follow that it "has to be ET".

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About no.4; So religion is guessing than? Yet half of the world strongly believes in such things...

Religion is belief based on personal faith. Belief in God isn't the same thing as being able to empirically demonstrate the existence of ET.

[bison]

Lilly, on 03 January 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

Sounds like a good guess.

I'll throw in my proverbial 2 cents worth here:

1) One needs direct evidence for the existence of these 'strange beings' before speculating upon their origin.

2) Dreams are not evidence. Dreams are subjective, relevent only to ones personal to psychological state.

3) Seeing unknowns in the sky then summarily concluding that such has to be alien space craft is illogical. One would have to first prove ET exists and secondly prove that the unknowns were their space craft.

4) Extrapolation on any notion that doesn't have strong supporting evidence is known as speculation (ie, guessing).

      Jumping to conclusions about any particular observation is unwise. At the same time,    it seems reasonable that we must  first speculate (hypothesize) about the meaning of observations, before we can begin to look for sufficient evidence to support our ideas. As Dr. Einstein said: Imagination is more important than knowledge'.  Without imagination, there is nothing but descriptions of what is observed. There is no real advancement in understanding the universe.

Edited by bison, 03 January 2013 - 03:29 PM.

[DONTEATUS]

So ? Half the world is wrong ! Does that mean that Half the World is Right ? May the Atoms Help us !

[Tesla II]

Lilly, on 03 January 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

No, it's not the same thing. We can demonstrate that sunlight originates from our Sun. We have yet to find any life other than the life here on Earth.

That said, I'd be willing to bet the farm that someplace else in the universe other life does exist. However, that isn't the same thing as saying advanced techological alien life is visiting/has visited the Earth. So when one sees something unknown in the sky it doesn't automatically follow that it "has to be ET".

I didn't say that... i said that like we know sunlight comes from sun we know alien life exists... Even if this advanced life would/did visit earth how would we possible know? Except if they try to make contact ..

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Religion is belief based on personal faith. Belief in God isn't the same thing as being able to empirically demonstrate the existence of ET.

So what is the diffrence between me beliving in alien races and others beliving in God... The big diffrence here is that Alien lifeforms aren't fictional like God... and there is life out there for sure, but god isn't like it is presented in Holy Fairytale...If people believe in wine made from water and sea being divided by a man...I am very sorry i rather belive that in next 10 years we will witness something epic.. something like science fiction event... than some hand from the sky ...it has more real touch to it...

By that being said i will say it again We are proof of alien life...

Edited by Nuke_em, 03 January 2013 - 03:40 PM.

[Lilly]

Apparently this is becoming an exercise in semantics. We do not currently know if alien/extra-terrestrial life exists because we've yet to find any alien/extra-terrestrial lifeforms. Earthly life is all we're certain of at this point in time. Life on Earth does not prove the existence of alien/ET life...it proves the existence of Earthly life. Beyond Earthly life it really is all speculation.

Religious beliefs are not subjected to the same standards as science. You can't really equate the two. Religion is based on faith. Science is based on empirical evidence.