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#1    and then

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:19 PM

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Surprise, surprise, Iran isn't willing to accept any current offers.  Russia says progress has been made - but they would, wouldn't they?  So the question is how long before concrete steps are taken to impede this weapons program or WILL any steps be taken?  If not, what do you see as the fallout (sorry, NPI) of a nuclear Iran on the region and the world?  Is the Korean mess a picture of our future?

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:05 PM

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Also Iran causing a wide devide?! LOL

Yeah cause the US and Israel not even styaing for Irans speeches at the UN meeting isn't rude or anything...

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:23 PM

any second now ....

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:24 PM

I don't think Iran is going to stop enriching uranium, they just want some or all of the sanctions lifted.  What we can do about their nuclear aspirations isn't much outside of sanctions.  Don't think anyone is interested in another war except for Israel.

Iran does have a science and tech agreement with North Korea.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:35 PM

there is a lot of old cold war stockpiles unaccounted for by the 'Nuclear Powers' ... it is a common belief that most of it is stashed in the Kim's old back yard.

Little Kim can sell them and make big bucks without even a proper running enrichment facility, the banks are already rubbing greasy palms in glee

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:51 PM

View Postand then, on 06 April 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

http://www.guardian....maty-kazakhstan

Surprise, surprise, Iran isn't willing to accept any current offers.  Russia says progress has been made - but they would, wouldn't they?  So the question is how long before concrete steps are taken to impede this weapons program or WILL any steps be taken?  If not, what do you see as the fallout (sorry, NPI) of a nuclear Iran on the region and the world?  Is the Korean mess a picture of our future?


I personally think that All the countries stating Iran cannot have nuclear power, while those same countries have nuclear power, is hypocritical.......

IF Iran want's nuclear weapon's then it (in my opinion) would be just for defense and NOT to attack some other country, how many countries that have nuclear weapons have been attacked ? not many IF any
The countries I would worry about more is North Korea and Pakistan, they are the more volatile countries in my opinion
And silly as it sound's USA, as they are the ONLY country to ever use nuclear weapons so far

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 01:07 AM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 06 April 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

I personally think that All the countries stating Iran cannot have nuclear power, while those same countries have nuclear power, is hypocritical.......

IF Iran want's nuclear weapon's then it (in my opinion) would be just for defense and NOT to attack some other country, how many countries that have nuclear weapons have been attacked ? not many IF any
The countries I would worry about more is North Korea and Pakistan, they are the more volatile countries in my opinion
And silly as it sound's USA, as they are the ONLY country to ever use nuclear weapons so far



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The use of the atomic bombs saved more lives by far than it cost.  That was a war - a war started by the Japanese and they paid the price.  Iran wants to dominate the M.E. and control access to most of the oil in the world.  You okay with a religious nutjob telling you what your goods, services and food will cost?  The ability to control the price of that energy affects EVERYTHING.  But hey - as long as we keep everything fair, right?   Unbelievable.... :no:

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 01:14 AM

Somehow, I get the feeling that North Korea and Iran is planning some kind of simultaneously nuclear attack on the world,they have been in kahoots for a while with exchanging missles and nuke power, ect.Iran wanting to bring about this chaos that spoken about in their religion to have Islam dominate the world.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 01:38 AM

View Postand then, on 07 April 2013 - 01:07 AM, said:

a war started by the Japanese and they paid the price.

That's actually debateable.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 01:41 AM

View Postand then, on 07 April 2013 - 01:07 AM, said:

The use of the atomic bombs saved more lives by far than it cost.  That was a war - a war started by the Japanese and they paid the price.  Iran wants to dominate the M.E. and control access to most of the oil in the world.  You okay with a religious nutjob telling you what your goods, services and food will cost?  The ability to control the price of that energy affects EVERYTHING.  But hey - as long as we keep everything fair, right?   Unbelievable.... :no:

The use of those Atomic Bombs saved lives by killing INNOCENT civilian's, including women and children, and in my opinion was done so as a test, to test the capabilities of the Atomic bomb (there is only so much You can learn from dropping the A bomb in the middle of nowhere)

As for having a nutjob telling me what goods, services and food will cost, I am sure there is more than one nutjob in the UK government that does that already.....

The last time Iran invaded another country was 214 years ago, can the same be said for other power hungry country's, including UK and US ?

It seems like when it come's to Iran You have already made Your mind up on the subject, (possibly due to them being an enemy of Israel ?) It might pay You to take those rose coloured glasses off and look at the issue with an open mind...

Pakistan is a volatile country with a lot of extremist's, they have nuclear power/weapon's, why are You not concerned about them ? as much as You are concerned about Iran ?
North Korea is volatile and they are also testing nuclear weapon's, why are You not concerned about them ? as much as You are concerned about Iran ?

Iran trying to make nuclear weapon's, is at this moment in time pure speculation, and possibly propaganda (for an excuse to attack them ?)

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:01 AM

View PostJackofalltrades, on 07 April 2013 - 01:41 AM, said:

The last time Iran invaded another country was 214 years ago

That's the type of fact people don't want to hear, instead they would rather listen to the rhetoric that manipulates them into allowing invasion of other countries.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:03 AM

Jackoftrades qoute-
The use of those Atomic Bombs saved lives by killing INNOCENT civilian's, including women and children, and in my opinion was done so as a test, to test the capabilities of the Atomic bomb (there is only so much You can learn from dropping the A bomb in the middle of nowhere)

Your right,but the US didn`t know the devastating after affects those bombs would have on people, is why the US and Russia had a cold war, both knew there would be no winners in a nuclear war. So any of these small country with nukes should know better, but do they? It isnt defence when North Korea and Iran are sharing nuclear power.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:48 AM

View PostCoffey, on 07 April 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

That's actually debateable.
Which bit?
Because the Japanese did strike Pearl Harbour, declaring war scant moments before the first bombs dropped and all because they didn't want the Yanks getting involved in their "military adventurism".
America was well and truly in it's "if we ignore it, it's not happening" phase in 1941.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:25 AM

View PostCoffey, on 07 April 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

That's actually debateable.
Anything is debatable.  When a bias is  so intransigent that the focus of it can do NO right, ever, then any debate becomes moot however.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:32 AM

What business do we have with Iran besides sanctions. None. So why should they care what we think.

I like the Central Bank that isnt a Rothschilds bank. Same thing happened in Iraq and Libya. We all know what happened to them. Thats what we really care about. Not the nuke issue. Thats just the excuse to be asshats to them.





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