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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:07 PM

View Postthe L, on 16 February 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

I know we dont agree about many things. I thought on this particular.
Could it be that we re construct antikythera mechanism wrongly, could it be that also have had time keeping and with it help sailors to know longitude?

Its more logic to have watch on ship then astronomical model.

yes, could be, and as soon as you have some evidence that it is so please wake me up. But the people working on these things generally are not idiots, and there is nothing to gain by identifying a clock as an astronomical computer.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:20 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 16 February 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

yes, could be, and as soon as you have some evidence that it is so please wake me up. But the people working on these things generally are not idiots, and there is nothing to gain by identifying a clock as an astronomical computer.

Because of founded parts they constructed astronomic model doesnt mean that someone couldnt construct a watch.

What do you think, what would you bring on the sea, watch or model for study?

I dont called those guys idiots. Just that there might be another story.

Maps could be evidence. Artifacts. Its strech but still.

But I found logic as starting point of my working hypothesis. :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 16 February 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

Water clocks were not really precise enough, their dials were adequate to show 20 minutes time lapses and were not as common as you want to make us believe. In all of Greece there was demonstrably one. And there was a whole new law created for its use and the rights citizens had to inform themselves about the time.

After the Greek, the Alexandrian had a water clock 100 years before the first one came to Rome, in 10 AD erected by Augustus in the Campus Martius. Not until Trajan's reign (~100 AD) did it become fashionable to own a clock at all (no matter if sundial or water clock).

And the Roman time pieces were hardly precise, as they tried to divide the day (no matter if Summer or Winter) in 12 equal parts, something that never quite worked. By the time it occurred to somebody that day and night might have different hours the Roman empire was on a very steep decline.

Simple water clocks were perfectly common (a pot with a hole, or two pots of which one had a hole), though obviously the larger more advanced types were rarer and restricted to the upper class.  But they were accurate enough for much of the astronomy done in the period, which wasn't really surpassed until Galileo (and he himself used water clocks in his own laboratory, in fact using them to measure the timing of pendulums).


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

View PostEverdred, on 16 February 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

Simple water clocks were perfectly common (a pot with a hole, or two pots of which one had a hole), though obviously the larger more advanced types were rarer and restricted to the upper class.  But they were accurate enough for much of the astronomy done in the period, which wasn't really surpassed until Galileo (and he himself used water clocks in his own laboratory, in fact using them to measure the timing of pendulums).

Now you surely can quote a classic work about astronomy that required a clock too, can't you?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:11 AM

View Postthe L, on 16 February 2013 - 06:20 PM, said:

Because of founded parts they constructed astronomic model doesnt mean that someone couldnt construct a watch.

What do you think, what would you bring on the sea, watch or model for study?

I dont called those guys idiots. Just that there might be another story.

Maps could be evidence. Artifacts. Its strech but still.

But I found logic as starting point of my working hypothesis. :rolleyes:

But people DID construct time pieces in those days, however the mechanism this thread is about is not one of them. This was clearly an astrological mechanism or something that might be used for navigation. The latter being a tad more important on a ship than a time piece, to be honest.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:04 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 18 February 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

But people DID construct time pieces in those days, however the mechanism this thread is about is not one of them. This was clearly an astrological mechanism or something that might be used for navigation. The latter being a tad more important on a ship than a time piece, to be honest.

Searcher, time keeping IS most important thing for navigation. If you want I can explain it to you. I also recently just found out that.

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