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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:42 PM

View PostMonkeyOrchid, on 20 March 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

Looking forward to part two. I once beieved in AA but then you realize everyone lies and when money is to be made people will add a little spice to sell more copies. I still have a copy of Chariots of the Gods but now smile when I come across it on my bookshelf.

:tu:   Absolutely right! Ive debunked many of the AA money spinners for what they are.... but you get to realise that while some rational people who may have believed the AA BS have now become skeptics themselves...the worrying thing is, there are others who just accept it as a fact, despite the total lack of evidence..

Hence why Im writing this thread.. to try and make some people think, actually think, about how daft it all is

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:21 PM

Good job seeder! I am sure most AA supporters do not even think about it from your standpoint. Too much Star Trek me thinks.

Beyond the physical limitations is the why? I am sure you'll hit the nail on the head with that one too.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:42 PM

Going to get filed into the AAA bin no doubt ! :tu:

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:56 AM

View PostEsoteric Toad, on 20 March 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

Good job seeder! I am sure most AA supporters do not even think about it from your standpoint. Too much Star Trek me thinks.

Beyond the physical limitations is the why? I am sure you'll hit the nail on the head with that one too.

Don't knock Star Trek mate. It's great entertainment, same as Star Wars, or Firefly for example.
seeder did a great job laying out this thread. I do agree totally.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:27 PM

The only issue I havewith this is that it underestimates ancient people.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:43 PM

View PostRogue Suga, on 21 March 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

The only issue I havewith this is that it underestimates ancient people.

Thats a good point, but I think you may have meant to post on the AA is true thread(?). I for one will never underestimate ancient man!  But I will get to that bit later in the discussion!  Cheers



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Posted 21 March 2013 - 01:02 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 21 March 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

Don't knock Star Trek mate. It's great entertainment, same as Star Wars, or Firefly for example.
seeder did a great job laying out this thread. I do agree totally.

Cheers Searcher! Well for new readers on the other AA thread- there's way too much info posted to easily find where I criticize that theory, so I thought why not a fresh thread! Plus Im sick to death of rock pics!

Im glad someone touched on the Star Trek bit, as I think that a lot of people actually think we can, (or aliens for that matter) just zoom on over to a planet and land and chat and laugh and play etc. Its only the later series where they all got older - that they were even shown occasionally wearing space suits! In the original series of course they just beamed down to whatever planet,  with no  need for spacesuits or helmets/breathing apparatus, perfect gravity, and everyone spoke English and the Captain got to pull whatever sassy alien females he found! Ha if only

So yes I think the entire subject needs an injection of realism, and hopefully I may be able to bring some to the table

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:05 PM

Given that there are people who firmly believe it is scientific fact that something just slightly more complex than a molecule somehow became alive, and through the offices of extreme lengths of time, fantastic luck in compiling just the right mutations in just the right sequences and combination, and pure random chance called "natural selection" is the common ancestor of all life on the planet and that this same process must have taken place in countless planets throughout the universe despite the ridiculously huge coincidences required, your argument that AA Theory is not valid due to the coincidences required seems weak.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:28 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 21 March 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Given that there are people who firmly believe it is scientific fact that something just slightly more complex than a molecule somehow became alive, and through the offices of extreme lengths of time, fantastic luck in compiling just the right mutations in just the right sequences and combination, and pure random chance called "natural selection" is the common ancestor of all life on the planet and that this same process must have taken place in countless planets throughout the universe despite the ridiculously huge coincidences required, your argument that AA Theory is not valid due to the coincidences required seems weak.
I must admit that the arguments that are often put forward as to how incredibly improbable it must be for intelligent life to develop, and how many factors had to be just right, and how so many things had to happen at just the right time in just the right way, which are often used as arguments for how rare Extreterrestrial life must be, do sound suspiciously like arguments for the existence of God, or of some kind of intelligence behind the process at least ... :innocent:

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:57 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 21 March 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

Don't knock Star Trek mate. It's great entertainment, same as Star Wars, or Firefly for example.
seeder did a great job laying out this thread. I do agree totally.
Not knocking. I am not a HUGE fan of Star Trek but I'm one of those people that saw Star Wars back in the day 48 times! (something like 36 years ago). :tsu:


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 21 March 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Given that there are people who firmly believe it is scientific fact that something just slightly more complex than a molecule somehow became alive, and through the offices of extreme lengths of time, fantastic luck in compiling just the right mutations in just the right sequences and combination, and pure random chance called "natural selection" is the common ancestor of all life on the planet and that this same process must have taken place in countless planets throughout the universe despite the ridiculously huge coincidences required, your argument that AA Theory is not valid due to the coincidences required seems weak.

OK we could be discussing different things here, but so as Im clear, the AA theory, as proposed in the AA series is about ancient visitation by the aliens who did little else but build or help build ancient structures, then leave without trace. Thats the purpose of this thread, to examine that scenario. I have no doubt as stated in post 1, that life is not unique to earth, and could even be common...

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 21 March 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Given that there are people who firmly believe it is scientific fact that something just slightly more complex than a molecule somehow became alive, and through the offices of extreme lengths of time, fantastic luck in compiling just the right mutations in just the right sequences and combination, and pure random chance called "natural selection" is the common ancestor of all life on the planet and that this same process must have taken place in countless planets throughout the universe despite the ridiculously huge coincidences required, your argument that AA Theory is not valid due to the coincidences required seems weak.

OK heres a great vid about how common we could be. (He's a great scientist by the way, makes science fun and understandable)

Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson: A fascinatingly disturbing thought.
Segment of Cosmic Quandaries Dr. DeGrasse Tyson talked about Alien Life in a simple but informative way. And makes many good points and leaves you with something to think about.

Great quote from the vid:

"Are we alone in the universe? We're made of the most common ingredients there are. And our chemistry is based on carbon, the most chemically active ingredient i the periodic table. If you were to find an ingredient on which to base life.. you would use carbon. Carbon is the 4th most abundant ingredient in the universe, not rare"  



Edited by seeder, 21 March 2013 - 04:19 PM.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

View Postseeder, on 21 March 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

OK heres a great vid about how common we could be. (He's a great scientist by the way, makes science fun and understandable)

Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson: A fascinatingly disturbing thought.
Segment of Cosmic Quandaries Dr. DeGrasse Tyson talked about Alien Life in a simple but informative way. And makes many good points and leaves you with something to think about.

Great quote from the vid:

"Are we alone in the universe? We're made of the most common ingredients there are. And our chemistry is based on carbon, the most chemically active ingredient i the periodic table. If you were to find an ingredient on which to base life.. you would use carbon. Carbon is the 4th most abundant ingredient in the universe, not rare"  



I agree to a point with this guy but he makes it sound as if all intelligent life would be that extra 1%. Imagine if we humans in the next hundred years managed some sort of FTL travel. I cannot see that we would be so much different than we are now. Of course this is all speculation and JMO.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:02 PM

View PostEsoteric Toad, on 21 March 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

I agree to a point with this guy but he makes it sound as if all intelligent life would be that extra 1%. Imagine if we humans in the next hundred years managed some sort of FTL travel. I cannot see that we would be so much different than we are now. Of course this is all speculation and JMO.

Personally, Im not sure we will ever travel faster than light. Can you imagine the g-forces? Heck even on a fun-fair there are some rides that thru their speed or spinning will stick you to the chair! Ever been in the "Rotor"? The one where you spin round, the floor goes down and youre left sticking to the wall? :w00t:   Imagine being in that - accelerated by just a couple hundred mph? Then to the speed of light!

But as the theory goes...'As an object approaches the speed of light, its mass rises precipitously. If an object tries to travel 186,000 miles per second, its mass becomes infinite, and so does the energy required to move it. For this reason, no normal object can travel as fast or faster than the speed of light'.

and heres another snippet

"We experience higher or lower g forces when we are rapidly changing speeds or directions. Normal humans can withstand no more than 9 g's, and even that for only a few seconds. When undergoing an acceleration of 9 g's, your body feels nine times heavier than usual, blood rushes to the feet, and the heart can't pump hard enough to bring this heavier blood to the brain. Your vision narrows to a tunnel, then goes black. If the acceleration doesn't decrease, you will pass out and finally die. The Air Force's F-16 can produce more g's than the human body can survive. We're forced to limit the acceleration of planes and spacecraft to a level humans can survive.

If we need to accelerate for extended periods, the level we can withstand is even lower. We can withstand 5 g's for only two minutes, 3 g's for only an hour. For the sake of argument, though, let's try to tough it out at 3 g's for a little longer. For Han Solo to take off from and accelerate at 3 g's to half the speed of light would take him two and a half months—hardly the makings of an exciting movie. Even at 9 g's, it would take him nineteen days to reach half the speed of light, though he'd be dead long before the ship reached that speed.

http://www.scientifi...nce-light-speed

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

View PostMonkeyOrchid, on 20 March 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

Looking forward to part two. I once beieved in AA but then you realize everyone lies and when money is to be made people will add a little spice to sell more copies. I still have a copy of Chariots of the Gods but now smile when I come across it on my bookshelf.

Why don't you post under your real name seeder?  Why have two ID's?  Isn't that deceptive?

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