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#31    The Silver Thong

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 06:00 PM

View Postdanielost, on 12 February 2010 - 05:49 PM, said:

i thought vegetarions couldn't eat meat or dairy since those are animal by products.  ie your not a true vegi. if you eat those.  they do have animal protien in them.


A vegitarian eats cheese and milk and such. Vegans are the ones that don't eat ANY animal products but they where leather belts LOL

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 06:43 PM

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Actually grass for hay is relatively easy to grow, grass is one of the hardiest plant types around. Soy is the one that does the damage. At present soy is the no.1 cause of rainforest destruction.

You do realise that most of that will end up as animal feed.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 07:07 PM

If ye don' eat yer meat, ye don' git any puddin'!


honestly... if humans wern't supposed to eat meat.. they wouldn't have started to!   lol  M'dude is vegetarian..  he says it's an ethical reason and that it's more efficiant to get the nutriants et al from plants then animal.  Except for the omega fatty 3.. which is from fish (mmmmm tuna..)   I *tried* the whole veggy thing and it made me grumpy(er). -.-  gimmee meat! *noms on ST's flank*

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 07:12 PM

View PostSilverCougar, on 12 February 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

If ye don' eat yer meat, ye don' git any puddin'!


honestly... if humans wern't supposed to eat meat.. they wouldn't have started to!   lol  M'dude is vegetarian..  he says it's an ethical reason and that it's more efficiant to get the nutriants et al from plants then animal.  Except for the omega fatty 3.. which is from fish (mmmmm tuna..)   I *tried* the whole veggy thing and it made me grumpy(er). -.-  gimmee meat! *noms on ST's flank*



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Posted 12 February 2010 - 07:13 PM

View PostSilverCougar, on 12 February 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

I *tried* the whole veggy thing and it made me grumpy(er)


Is that even possible  :o




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Posted 12 February 2010 - 08:35 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 12 February 2010 - 02:20 PM, said:

Both my children are and have been from birth.
Your children ever have any say in that?

View PostBr Cornelius, on 12 February 2010 - 03:21 PM, said:

I would love you to explain how my vegetarian from birth daughter is top of her class in all subjects and a reading age of 19 at age 13. Not bad for a crippled vegetarian brain.
Frankly that one was put to rest a long long time ago.

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Meh, I had an adult reading age by the time I was 11, meat eater and proud. What can ya do. *shrug* I can brag too.


On the original topic, I would never give up meat. I'd get ill, and I already get enough of the snuffles that go around as it is. My health is too important to me to go without.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 09:01 PM

View Poststorminateacup, on 12 February 2010 - 08:35 PM, said:

Your children ever have any say in that?


Meh, I had an adult reading age by the time I was 11, meat eater and proud. What can ya do. *shrug* I can brag too.


On the original topic, I would never give up meat. I'd get ill, and I already get enough of the snuffles that go around as it is. My health is too important to me to go without.

Not bragging - just pointing out the fallacy of the point about IQ effects. And yes you could give up meat without ill health - you have just chosen to use health as a justification for your decision not to.
Children are not allowed to make many decisions until certain ages. If my children go on to become meat eaters then good for them, at the moment they find the idea rather disgusting.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 09:07 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 12 February 2010 - 09:01 PM, said:

Not bragging - just pointing out the fallacy of the point about IQ effects. And yes you could give up meat without ill health - you have just chosen to use health as a justification for your decision not to.
Children are not allowed to make many decisions until certain ages. If my children go on to become meat eaters then good for them, at the moment they find the idea rather disgusting.

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Not wanting too is one thing, but finding it disgusting is not particularly healthy as an attitude, it is something we are genetically programmed to do.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 09:20 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 12 February 2010 - 09:01 PM, said:

Not bragging - just pointing out the fallacy of the point about IQ effects. And yes you could give up meat without ill health - you have just chosen to use health as a justification for your decision not to.
Children are not allowed to make many decisions until certain ages. If my children go on to become meat eaters then good for them, at the moment they find the idea rather disgusting.

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I'd have a job, I'm incredibly picky. Maybe I could, I don't know. But I choose not to. Also one of my best friends is a vegetarian, has been since she was 8 years old and because she is picky too, she's had a very hard time of it trying to stay healthy.

But, so you can't say I'm hiding behind the 'excuse' of my health, I can say it without a 'justification' as you so put it. I would never give up meat. I have grown up close enough to the processes to not be ignorant of the change from cute pig to pork chop, and so have made a rather well-informed decision on the matter, and I still choose to consume meat.

View PostMattshark, on 12 February 2010 - 09:07 PM, said:

Not wanting too is one thing, but finding it disgusting is not particularly healthy as an attitude, it is something we are genetically programmed to do.
My first thought was 'brainwashing' but that's a particularly incendiary remark (even though I'm saying it anyway- oops) but originally decided not to mention it- at least not in an offensive manner- because so many things people teach their children can technically be considered brainwashing...

But, I agree. It's a natural thing to do, and finding it 'disgusting' seems a little unhealthy in itself.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 09:32 PM

View Poststorminateacup, on 12 February 2010 - 09:20 PM, said:

I'd have a job, I'm incredibly picky. Maybe I could, I don't know. But I choose not to. Also one of my best friends is a vegetarian, has been since she was 8 years old and because she is picky too, she's had a very hard time of it trying to stay healthy.

But, so you can't say I'm hiding behind the 'excuse' of my health, I can say it without a 'justification' as you so put it. I would never give up meat. I have grown up close enough to the processes to not be ignorant of the change from cute pig to pork chop, and so have made a rather well-informed decision on the matter, and I still choose to consume meat.


My first thought was 'brainwashing' but that's a particularly incendiary remark (even though I'm saying it anyway- oops) but originally decided not to mention it- at least not in an offensive manner- because so many things people teach their children can technically be considered brainwashing...

But, I agree. It's a natural thing to do, and finding it 'disgusting' seems a little unhealthy in itself.

i am not here to judge anyones decisions, and find that a rather offensive thing to do. What I am trying to do is point out some obvious fallacies  been put about without due consideration of the actual realities.
Occasionally I catch the odd pike or trout and eat it, I have encouraged my children to give it a go - no takers. So I cannot be accused of brainwashing them, its just what they are used to.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 09:41 PM

I could never get use to my moms meatloaf, still a meat eater though as I toughed it out lol

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 01:16 AM

View Postchaoszerg, on 12 February 2010 - 07:13 PM, said:

Is that even possible  :o




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Posted 13 February 2010 - 01:23 AM

View PostSilverCougar, on 13 February 2010 - 01:16 AM, said:

I know, shocking ainnit?  *snickers and continues nomming ST*


OK missy I'm going to give an hour till you have to stop nomming me  :lol:

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 01:44 AM

I'd just like to put my two cents worth in here, being a vegetarian, but maybe not for 'typical' reasons.
I don't eat meat because I'm a firm believer in the theory that if you eat it you should be prepared to kill it, skin it, cook it and eat it.
This attitude comes from seeing too many people thinking that chicken is something that comes pre-packaged in pink pieces.
I know that I couldn't kill, gut and prepare and animal - therefore I don't eat it.
However, I would take issue with the claim the a vegetarian diet can harm the environment. Admittedly some alternatives such as soya aren't always responsibly farmed, but condemning a vegetarian diet for including these is just as logical as condemning a carnivorous diet for potentially including Macdonald's.
The key here is a responsible, sustainable use of resources - it's neither carnivorous nor vegetarian diets that are exclusively at fault.


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Posted 13 February 2010 - 02:05 AM

*snickers* Ooook fiiine ST... *goes back to her tuna and rum*


Sthenno.. I can see your point of veiw, mainly because where I grew up.. yeah we did the whole.. seasonal hunting for deer thing.  A good sized buck or two could keep a family with meat for the winter.  I've helped skin and break down deer.  I've fished/cleaned/and cooked bass and other lake fish.. So yeah, if I had to do that now.. I'd beable too.  (though on the deer part.. I'll let someone with gun knowledge handle that.  Not because I can't shoot bambi's mom..  I just ain't a fan of guns.  But I'll sure as hell prepair her up. =P)

Butthe way our society evolved.. *shrugs*  If people wanna get their meat from the store..

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