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#91    Child of Bast

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:40 PM

I am gay and this is the biggest JOKE I've ever read.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:20 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 06 February 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

Not blanket "religion". For example, Jainism and Bahaism have created ZERO wars, which not something you can say about many "isms".
Why taint them with your broad brush?
How do they deserve that?
What happened to fairness? Objectivity? Facts?

You certainly are a stickler for language and semantics, Zaphod.  It's not unfair nor non-objective to not qualify every single statement and word used any more than it is logical for you to plug in your own adjectives where none are given.  And it is certainly not logical for you to add your own qualifiers to others' statements and then admonish people based on it.  She didn't say 'all religion', so why did you add that adjective?  If I say, 'a significant cause of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is driving automobiles', is that an incorrect statement?  Have I tainted and been unfair and non-objective to electric cars?  

'Fairness' includes the responsibilities you have as the receiver of the communication, and one of those responsibilities is at the very least to not assume specific interpretations of an ambiguous statement (and almost all statements are ambiguous at some level), especially when you are assuming a negative interpretation; such is the raw material out of which countless strawmen are constructed.  I think the reminder given in your first two sentences that not all religions are responsible for wars is a fine comment all by itself; the rest seems kinda gratuitous.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:58 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 06 February 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

The rampant abuse occurs because religion is wrong about homosexuality. They need to wake up and open their eyes about it and start treating gay people with the true love and acceptance they deserve, instead of the fear and hatred they get.

Gay people are upset and for good reason. People attack, them demean them, their relationships and their families. If someone did that to you, you'd be pretty damn upset too and you'd want people to help you not act like you've bought it upon yourself.

Gay people being quite just results in more gay people being abused, just like it does for any other group. They need to be loud, they need it to stop it from happening to more people.
if that upset, then why try and be part of a religion which have people today against it? why not form their own cult??
If i was pretty upset by something, the last thing i would do would be to try and be part of their religion, I would form my own, call it something else...not christianity.
As for "religion" in general, I doubt a muslim would be accepted with open arms in many areas if they told them they were gay, so again, why antagonize those who follow that religion.
As i have mentioned, we have enough problems with religions today in many areas of the world, religion has caused many wars, so as a non religious person, i do not want to see more trouble related to it.
talking about people getting 'upset' I get very upset when I see more people being killed because of religion, I sure do not want more firewood thrown on the fire, hence I chose to follow NONE.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:06 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 06 February 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

if that upset, then why try and be part of a religion which have people today against it? why not form their own cult??
If i was pretty upset by something, the last thing i would do would be to try and be part of their religion, I would form my own, call it something else...not christianity.
As for "religion" in general, I doubt a muslim would be accepted with open arms in many areas if they told them they were gay, so again, why antagonize those who follow that religion.
As i have mentioned, we have enough problems with religions today in many areas of the world, religion has caused many wars, so as a non religious person, i do not want to see more trouble related to it.
talking about people getting 'upset' I get very upset when I see more people being killed because of religion, I sure do not want more firewood thrown on the fire, hence I chose to follow NONE.

Personally, I don't understand why any self respecting gay person would want to be part of those religions either.

The probbblem is that religious people need to accept that gay people exist. After all it's religious people that are harming gay people, not the other way around. Religions love to play the victim card but they honestly don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to persecuting others (not just gay people either).

I get upset by people killed because of religion, which is why I want it stopped.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 06 February 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:



I just don't get it with these Christians and Muslims.



You have to accept that this is how some people feel, like gay people want people to accept them, they have to accept that they have accept their feelings too, HENCE if they say their religion does not accept it, fine! form another cult and stop antagonising the situation.
NOT ALL GAY PEOPLE ARE RELIGIOUS BTW, but this type of behaviour will not help other gay people at all. How many will now have to try and explain they are not religious when someone attacks them over this?

I am sick and tired of religion creating hatred and wars, and this only adds to the already long list.

You want to follow a religion......form you own!!!  let the christians and muslims have theirs. It may be easier to be accepted if you are not demanding these religions accept you as one of them, cos many obviously will not.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:14 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 06 February 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

Personally, I don't understand why any self respecting gay person would want to be part of those religions either.

The probbblem is that religious people need to accept that gay people exist. After all it's religious people that are harming gay people, not the other way around. Religions love to play the victim card but they honestly don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to persecuting others (not just gay people either).

I get upset by people killed because of religion, which is why I want it stopped.
Line one....agree.

there is no problem with religious people accepting gay people exist, they know they do, but when told they now have to accept they will be part of their religion, well, i think thats rubbing their noses in it a bit.
As i say, i am not religious, but if i was and was anti gay (which i most certainly am not) i would be pretty peeved that they want me to accept them into my religion when it is clear i do not.
Again, sorry :innocent: but form another cult if religion means that much to them. It can include whoever they like, Jesus, Mohammed or whoever, but do not call it christianity or islam.

Edited by freetoroam, 06 February 2013 - 06:17 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:40 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 06 February 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Line one....agree.

there is no problem with religious people accepting gay people exist, they know they do, but when told they now have to accept they will be part of their religion, well, i think thats rubbing their noses in it a bit.
As i say, i am not religious, but if i was and was anti gay (which i most certainly am not) i would be pretty peeved that they want me to accept them into my religion when it is clear i do not.
Again, sorry :innocent: but form another cult if religion means that much to them. It can include whoever they like, Jesus, Mohammed or whoever, but do not call it christianity or islam.

It's not that simple really. Some people are born into religious families/environments and so form... an attachment that's hard to let go over.

Of course, the thing there is two fold. First, Christianity itself is a collection of sects and they all have different beiefs, despite haing the same bible. For example, the catholics are against divorce for any reason yet the church of england allow divorce for any reason. That's just one example, there are others. Saying gay people shouldn't be a part of christianity because it could 'upset' people is like the catholic church saying diivorcees can't be christian, even if they're not catholic.

Second, there are christian sects and churches that ARE accepting of gay people. Should they be forced not to be simply because the other groups of christians will get upset? If so, where does it end?

To christians that are upset about it. Gay people are already accepted in parts o christianity. Get over it. Since christianity is a collection of sects, with nothing in control of all of them, no one can really do anything to turn gay people away, they can always go somewhere else. And, of course, you don't even need to be part of any sect to be christian, you can be independant of all of that, in essence forming your own brandd of it.

Why not not call it christianity? No one owns the term christian and its an umbrella term anyway.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:49 PM

For example, the catholics are against divorce for any reason yet the church of england allow divorce for any reason.



Thats why Henry created the "church of England"....my exact point as to what the religious gay people should be doing.  call it something else but keep what you want in terms of beliefs.
Noone can say you can not believe in Jesus , just call it something else.  There are many (as you have pointed out) different sects within christianity, but they have their own names and churches.
here is one example of people who have done exactly that:
Mormons
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 06 February 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

I've never said christianity dropping it as sinful would make homophobia go away like that.

Have any of your constant arguments ever made people like PA think - Ok maybe this belief against homosexuals is wrong?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:31 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 06 February 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

Have any of your constant arguments ever made people like PA think - Ok maybe this belief against homosexuals is wrong?

Sadly no. But that doesn't automatically mean the beief is right. To me the belief that homosexuality is a sin will ALWAYS be wrong, regrdless of the variiety of excuses.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
Where are those droideka?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:36 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 06 February 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Sadly no. But that doesn't automatically mean the beief is right. To me the belief that homosexuality is a sin will ALWAYS be wrong, regrdless of the variiety of excuses.

If you have never managed to change his mind or anyone else's, then what's the point? Because it goes nowhere, only in circles     Would you change your mind if they wanted you to, even if they were throwing countless arguments?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:41 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 06 February 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

If you have never managed to change his mind or anyone else's, then what's the point? Because it goes nowhere, only in circles Would you change your mind if they wanted you to, even if they were throwing countless arguments?
what are you doing? you are supposed to be on your way to Iran!


Oh dear, i think i am getting my threads mixed up. :blush:

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 06 February 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

what are you doing? you are supposed to be on your way to Iran!

Get packed, you're coming with me lol

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 06 February 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

If you have never managed to change his mind or anyone else's, then what's the point? Because it goes nowhere, only in circles Would you change your mind if they wanted you to, even if they were throwing countless arguments?

So I should what? Give up? Imagine if everyone had that attitude 'ah we can't change their mind so we'll just give up'.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:07 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 06 February 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

So I should what? Give up?

Isn't that what you are expecting PA and others like him to do...give up on that belief that it is sinful?

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Imagine if everyone had that attitude 'ah we can't change their mind so we'll just give up'.   

Well, you don't like it when the same is done to you... From all you have said, it's OK for you to hammer on and on at someone to change their belief's to suit you and your way of thinking, but that's were the line is drawn

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