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#16    Fluffybunny

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Posted 16 June 2004 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (joc @ Jun 16 2004, 05:49 AM)
You resolve....one way or the other....to take out all of the nests and destroy completely the threat.

thank-you

So joc, should we nuke them now, or later?

joc, I love your analogies...you make things so simple to understand...

...unfortunately...

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Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 16 June 2004 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE (Talon S. @ Jun 16 2004, 01:34 AM)
If they do move against Iraq is gives the US the perfect opertunity to attack Iran, take out another member of the Axis of evil, without being blamed for invading without provication  grin2.gif .

Although more likely due to the anti-war sentiment, the US will sit back and let Iran absorb Iraq. Dear god, thats all we need, an even larger Iran.

I think the U.S. will probably turn against itself eventually within the next 20 years. Friggin media doesn't know when to shut up so each war becomes another Vietnam. Thats why we have all the anti-war sentiment. What happened to the days when people were patriotic, like in WWII? Or even WWI?  

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 02:20 AM

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So joc, should we nuke them now, or later?

joc, I love your analogies...you make things so simple to understand...

...unfortunately...



I am not advocating nuking anyone.  I am simply saying that you cannot take out Saddam only and expect the other threats to just go away.  

To analogize yet again:  Nuking anyone over there would be equivalent to eradicating  the wasp nest with a stick of dynamite. w00t.gif

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This quote is actually very true.   Too many people have the simple, neat and ultimately wrong idea about the war on terror.....TALK TO THEM...SHOW THEM WE CARE AND ARE UNDERSTANDING....NEGOTIATE A PEACE SETTLEMENT........

Again, I will reitertate:  You are a very intelligent guy Fluffybunny.  But you are just flat out wrong about the war in Iraq and about President Bush.  No matter how I try to paint the correct picture for you,  you just have this amazing ability to gloss right over the points somehow.  Oh well....perhaps we should just agree to disagree.   In the end we will get old and die.    But in the meantime..............

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 08:21 AM

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No matter how I try to paint the correct picture for you, you just have this amazing ability to gloss right over the points somehow.


Maybe joc, we have trouble seeing this rosy image of Iraq because the facts speak louder than your patriotic flag waving.

Right now Coalition soldiers have pulled out of towns under cease fire agreements with terrorists, there have been assisinations of Iraq ploiticians, car bombings happening every day in Baghdad, kidnapping of Western workers, massacres of Iraqi security services, hospitals running out of medicine, oil pipes being destroyed and the streets of the Capital are overflowing with sewerage and you want to start another war with Iran?

Not content with the mess we will be leaving behind us, you now want to repeat this folly there.

May I remind you, joc, that Iran hasn't been crippled by the kinds of sanctions that had Iraq on the ropes before the first shot of the war was fired.

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 10:01 AM

Right on stamford and fluffybunny.

You keep goin on about our liberal media.

So joc which newspaper, and stations are liberal over here , do tell me please.

The staunchest right wing media here is among the most critical of the war.

As for Iran well what the hell did we expect would happen when we weakened iraq lol.

That we'd pull pull out and all the countries around it would just forget about about the past.

Ok joc i know your not to great with the past so i'll highlight it for you.

We funded Iraq and armed them in a decade long war with Iran,

with our weapons husseign committed countless atrocities against the iranian people.

But tehre you go lets just forget about that........now wheres my rose coloured specs.

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 11:50 AM

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If we leave Iraq and it devolves into what it was before we liberated them, well in my opinion it was all a failure at that point. Right now it is too early to put a checkmark in the win column, sorry. Just getting saddam out is great, but there are several just like him waiting to take his place, and unless we have long term positive results in Iraq, the whole mission would be a failure


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So joc which newspaper, and stations are liberal over here , do tell me please.

The staunchest right wing media here is among the most critical of the war.


Then I can only conclude that they all are!!  

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Maybe joc, we have trouble seeing this rosy image of Iraq because the facts speak louder than your patriotic flag waving.


To highlight the negative facts and completely ignore the positive facts creates an impression of things which is not accurate.  No one said the image was rosy.  That is your quote not mine. wink2.gif  

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 11:58 AM

Don't count your chickens just yet joc..... as I've a feeling that Fluffy may have an entirely diffrent definition of what constitutes "long term positive results in Iraq" than you do.

For instance I suspect his definition includes true democracy for the Iraqies, even if they choose a government that is activly opposed to American interests! tongue.gif  

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Posted 17 June 2004 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE (joc @ Jun 17 2004, 04:50 AM)
To highlight the negative facts and completely ignore the positive facts creates an impression of things which is not accurate.

Everyone sing along....

You've got to Ac-Cent-Tchu-Ate the Positive ..eliminate the negative...

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Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 09:27 AM

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To highlight the negative facts and completely ignore the positive facts creates an impression of things which is not accurate. No one said the image was rosy.


I probably shouldn't mention the 35 people killed in a suicide bombing in Baghdad yesterday then?

Bit too negative.

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 10:25 AM

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I probably shouldn't mention the 35 people killed in a suicide bombing in Baghdad yesterday then?


you should mention it, however you should also mention the positive stuff that is happening:)

that said, during this war, we have seen less deaths than those directly attributed to Saddam over a similar period, in non-war time, thats not counting all the people who got screwed over because of the UN sanctions that did nothing because of Saddams abuse of the Oil for castles program:)


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Posted 18 June 2004 - 11:11 AM

QUOTE (bathory @ Jun 18 2004, 11:25 AM)

that said, during this war, we have seen less deaths than those directly attributed to Saddam over a similar period, in non-war time

Those deaths wheren't, in the main happening to the 'average Iraqi' but rather to minority groups such as the Kurds. Your statement doesn't change the fact that for the average Iraqi citizen life is more dangerous and less stable than prior to the war, which is where a lot of the resentment is comming from!

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With a nasty habbit

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Kill dah wabbit!!!
Kill dah wabbit!!!
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