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#91    psyche101

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:25 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 20 January 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

This post isn't aimed only at these four responses, these are just examples of an issue I wanted to raise.  It seems that emotional attachment to an animal is an important point for people who say that a heaven wouldn't be heaven if said creature wasn't there....

I recently watched a finale of a tv-series in which the main character died.  This character I had gotten to know over a period of years and became emotionally involved in their triumphs and pains.  In this finale episode the character died.  And I cried.  It was a very emotional episode and I cried virtually from start to finish.  So in context of this discussion, my question to counter these responses is....

Do tv-characters go to heaven?

For many people, characters on tv represent real people. And over the course of years people become invested into the lives of these people.  Their triumphs are our triumphs, their pains are our pains.  But at some point things end, and sometimes a character dies.  We know they aren't "real", but regardless of this we still cry and mourn and wish the script-writers had chosen alternative ends.  Mourning the end of a character in a series may seem a laughable scenario, but it happens (it happened to me just today when watching a series finale), and when it does we mourn.  I wished to hell that the series didn't end THAT way, that the writers could have chosen a less heart-wrenching alternative, and in some strange way my life won't be the same without that character.  Many of the arguments about animals in heaven could apply to tv-characters who I've known and loved and lost.  

So, do tv-characters go to heaven?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:45 AM

View PostDarkwind, on 20 January 2013 - 12:19 PM, said:

An animal is a living breathing being, TV-characters are fictional and are not alive. I don't see the similarity. If you don't know the difference that is very sad and you are in need of counseling.  :whistle:
I know the difference.  I was commenting on the implication that because we have an emotional attachment to animals that therefore it would not be "heaven" if they weren't there.  Whether the emotional attachment is as strong for a fictional character compared to an animal, the fact is that there is an emotional attachment.  Anyone who's watched a tv show (or movie) and cried when something happened to the main character has displayed this emotional attachment.


View PostlibstaK, on 20 January 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Is that really a fair comparison?  My pets have a huge impact on my state of mind.
Tv characters do not likely have the same depth of impact on us, but nonetheless they do impact us.  If they didn't, we wouldn't watch it.


View PostlibstaK, on 20 January 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

But the fact is, I am not just talking about our pets getting to heaven, I am talking about the nature of heaven itself and what we would consider a piece of heavenly bliss.  For me green meadows, wild flowers a pure flowing stream and rivers/lakes, mountains, trees, birds, rabbits, foxes, every one of God's creatures in fact all enjoying peace and harmony, as above so below, if God created the earth and all it's creatures and saw that it was good would he not also have all that is good in heaven too?  We can't claim to know but we can use our imagination and not exclude the possibility that our pets will be part of our bliss.
Since I believe that when we are in heaven we will be new creations in a new world with new bodies, I would not presume to say "for me, this is heaven and therefore that is what heaven will be like".  My heaven at the moment will include lots of Star Wars, when I'm in heaven I'm not expecting to own Collectors merchandise from the original 1977 films.


View PostZaraKitty, on 21 January 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

Regardless if they go to heaven or not I'd go anywhere with him. I can't say I've ever felt so connected to a TV character that I'd compare it to my connection with my dog, but you can tie emotions to anything, real or not.
You're right, I don't think you'll feel the same deep connections with tv characters compared to animals, but as you also agree, you can tie emotions to anything.  Which is what I was trying to point out and ask people to think about - is emotional attachment to an animal really an acceptable criteria to measure whether they make it to heaven?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:53 AM

My friend to the left passed in november  from seizures  we never figured out what caused them. He was 12 and a half. As an agnostic/athiest i know i will never see him again,or any of the others that passed through the years of my life,   But i would be more than willing to go to hades, or hell or whatever you want to call it if i knew they would get into the heaven i don't believe in.
i watched the seizures rip him apart, and i watched his fear every time he came out of a seizure.and there was nothing I could do.  and i can't even explain how much they helped solidify my unbelief. I am glad he no longer suffers but that is the best i can say.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:46 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 21 January 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

Tv characters do not likely have the same depth of impact on us, but nonetheless they do impact us.  If they didn't, we wouldn't watch it.
I cried through all the Lassie movies but I never wonder if Lassie will be in heaven or that I would miss him/her if they weren't.  I just don't see the connection.  People can generally separate real people in their lives from emotional attachments to television characters.  TBH though, I don't generally get that emotionally charged over television or actors and I stay clear of ongoing drama series they bore me to tears.

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Since I believe that when we are in heaven we will be new creations in a new world with new bodies, I would not presume to say "for me, this is heaven and therefore that is what heaven will be like".  My heaven at the moment will include lots of Star Wars, when I'm in heaven I'm not expecting to own Collectors merchandise from the original 1977 films.
Fair enough and I have thought of that, however atm I am the material me and what I have loved truly (living things) still lives in me every day, I don't think the evidence is so compelling against the idea that it bars me from looking forward to a reunion or the knowledge they are living a life in heaven at the very least at this time.

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You're right, I don't think you'll feel the same deep connections with tv characters compared to animals, but as you also agree, you can tie emotions to anything.  Which is what I was trying to point out and ask people to think about - is emotional attachment to an animal really an acceptable criteria to measure whether they make it to heaven?

~ Regards, PA
I'm not sure if you've ever loved an animal/pet - it is not an emotional attachment such as we experience with material things, it is empathy, compassion and gratitude for the gift of their being.  If my pets were in heaven but I did not get to see them again, I would be ok with that too but I value them highly and think they do deserve to be there, likely more than me.  My criteria has alot of depth in terms of why they would deserve this.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:24 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 21 January 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

I know the difference.  I was commenting on the implication that because we have an emotional attachment to animals that therefore it would not be "heaven" if they weren't there.  Whether the emotional attachment is as strong for a fictional character compared to an animal, the fact is that there is an emotional attachment.  Anyone who's watched a tv show (or movie) and cried when something happened to the main character has displayed this emotional attachment.


Tv characters do not likely have the same depth of impact on us, but nonetheless they do impact us.  If they didn't, we wouldn't watch it.


Since I believe that when we are in heaven we will be new creations in a new world with new bodies, I would not presume to say "for me, this is heaven and therefore that is what heaven will be like".  My heaven at the moment will include lots of Star Wars, when I'm in heaven I'm not expecting to own Collectors merchandise from the original 1977 films.


You're right, I don't think you'll feel the same deep connections with tv characters compared to animals, but as you also agree, you can tie emotions to anything.  Which is what I was trying to point out and ask people to think about - is emotional attachment to an animal really an acceptable criteria to measure whether they make it to heaven?

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I dunno, but by the sounds of this religion you can be a rapist and go to heaven. Forgivness seems to be key. I'd rather not go to heaven anyway.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:07 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 20 January 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Do you know something we don`t? :whistle:

Unfortunately my GIF of Bart Simpson didn't show up under that quote. It's from a great scene in an early season of the Simpsons where kids in Sunday school are barraging the teacher with questions about heaven.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:08 PM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 12 January 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

There may already be a thread about this, but if not I'm just curious as to your thoughts on the matter...

(and to all non-believers, please refrain from smart aleck comments like "no because there is no heaven." Besides, my target audience are my fellow Christians after all...)

I think animals have a dimension they go to when they die, and can move into our afterlife. I think they can haunt and/or check in on their human friends following their death.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:47 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 21 January 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:24 AM

View PostlibstaK, on 21 January 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

I cried through all the Lassie movies but I never wonder if Lassie will be in heaven or that I would miss him/her if they weren't.  I just don't see the connection.  People can generally separate real people in their lives from emotional attachments to television characters.  TBH though, I don't generally get that emotionally charged over television or actors and I stay clear of ongoing drama series they bore me to tears.
A good sci-fi series can draw me in and get me involved with the lives of the characters.  And just like you, I've never actually wondered if a character goes to heaven, it just came up when people floated the suggestion that would heaven really be "heaven" if it was without something we had an emotional connection to.


View PostlibstaK, on 21 January 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

Fair enough and I have thought of that, however atm I am the material me and what I have loved truly (living things) still lives in me every day, I don't think the evidence is so compelling against the idea that it bars me from looking forward to a reunion or the knowledge they are living a life in heaven at the very least at this time.
As a Bible-believing Christian I can't find any reason to think that animals are in heaven.  If you aren't fully invested in the Bible then you may very well come to a different understanding.


View PostlibstaK, on 21 January 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

I'm not sure if you've ever loved an animal/pet - it is not an emotional attachment such as we experience with material things, it is empathy, compassion and gratitude for the gift of their being.  If my pets were in heaven but I did not get to see them again, I would be ok with that too but I value them highly and think they do deserve to be there, likely more than me.  My criteria has alot of depth in terms of why they would deserve this.
Yes, I've loved a pet.  My dog (a Kelpie/Labrador/German Shepherd cross) was my companion for about 16 years before it passed away a few years back.  I can still remember exactly what I was doing the night I found him dead.  But will I see him in heaven?  I can't justify it.  Perhaps my mind can summon a recreation of my dog, in which case it would be the same animal, but I can't see it being a case where our pets literally end up in heaven.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:29 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 21 January 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

I dunno, but by the sounds of this religion you can be a rapist and go to heaven. Forgivness seems to be key. I'd rather not go to heaven anyway.
Anyone can enter heaven.  Yes, even rapists if they are truly repentant.  Repentance is the key, not forgiveness, though repentance leads to forgiveness so I can see why you would make the error (and for the record, repentance is far more than just saying "sorry" - many people don't realise or understand that).


View PostZaraKitty, on 21 January 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

I'd rather not go to heaven anyway.
Ultimately it's your choice.  I don't know what you believe about the afterlife (or if you believe there even is one), but everyone needs to work out what they believe on their own.  I wish you the best in your search.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:32 AM

I've lost three dogs and countless fish in my life and I cried each time one died. Are they in Heaven? Yes, I truly believe so.


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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:52 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 22 January 2013 - 12:24 AM, said:

As a Bible-believing Christian I can't find any reason to think that animals are in heaven. If you aren't fully invested in the Bible then you may very well come to a different understanding.
Is this a form of special pleading?  I am a little surprised - it almost reads as "if you are not with us you are against us".  Are these folk sufficiently invested in the bible? Or just maintaining a sense of humour while recognising that nowhere in the bible does it say dogs do not go to heaven .....


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Posted 22 January 2013 - 06:45 AM

View PostlibstaK, on 22 January 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

Is this a form of special pleading?  I am a little surprised - it almost reads as "if you are not with us you are against us".
I simply meant that a full Bible-believing Christian cannot infer that animals have eternal souls, and that there are many arguments against them having souls.  If you move beyond the Bible as many people do, then you are free to infer whatever you like.  I know you aren't a strict Bible-literalist, so you can make any judgement you like about animals going to heaven.


View PostlibstaK, on 22 January 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

Are these folk sufficiently invested in the bible? Or just maintaining a sense of humour while recognising that nowhere in the bible does it say dogs do not go to heaven .....

For some reason I'm receiving an Error when I clicked the video, so I can't really answer your question.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 06:51 AM

Humans are animals and those that believe in heaven then yes every living thing goes to heaven for a sin we could not prevent, life., if not does every living thing not go to hell for just living.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:04 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 22 January 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

I simply meant that a full Bible-believing Christian cannot infer that animals have eternal souls, and that there are many arguments against them having souls.  If you move beyond the Bible as many people do, then you are free to infer whatever you like.  I know you aren't a strict Bible-literalist, so you can make any judgement you like about animals going to heaven.


For some reason I'm receiving an Error when I clicked the video, so I can't really answer your question.
That's ok, I am sure you have sign the church sign "Do Dogs Go to Heaven" debate before, if not you can use that title to google it.

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