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[FurthurBB]

ziczac, on 07 September 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

@ Alien Abducter -  so what do we have here another supporter of the Monkey/planet of apes theorist ...hahahhaha...
you darwinists really have alot in common, not only you like the fact that you are all originally monkeys but also you make spelling mistakes! probably that's why you believe so... hahahhahah
by the way, I can scientifically prove that the monkey theory is nothing more than a justin bieber song... it only attracts stupid teenagers ... hahahhahahah

Again with the same tone when people are being respectful to you.  It does not bode well for your point.

[Amy the Mighty]

I was a vegetarian for years, until I met my boyfriend and fell off the wagon. Now I eat meat maybe once or twice a week. I grew up on a farm where we killed and ate all our own meat, except for the occasional pig, duck or turkey that neighbours exchanged with us. I feel much healthier when I am vegetarian. I would get my protein from beans, peas, mushrooms, lentils. I would rarely use meat substitutes, because they're so heavily processed, and I wanted my food to be as uncomplicated as possible. I think it takes a lot of time to learn how to do vegetarian meals, where high protein vegetables are included in the recipe, instead of just slapping some spuds and carrots on a plate, next to a lump of cold, unappetising tofu. That is not being a vegetarian. That is bl**dy revolting. I can totally understand people hating the idea of becoming vegetarian if that is what they think it is.

I do really love tempeh, though. Even my cat loves it.

A workmate recently introduced me to Quorn mince, which was AMAZING! We use it when we can't get to the halal butcher, when we cook for Muslim clients. I generally consider beef mince to be the most boring form of meat, and when we use Quorn in lasagne and tacos, I can't tell the difference. It is sorcery.

[Gamma-lunas]

Simbi Laveau, on 26 August 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

Soylent green is a comin

LOL. I think that this is quite a way away from that.

I think the future of protein production will come from bacteria (They have been experiementing with this already in Japan.) http://www.digitaltr...t-out-of-feces/ , and insects, which are almost purely protein.

The idea that we may have to turn to a no-meat diet is not a new one. This may become a reality as our population grows. In fact it may lead to people being healthier overall. The consumption of animal programs leads many to develop health problems such as obesity, stroke and heart disease. Humans are omnivore. We tend to forget that in our culture.

Now, I am not a vegan, nor am I a vegetarian. I love bacon. I love beef, chicken, fish. I was raised on meat and potatoes.  I respect those who do not eat meat of animal products, but I love the way it tastes. If I had to switch in my life-time I would sad.

I've tried to-fu. Maybe it wasn't prepared as it should, but I didn't like it. I think I could cope if they made it taste like meat. As long as that burger tastes like beef or like chichen I could make do. They have already been changing our food. For example the raspberry flavoring found in many foods comes from the anal gland of beavers. Because it is not synthsized they can called it 'natural flavouring'. Most don't know, but if it tastes like raspberry I don't care.

Overall I think that the future requires many of us to stop cringing at the changes we may need to made. Bacteria produced proteins. Insects. If it tastes like food, I will eat it.

[Amy the Mighty]

Br Cornelius, on 28 August 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

We use a pressure cooker to batch prepare beans. We then freezer them in usable portions which works out massively cheaper than buying beans by the tin.

Br Cornelius

If you freeze the prepared beans, it helps break down the cellulose fibres within the bean. These cellulose fibres are what cause the flatulence, because your intestines have to work so hard to digest them. Freezing them causes the water molecules between the fibres to expand, which snaps the fibres. I just bought a pressure cooker, I am so pumped to try these fart-free beans!

[ziczac]

@Further BB & abducter,

you disappointed me big time guys! I explained myself like a million time and nobody understood anything from what I said. The only respectful person in fact was the user who I answered his two questions and who I happened to be interested in his points.
@ Further BB, you took the initiative to comment on what I said. Do you usuall disucss issues with ignorant people?! because I don't!

@ abducter --- you said you wanted someone to show good points on the topic of evolution. I asked three questions. Instead of challenging them, you accused me of derailing... hahhahahhaah....

And by the way, the topic you are discussing is stupid. Simply because of the following:
1- it's a scam! earth resources are more than enough... They are selling you this Shi...t to find excuses for wars. Plus you among anyone else shouldn't believe this becuase Natural Selection should take verrrrry good care of this!
2- Scientists are extremely prepared for the upcoming shortage which will not take place until very longggggggg time. There are plans for space colonization and the Matrix pills that imitate protein (it tastes like chicken, remember!)
3- how do the comments of some users about how they used to be vegans and etc.... relate to this scientific topic and doesn't derail!!!!!

Oh Please!!!!! And anger in my tone you say! I never get angry! I am the last person who would get angry in an argument ...because I love "viable" arguments.
you made me sound like Jack Nicholson "You want the truth, you can't handle the truth!"

Asta la vista baby!

[FurthurBB]

ziczac, on 10 September 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

@Further BB & abducter,

you disappointed me big time guys! I explained myself like a million time and nobody understood anything from what I said. The only respectful person in fact was the user who I answered his two questions and who I happened to be interested in his points.
@ Further BB, you took the initiative to comment on what I said. Do you usuall disucss issues with ignorant people?! because I don't!

@ abducter --- you said you wanted someone to show good points on the topic of evolution. I asked three questions. Instead of challenging them, you accused me of derailing... hahhahahhaah....

And by the way, the topic you are discussing is stupid. Simply because of the following:
1- it's a scam! earth resources are more than enough... They are selling you this Shi...t to find excuses for wars. Plus you among anyone else shouldn't believe this becuase Natural Selection should take verrrrry good care of this!
2- Scientists are extremely prepared for the upcoming shortage which will not take place until very longggggggg time. There are plans for space colonization and the Matrix pills that imitate protein (it tastes like chicken, remember!)
3- how do the comments of some users about how they used to be vegans and etc.... relate to this scientific topic and doesn't derail!!!!!

Oh Please!!!!! And anger in my tone you say! I never get angry! I am the last person who would get angry in an argument ...because I love "viable" arguments.
you made me sound like Jack Nicholson "You want the truth, you can't handle the truth!"

Asta la vista baby!

Hmmm ... more of the same.  Oh well, I guess it is easier to point out your own flaws in others.  I know children do that all the time but usually grow out of it.  As far as talking with someone ignorant, we are all ignorant of something.  If you never talk to anyone who is ignorant than you must never talk to anyone.

[FurthurBB]

Amy the Mighty, on 09 September 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

I was a vegetarian for years, until I met my boyfriend and fell off the wagon. Now I eat meat maybe once or twice a week. I grew up on a farm where we killed and ate all our own meat, except for the occasional pig, duck or turkey that neighbours exchanged with us. I feel much healthier when I am vegetarian. I would get my protein from beans, peas, mushrooms, lentils. I would rarely use meat substitutes, because they're so heavily processed, and I wanted my food to be as uncomplicated as possible. I think it takes a lot of time to learn how to do vegetarian meals, where high protein vegetables are included in the recipe, instead of just slapping some spuds and carrots on a plate, next to a lump of cold, unappetising tofu. That is not being a vegetarian. That is bl**dy revolting. I can totally understand people hating the idea of becoming vegetarian if that is what they think it is.

I do really love tempeh, though. Even my cat loves it.

A workmate recently introduced me to Quorn mince, which was AMAZING! We use it when we can't get to the halal butcher, when we cook for Muslim clients. I generally consider beef mince to be the most boring form of meat, and when we use Quorn in lasagne and tacos, I can't tell the difference. It is sorcery.

Quorn is also pretty processed and contains egg whites so it is not for vegans.

[questionmark]

FurthurBB, on 11 September 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

Hmmm ... more of the same.  Oh well, I guess it is easier to point out your own flaws in others.  I know children do that all the time but usually grow out of it.  As far as talking with someone ignorant, we are all ignorant of something. If you never talk to anyone who is ignorant than you must never talk to anyone.

Nah, everybody she talks to communicates with the same ritualistic fomulae and bonmots. If you do that as a group you can hide the fact that you know nothing quite well.

[Abramelin]

An interesting site about Diet & Human Evolution :

http://www.beyondveg...terview1a.shtml

[Abramelin]

Are deer true herbivores??

[Gamma-lunas]

Hilander, on 27 August 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

Cattle fed only grass is low in cholesterol.  Its the way they are fed that makes beef bad for you.

Umm...Do you know what cholesterol is? Cholesterol is a type of fat which is almost exclusively produced by animal cells for animal cells. They serve as precurors to hormones and to stabilize the cell membrane. Cholesterol and fat are not the same.

We need cholesterol, but we can make it. The cholesterol we ingest reduces what we need to made. Ex. (Simplified terms)

Required Amount = Diet + Production

10 = 5   + 5  - Balanced - Healthy
10 = 7   + 3  - Balanced - Healthy
10 = 10 + 0  - Balanced - Healthy

10= 25 + 0   - Unbalanced, 15 excess - Unhealthy Prolonged trend leads to clogging of the arteries.


Grass as a plants and grains have very little cholesterol. How does what a caw eats affect the level of cholesterol? It seems to be the amount of cholesterol, found in meat, one eats which puts one over the edge of health.

I eat meat. I love the way it tastes, but it seems like quite a leap to suggest it's the diet of the cow and not the volume of consumption.

Portion sizes have gotten so large that people feel the need to blame someone else for thier health. A serving of meat is 3 oz. Many steaks are 6,8,10 or 12 oz. Given the recomended intake of 2-3 servings daily, an 8 oz steak fullfils your daily needs, but to adhere to these healthy standard, you would need to have a vegan breakfast and lunch.

So instead of blaming the cows diet, which most farmers feed a variety of food, I might suggest people examine their diets.

I would be more than willing to side with you on this, but unless you show me some scientific documents proving this, my science background tells me that you have been misinformed.

[Gamma-lunas]

ziczac, on 07 September 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

you haven't raised attractive points to take part in. The only one that caught my attention where those two questions which I happened to have answers to. I don't see any other good questions in here and I promise you when I see ones, I will definitely have my time around you guys

Might I ask If you graduated from highschool? The true mark of an educated mind is the ability to entertain ideas without believing them.

I have known many creationists which make some pausible points based on science. You have only offered oppinion. I contend that you are either a troll or very uneducated in science and biology. I suggest that you understand the ideas being put-forward before trying to counter them. If you wish to argue in favour of you beliefs you need to know how to do this logically. You show no signs of doing this.


The existance of God is neither the point of this thread, nor is excluded by the concept of evolution.