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#2536    skyeagle409

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:17 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 22 June 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

It appears that what you are waiting for is a signed confession from Dubya & Dick.  Nothing else would open your mind, and that might not even work. :innocent:

Real evidence speaks louder than words.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:28 PM

The complete blackout of the motivation of the 9/11 terrorists tilled the soil for conspiracy theories to grow which further contributed to our collective ignorance.   The only real conspiracy of this issue is that the foreign policy was more important than the rule of law, the truth, our liberty, our security, and our lives.   Our freedom got blamed.  The "intelligence" got blamed.  Muslims got blamed.  Saddam Hussein got blamed.  Absolve the government of its responsibility, and prevent our people from reassessing our policy at all costs.



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 01:23 PM

View PostYamato, on 22 June 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

The complete blackout of the motivation of the 9/11 terrorists tilled the soil for conspiracy theories to grow which further contributed to our collective ignorance.   The only real conspiracy of this issue is that the foreign policy was more important than the rule of law, the truth, our liberty, our security, and our lives.   Our freedom got blamed.  The "intelligence" got blamed.  Muslims got blamed.  Saddam Hussein got blamed.  Absolve the government of its responsibility, and prevent our people from reassessing our policy at all costs.



The complete blackout of the truth by the mainstream media, and the refusal of the Bush administration to conduct a proper investigation, and the blatant inaccuracy and falsehoods reached by those investigation are a blackout themselves.

THOSE are what led to all the conspiracy theories.  When the government's story cannot withstand minimal scrutiny without collapsing, it appears certain the government is lying.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 03:59 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 June 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

THOSE are what led to all the conspiracy theories.  When the government's story cannot withstand minimal scrutiny without collapsing, it appears certain the government is lying.

What has been collapsing over the years were 911 conspiracy claims, and in fact, their claims have collapsed one after another as they were scrutinized.

There are those within the 911  conspiracy movement who have misinterpreted data and eyewitness accounts. Remember, they've claimed the airliners were switched, but radar data, ACARS and communication tapes indicated no such thing.

They have said that United 93 was shot down, but the military had no orders to shoot down anything when United 93 crashed. In fact, the military was unaware that United 93 had even crashed.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 06:53 PM

93 wasn't shot down Sky.  30 minutes after it supposedly crashed in Shanksville, it was still flying in Illinois somewhere.  Which only makes sense, because there is no visible evidence of a wrecked Boeing in that field.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 07:23 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 June 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

93 wasn't shot down Sky.  30 minutes after it supposedly crashed in Shanksville, it was still flying in Illinois somewhere.

False! At no time did radar data nor ACARS depict United 93 in the sky after it crashed. Add to the fact that victims of United 93 were recovered at the United 93 crash site, but  you were aware of that fact. :yes: .

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Which only makes sense, because there is no visible evidence of a wrecked Boeing in that field.

Let's take another look.



Flight path of United 93

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United Airlines Statement on Plane Crashes

Following is a statement issued by United Airlines on the crash of Flight 93 near Pittsburgh and Flight 175 in a location that was not immediately disclosed:
United Airlines has now confirmed that two of its aircraft have crashed.

— UA 93, a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed from Newark, N.J. at 8:01 a.m. local time, bound for San Francisco, with 38 passengers on board, two pilots, five flight attendants.

http://www.washingto..._text091101.htm

Flight 93 victims' effects to go back to families

United Airlines Flight 93 slammed into the earth Sept. 11 near Shanksville, Somerset County, at more than 500 mph, with a ferocity that disintegrated metal, bone and flesh. It took more than three months to identify the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers.


Those remains were gathered by the FBI and other investigators from the 50-foot-deep pit the Boeing 757 jet gouged in a reclaimed strip mine, and from the woods adjoining the crash site.
But searchers also gathered surprisingly intact mementos of lives lost.

Those items, such as a wedding ring and other jewelry, photos, credit cards, purses and their contents, shoes, a wallet and currency, are among seven boxes of identified personal effects salvaged from the site. They sit in an El Segundo, Calif., mortuary and will be returned to victims' families in February.

"We have some property for most passengers," said Craig Hendrix, a funeral coordinator and a personal effects administrator with Douglass Air Disaster Funeral Coordinators, a company often contacted by airlines after devastating crashes.

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Wreckage of United 93

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So once again, you got caught trying to deceive readers.

Edited by skyeagle409, 23 June 2013 - 07:31 PM.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:56 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 23 June 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

93 wasn't shot down Sky.  30 minutes after it supposedly crashed in Shanksville, it was still flying in Illinois somewhere.  Which only makes sense, because there is no visible evidence of a wrecked Boeing in that field.

Don't understand why you continue to assert that flight 93 was tracked over Illinois after the reported crash time.  The ACARS data has been explained to you ad nauseum.

Just because you shy away from that topic and come back several months later to repeat the same, already been debunked, misinformation, doesn't make it anymore true.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:53 PM

It has been explained to YOU, Raptor.  Or more accurately, you have embraced the explanation.  I do not.  Neither you nor anybody else here has been able to offer an explanation as to how WoodyBox was incorrect in his analysis.  FWIW, there are some Italian investigators that concur.

Or more accurately perhaps, he has offered an explanation that is consistent with what other corroborating evidence offers--there was no 757 in that field that day.

You claim there was a 757 there that day, but you cannot prove it.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 02:03 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 24 June 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

It has been explained to YOU, Raptor.  Or more accurately, you have embraced the explanation.  I do not.  Neither you nor anybody else here has been able to offer an explanation as to how WoodyBox was incorrect in his analysis.

It has been explained to you also, BR.  There is no record in the ACARS data that suggests Flight 93 was in Illinois after the crash time.  It was simply the RGS attempting to predict where the aircraft should have been once it stopped communicating after the crash time (that is simply how the system works according to ARINC documentation).  The uplink blocks even state error codes after the crash time demonstrating non-receipt from the aircraft.  I informed you of why WoodyBox is incorrect here: -

http://www.unexplain...45#entry4694871

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 02:32 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 24 June 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

It has been explained to YOU, Raptor.  Or more accurately, you have embraced the explanation.  I do not.  Neither you nor anybody else here has been able to offer an explanation as to how WoodyBox was incorrect in his analysis.  FWIW, there are some Italian investigators that concur.

Or more accurately perhaps, he has offered an explanation that is consistent with what other corroborating evidence offers--there was no 757 in that field that day.

You claim there was a 757 there that day, but you cannot prove it.

On top of Q's analysis he offered you 3 months ago about woodybox's explanation, I sent you the link to ARINC's PDF file of the model used in the commercial airlines of the time.

I assume you just hand waved it away like most other evidence that doesn't support your agenda.

Like I said before.  Trying to convince you of anything reminds me of the SS cascade debacle.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 06:02 PM

this will give you an idea who was behind the plot

Murdering Liberty Killing Hope

https://www.box.com/shared/4vbu1tkq32

nine eleven gold

https://www.box.com/shared/yghazdjnmd

hint. 240 billion dollars .................follow the money.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 07:59 PM

View PostQ24, on 24 June 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

It has been explained to you also, BR.  There is no record in the ACARS data that suggests Flight 93 was in Illinois after the crash time.  It was simply the RGS attempting to predict where the aircraft should have been once it stopped communicating after the crash time (that is simply how the system works according to ARINC documentation).  The uplink blocks even state error codes after the crash time demonstrating non-receipt from the aircraft.  I informed you of why WoodyBox is incorrect here: -

http://www.unexplain...45#entry4694871

Sorry Q.  As much as I respect your knowledge and views, I think you're wrong on that.  The data and interpretation provided by Woody are persuasive to me.  No humans were texting, but the machines were still communicating.  You and I will have to agree to disagree on the interpretation of data.

Sure as heck was not a Boeing in that field that day, and it makes perfect sense that if it flew at all that day, and it seems from evidence at Newark that it did, it was still logged on to the system and communicating computer-to-computer in Illinois.

Bollyn's 2011 interview with Wally Miller explains exactly how it happened at Shanksville that day, but you're probably not interested in reading that.  Though that interview does not touch upon the ACARS data, it does explain other actions, and does dovetail nicely with ACARS.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:24 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 24 June 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Sorry Q.  As much as I respect your knowledge and views, I think you're wrong on that.  The data and interpretation provided by Woody are persuasive to me.  No humans were texting, but the machines were still communicating.  You and I will have to agree to disagree on the interpretation of data.

Sure as heck was not a Boeing in that field that day, and it makes perfect sense that if it flew at all that day, and it seems from evidence at Newark that it did, it was still logged on to the system and communicating computer-to-computer in Illinois.

Bollyn's 2011 interview with Wally Miller explains exactly how it happened at Shanksville that day, but you're probably not interested in reading that.  Though that interview does not touch upon the ACARS data, it does explain other actions, and does dovetail nicely with ACARS.

The information on the ACARS system is on ARINC's website.  in PDF form and specifically states how the system handles failed up-links....in detail!!

This is why you lose any sort of credibility in this discussion is because you are susceptible to reading and agreeing gish gallop and woo off sites like PF911T.

Why base your understanding off someone else's obvious bias analysis when it would that much easier to read about the system off the company's own provided documentation??

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:04 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 24 June 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Sorry Q.  As much as I respect your knowledge and views, I think you're wrong on that.  The data and interpretation provided by Woody are persuasive to me.  No humans were texting, but the machines were still communicating.  You and I will have to agree to disagree on the interpretation of data.

It is very apparent that do not understand a thing about ACARS. Now, explain to us why there was no way that ACARS could have depicted United 93 in over Illinois at the time you have claimed so here is a lesson for you and after you have been enlighten, come back and tell us why you are incorrect on ACARS.

http://www.arinc.com/

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Sure as heck was not a Boeing in that field that day,...

It is apparent that you are not true with the facts and that you are simply making things up as you go considering that the victims of United 93 were recovered at the crash site of United 93 and that United Airlines confirmed the crash site as that of United 93.  

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Coroner identifies seven more victims of Flight 93 crash

Seven victims of the Sept. 11 United Airlines Flight 93 crash in Somerset County were positively identified over the weekend, bringing the number of identified bodies to 11.
But Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller said that additional identifications could take months. There were 44 passengers and crew members on the flight.


"We're in the process of notifying families," said Miller near the crash scene yesterday. "We're continuing the identification process as we speak."


http://old.post-gaze...scenenat5p5.asp


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ollyn's 2011 interview with Wally Miller explains exactly how it happened at Shanksville that day, but you're probably not interested in reading that.

Seems to me that you have been deliberately ignoring the remarks of Wally Miller's, because he confirmed the recovery of the victims from United 93. Perhaps, you missed what he has said about 911 conspiracist distorting his comments.



Edited by skyeagle409, 24 June 2013 - 11:28 PM.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:34 PM

View Postpoppet, on 24 June 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

this will give you an idea who was behind the plot

Murdering Liberty Killing Hope

https://www.box.com/shared/4vbu1tkq32

nine eleven gold

https://www.box.com/shared/yghazdjnmd

hint. 240 billion dollars .................follow the money.

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I think you forgot to mention that in the coming years, the United States will be short trillions of dollars because of the 9-11 attack, and the wars in Iraq and in Afghanistan, not to mention the long-term care for our veterans involved in those wars over the next few decades.

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