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Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?


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#181    Reann

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:09 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 03 March 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

I actually do believe demons exist, some stronger than others in the things they can do, but what if aliens are just that aliens.

Has anyone ever heard of this man Nick Redfern? I haven't , till just now. I know nothing about him or what he has researched , but , this interview does sound pretty scarey interesting.



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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:43 PM

"Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?"

No.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:46 PM

View PostThe Skater Boy, on 14 March 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

"Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?"

No.
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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:58 PM

O.K, so you both choose to either not think they exist at all , or , you both think they're just aliens , that's fine...I really don't ever want to find out , unless I have a legend of archangels by my side ♥


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:19 PM

View PostReann, on 14 March 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Has anyone ever heard of this man Nick Redfern? I haven't , till just now. I know nothing about him or what he has researched , but , this interview does sound pretty scarey interesting.

Iv heard of him

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:21 PM

View PostReann, on 14 March 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

O.K, so you both choose to either not think they exist at all , or , you both think they're just aliens , that's fine...I really don't ever want to find out , unless I have a legend of archangels by my side ♥
Not a bad plan.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:32 PM

The thing with demons, ghosts and almost all supernatural things is that there simply is no real proof. Only belief.

The skeptics (NOT debunkers) expect there to be some sort of reproducible evidence not anecdotal stories. Unfortunately the nature of the supernatural lends this 'aura' of impossibility. A believer in demons or aliens can simply say that they leave no physical evidence or can only be seen by those affected/afflicted. Without any way to prove anything has actually happen it is almost as if who cares whether they exist or not? People will claim to have been possessed or abducted but nothing can be done to record the events. It seems the demons and or aliens are infinitely creative and incapable of failure. Therefor what is the point of fighting any of it? I do not accept that either exist at all. I do not accept that anything is infallible except our ability to imagine and believe in the impossible and thereby create these entities in our  own minds. This is why there is no real proof, only really good stories (sometimes....mostly not).

Real life is comlex and mysterious enough without added bogey men. JMO.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:46 PM

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The thing with demons, ghosts and almost all supernatural things is that there simply is no real proof. Only belief.

The skeptics (NOT debunkers) expect there to be some sort of reproducible evidence not anecdotal stories. Unfortunately the nature of the supernatural lends this 'aura' of impossibility. A believer in demons or aliens can simply say that they leave no physical evidence or can only be seen by those affected/afflicted. Without any way to prove anything has actually happen it is almost as if who cares whether they exist or not? People will claim to have been possessed or abducted but nothing can be done to record the events. It seems the demons and or aliens are infinitely creative and incapable of failure. Therefor what is the point of fighting any of it? I do not accept that either exist at all. I do not accept that anything is infallible except our ability to imagine and believe in the impossible and thereby create these entities in our  own minds. This is why there is no real proof, only really good stories (sometimes....mostly not).

Real life is comlex and mysterious enough without added bogey men. JMO.
Yeah its going to be controversial because your dealing with belief systems, you dont think demons and other supernatural things exist  but other may.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:53 PM

View PostEsoteric Toad, on 14 March 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

The thing with demons, ghosts and almost all supernatural things is that there simply is no real proof.

There was no proof of everything once upon a time. There's plenty of proof out there but skeptics have made their mind up and are far too wrapped up in a reality they're too frightened to imagine may be very wrong.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:56 PM

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Yeah its going to be controversial because your dealing with belief systems, you dont think demons and other supernatural things exist  but other may.
Oh but others do.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:58 PM

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There was no proof of everything once upon a time. There's plenty of proof out there but skeptics have made their mind up and are far too wrapped up in a reality they're too frightened to imagine may be very wrong.
Naw; they'd love it if they were wrong, at least I would.  Don't make such facile assumptions about why people believe thing and especially why they don't believe things.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:08 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 14 March 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

Naw; they'd love it if they were wrong, at least I would.  Don't make such facile assumptions about why people believe thing and especially why they don't believe things.

Not really... considering it would throw physics and science in general down the toilet. No question there are cases of schizophrenia, night terrors etc but to say that it's in everybody's mind is just a cop out by science. The subject of ghosts/demons is a bit like 9/11 being an inside job... no matter how much evidence, no matter how many credible people come forward; they just get ridiculed and it's not taken not serious consideration.

Thank you for your advice but I will determine my own opinions and how they form, thank you.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:15 PM

Belief and faith are unquestionable. People believe in all sorts of strange and completely illogical things, everyone who has any thought at all has to have some sort of belief system that relies on the unknown. The difference is I may be thinking of what the future holds and plan rationally based on logical outcomes and those that believe in demons or the like are basing their lives around non-existent (in a physical sense). creatures. It becomes a crutch, a way shirking responsibility since any failing can be blamed on those damned demons/ET.

IF there were any real evidence (or even some that was a bit odd) then it should be explored. I cannot imagine that we live in a world that if there were something to these claims at all there would not be a scientific inquiry into it. People in general do not want to be responsible for their own actions so can you imagine a world where we could say "not my fault, it was veezibleckabub from dimension 24, here is his pic!" The reason there isn't is that IT HAS been determined that there is nothing we can find. Maybe we do not have the technology, maybe we will never.

As far as the multidimensional aspect, most of that (from what I understand) is scientifically used to try and understand the nature of the universe, not a certainty. It is sort of like trying to shoehorn a theory by creating an environment that the theory could exist. That is how science works sometimes; here's an idea. How would it work? Add some dimensions!? Ok that would work but HOW DO WE TEST IT? <- the thing that SCIENCE does before it officially calls it a "theory". Unfortunately everything demons, ghosts and alienz takes part of what science 'may' say is possible and then uses 'maybes' to explain their existence.

As of right now they are nothing but creation of the mind, which is a powerful thing in of itself, and nothing more. If additional data is provided then that may change. Given that in one way or another these stories have been around for thousands of years and nothing definite has every been provided other than stories I doubt that will every change. As always, JMO.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 14 March 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

Naw; they'd love it if they were wrong, at least I would.  Don't make such facile assumptions about why people believe thing and especially why they don't believe things.

Correct frank i have witnessed 2 maybe 3 what could be called paranormal events in my lifetime,but have no proof other than another witness seeing the exact things i saw at the time.When some discuss the ouija board as i have said i played the GAME several times when i was a teen,i know several people who have had a lot of experiences with them,but everytime i have ever been around one nothing at all ever happened.Different people,different places,same results.Some say they go to certain energies it is amazing though that every time i have ever been around one nothing happens at all demons must be terrified of me  :lol: I would love for someone to prove me wrong about them,but watching someone play then a board creeking in the house or a tree limb scratching a window is hardly something to get over excited about.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:24 PM

I have a rather different view of beliefs.  People don't just think something up and decide to believe it, even if it has great appeal to them.  It has to fall into line with what they already believe, and even then they are likely to think it a nice idea and leave it at that -- not make any sort of intellectual or emotional committment to it.

Our beliefs come from indoctrination, generally when we are children.  I guess some people flit from religion to religion, and there is clearly a near-schizoid personality type of the super-gullible, but these are exceptions.  Most of us pretty much fall in line with what we were taught when we were kids -- or rebel in some way, although such rebellions usually are overcome by the fear and guilt our instincts throw at us when we do such a rebellion.

Therefore scientific tests don't amount to much.  The creationist remains a creationist, the Muslim remains a Muslim and the Buddhist remains a Buddhist.  

It often amazes me that science has made the progress in the public mind that it has made in spite of these human instincts.  I think the reason is simply nothing more than that it delivers, and what it delivers is hard to ignore.





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