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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#3781    Abramelin

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:03 PM

This is not about the OLB, but about KRODO.

KRODO, a god standing on a fish with in one hand a bucket with flowers, in the other a wheel. A symbol of Time

KHIDR, a saint standing on a fish, a 6-spoked wheel as his seal, depicted as cloaked in green and in front of green trees and bushes.
Amongst many other things, he also stands for eternity, he's the "Eternal Wanderer", just like Wodan/Odin.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:08 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 26 April 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

crown (n.)
early 12c., "royal crown," from Anglo-French coroune, Old French corone (13c., Modern French couronne), from Latin corona "crown," originally "wreath, garland," related to Greek korone "anything curved, kind of crown." Old English used corona, directly from Latin.

http://www.etymonlin...searchmode=none
You think I don't know that?  Makes no difference, to me.

I'm tired, I'll leave tonight with one of my favourite paintings...

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:21 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 26 April 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

You think I don't know that?  Makes no difference, to me.

I'm tired, I'll leave tonight with one of my favourite paintings...


I didn't say you didn't know, I just added.

And KRODO is often also depicted wearing such a garland, or piece of cloth, as in your painting.

Sleep well.

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Edited by Abramelin, 26 April 2013 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:24 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 26 April 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I didn't say you didn't know, I just added.

And KRODO is often also depicted wearing such a garland, or piece of cloth, as in your painting.

Sleep well.

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Sorry Abe, I'm tired and grumbly, I didn't mean to be rude, which it came across as. Thankyou, goodnight all.

PS: Notice Bacchus standing on the wheel too? Hmm

Edited by The Puzzler, 26 April 2013 - 04:27 PM.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:29 PM

Well I like the two leopards.  They look like they wonder what they are doing there.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:43 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 26 April 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Sorry Abe, I'm tired and grumbly, I didn't mean to be rude, which it came across as. Thankyou, goodnight all.

PS: Notice Bacchus standing on the wheel too? Hmm

Maybe Titian was inspired by the statue (or medieval drawing) of Krodo?


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

Teutonic Mythology, Volume 2 - Jacob W. Grimm

http://books.google....epage&q&f=false

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:43 PM

A bit more about this KRODO (for those who lost it, it is connected with the OLB "KRODER" - wheelbarrow - , with the 6-spoked Yule wheel and time).

What's interesting is that no one has a real idea where the word KRODO came from, which happens to be the case for the Dutch word "kruid" (herb) or the German word "kraut"....

Krodo carries a basket or something filled with herbs (they say flowers, but I can't see that in the drawings).

He stands for renewal (spring?), rebirth, time, cycle, the road of life?

What did they say about Khidr?  "As the eternally youthful keeper of the wellspring he rejuvenated people and animals and plants ... and covered the earth in springtime with fresh  greenness "

But what's that fish doing under Krodo's feet....?  A possible answer comes from the interpretation of Khidr's symbology, Khidr who is also standing on a fish:

In western Asia, Moslem or Hindu symbolic art shows the Saint, Al Khizr, dressed in a green coat being carried on top of the water by a fish which conveys him over the river of life.

http://wtchdktr.live...al.com/325.html
http://kataragama.org/islamic.htm

Here Khidr is seen standing on a fish (Jesus) crossing the river of life.

http://www.thelostword.dk/index3.htm

From a German site I linked to loooong ago:

Fisch
Das Element Wasser, Nahrung und die späteren christlichen Werte unserer Gesellschaft

fish
The element of water, food and the later Christian values ​​of our society


http://www.woick-wan.../crodo_plan.htm




Now about that "kruid" or "Kraut":


J. de Vries (1971), Nederlands Etymologisch Woordenboek

krodde 2 znw. v. naam voor ‘herik, sinapis arvensis’ (Gron. Friesl. oostel. Nl., West-Friesland, Zuid-Holland), ook voor perzikkruid, polygonum persicaria (Groningen, Oost-Drente, West-Friesland). Gaat men uit van een grondvorm *krŭðjō, dan kan men het woord verbinden met *krūða, waarvoor zie: kruid.

J. de Vries (1971), Dutch Etymological Dictionary

krodde 2 noun. (female). name for 'wild mustard, Sinapis arvensis' (Groningen Friesland. eastern NL., Westfriesland, South Holland), also for redshank, polygonum persicaria (Groningen, eastern Drenthe, Westfriesland). Assuming a basic form * krŭðjō, one can connect the word with * krūða,  see: kruid


http://www.etymologi...efwoord/krodde2



J. de Vries (1971), Nederlands Etymologisch Woordenboek

kruid znw. o., mnl. cruut o. ‘kruid, gewas, eetbare plant, specerij, geneeskrachtige plant’, os. krūd ‘onkruid’, ohd. chrūt (nhd. kraut) ‘klein bladgewas, groente, kool’, laat-ofri. krūd. — Het is bedenkelijk voor een woord, dat op een zo beperkt gebied voorkomt, aanknopingen in het idg. te zoeken (...)
In een geval als dit kan men herkomst uit een substraattaal overwegen

J. de Vries (1971), Dutch Etymological Dictionary

kruid noun. (neuter, male). cruut (neuter) 'herb, plant, edible plants, spices, medicinal plants, Old Saxon krūd' weeds', Old High German chrūt (New High German kraut) 'small leaf crop, vegetable, cabbage', late Old Frisian krūd. - It is questionable to look for connections in Indo-germanic for a word that occurs in such a limited area (...)
In a case like this one can consider a substrate language as an origin


http://www.etymologi...trefwoord/kruid

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Edited by Abramelin, 26 April 2013 - 07:08 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 07:29 PM

Krodo as a young man:

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Krodo as an old man with a beard:

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Khiḍr is believed to be a man who has the appearance of a young adult but with a long, white beard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr

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EDIT:

Krodo is said to carry a basket with red roses, although only one drawing shows him like that:

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Korb mit roten Rosen
das Sinnbild für Fruchtbarkeit, die Natur und die schützenswerte Umwelt

Basket with red roses
the symbol of fertility, nature and the environment worth protecting


http://www.woick-wan.../crodo_plan.htm



Then we have Khidr, and watch the red rose :

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And that is not just 'a' rose, the rose is a very important symbol in Sufism.

Sufis - Idries Shah

http://books.google....ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA

(I have 28 books about Sufism, including this one.)


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Edited by Abramelin, 26 April 2013 - 08:21 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:32 PM

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Another book by Idries Shah. Notice the rose on the cover.

Sorry for going off-topic. I am done with Khidr-Krodo.

I will leave you with this, from Idries Shah's "Sufis":

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Edited by Abramelin, 26 April 2013 - 08:48 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:42 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 26 April 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I didn't say you didn't know, I just added.

And KRODO is often also depicted wearing such a garland, or piece of cloth, as in your painting.

Sleep well.

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And a weird star formation in the sky  .


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:05 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 26 April 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

Krodo as a young man:

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Krodo as an old man with a beard:

Posted Image


Khiḍr is believed to be a man who has the appearance of a young adult but with a long, white beard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr

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EDIT:

Krodo is said to carry a basket with red roses, although only one drawing shows him like that:

Posted Image

Korb mit roten Rosen
das Sinnbild für Fruchtbarkeit, die Natur und die schützenswerte Umwelt

Basket with red roses
the symbol of fertility, nature and the environment worth protecting


http://www.woick-wan.../crodo_plan.htm



Then we have Khidr, and watch the red rose :

Posted Image

And that is not just 'a' rose, the rose is a very important symbol in Sufism.

Sufis - Idries Shah

http://books.google....ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA

(I have 28 books about Sufism, including this one.)


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He has a halo around his head so presumably he is considered a God , ......why are gods/goddesses frequently shown as standing on the backs of an animal ......eg mesopotamian  gods , ishtar , etc ,mostly shown standing on lions or griffins, even if they are seated , they often still have their feet on animals  ............. as if they are too royal to stand on common earth like humans , ??

your recent post of guenevere on may day , said that she and all those who accompanied her were all dressed in green.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:07 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 26 April 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

They returned to their ancestral land, yes, but now you are forcing in a confusing extra.

It appears you want Aldlland to be in Frisian territory, while the OLB clearly states it was FAR AWAY from Frisian/Fryan territory.

I tried to point out, that one should not confuse the Frisian Aldland (ancestral land) and the Aldland of the Finda people, which one may regard as the biblical flood itself. By counting the years since Aldland has been sunken the OLB links the Frisian flood to the biblical flood, which becomes obvious by using the same year 2193 v.Chr. from the Frisian calendar.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:20 PM

View PostNO-ID-EA, on 26 April 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

He has a halo around his head so presumably he is considered a God , ......why are gods/goddesses frequently shown as standing on the backs of an animal ......eg mesopotamian  gods , ishtar , etc ,mostly shown standing on lions or griffins, even if they are seated , they often still have their feet on animals  ............. as if they are too royal to stand on common earth like humans , ??

your recent post of guenevere on may day , said that she and all those who accompanied her were all dressed in green.


I never posted about Guinevere, lol. Or did I? Show me a link, please.

Guys with halos around their heads are not 'gods', but saints, socalled 'holy people'.

And I do remember having explained why Krodo and Khidr were standing on the back of a fish.

Stop smoking pot.


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Edited by Abramelin, 26 April 2013 - 10:29 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:22 PM

View PostKnul, on 26 April 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

I tried to point out, that one should not confuse the Frisian Aldland (ancestral land) and the Aldland of the Finda people, which one may regard as the biblical flood itself. By counting the years since Aldland has been sunken the OLB links the Frisian flood to the biblical flood, which becomes obvious by using the same year 2193 v.Chr. from the Frisian calendar.

I am glad you explained that now, for you never did before.





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