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#1    Lt_Ripley

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 06:01 PM

Phil Gramm May Be Gone, But His Porn Lives On

Posted July 15, 2008 | 05:42 AM (EST)


Phil Gramm's recent disparaging of "a nation of whiners" complaining about a "mental recession" did more than offend the sensibilities of economically struggling Americans. His gaffe also served as a reminder that McCain had appointed one of the most reactionary, venal, and destructive political figures in recent times as his top econ man. By Sunday, the damage to the McCain campaign had grown so severe it announced that Gramm's role had been significantly reduced.


Phil Gramm attempted to invest $15,000 in "Truck Stop Women." His money ultimately helped produce a film portraying Richard Nixon wandering nude around the White House.

Gramm was an accident waiting to happen. Indeed, his gaffe represents little more than a scrap in the massive heap of wreckage he has left in his wake. Gramm's own presidential campaign in 1996 was among his most high-profile casualties. In order to win a whopping total of 8 delegates, the charisma-challenged Gramm had to spend $20 million, or about $2.5 million per delegate. This experience curiously translated into a job as one of McCain's key political advisors.

But first, Gramm returned to the Senate, where he was lobbied intensely by one of his major campaign contributors, Enron. Enron enjoyed easy access to Gramm's office; the senator's wife served on Enron's board of directors and Ken Lay was his 1992 campaign co-chair. Gramm rewarded his financial angels in 2000, slipping the "Commodity Futures Modernization Act" into a omnibus spending bill just as Congress headed off for summer vacation. His amendment instantly enabled the creation of a shadow banking system -- "weapons of financial destruction" in the words of Warren Buffet -- that directly contributed to the current mortgage foreclosure crisis. Millions of Americans have suffered as a result of Gramm's machinations.

While the destruction Gramm has caused is felt across the country, little is known about the seedy business schemes that preceded his political career. Before Gramm joined the Christian Coalition's Ralph Reed to call for the defunding of the NEA, before he attacked an opponent for taking money from a gay rights group, and before he was interviewed by the white supremacist Southern Partisan magazine, Gramm was an avidly active investor in soft-*spam filter*ography movies.

Gramm's journey into porn began in 1973, when his brother-in-law, George Caton, rushed to tell him about an exciting low-budget soft-core production called "Truck Stop Women." A promo poster for the film boasted of its buxom stars: "No Rig Was Too Big For Them To Handle." Caton, who was in charge of fundraising for the production, asked Gramm to become an investor. To entice his brother-in-law, Caton showed him scenes of Playboy Playmate of the year Claudia Jennings displaying her bare essentials (she is naked throughout much of the film).

These scenes "really got Phil titillated," Caton told journalist John Judis in 1995. Gramm enthusiastically cut Caton a check for $15,000. Because the film was oversold, however, Caton returned his brother-in-law's money, offering him an investment opportunity in an upcoming feature.

The following year, Gramm sent Caton a check for $15,000, this time to finance the production of "Beauty Queens," a soft-core flick about pageant judges having sex with contestants. But at the last moment, the director of "Beauty Queens," Mark Lester, decided to shelve his production to make the sequel to his "Tricia's Wedding," a comedy starring the drag queen troupe, The Cockettes.

Gramm contributed at least $7500 towards the sequel, a satire of the Nixon White House called "White House Madness" that featured the crazed president wandering around the White House in the nude. Gramm never saw that money again. Shot in ten days on a soundstage crudely modeled after the Oval Office, "White House Madness" tanked at the box office.

Like the rest of Gramm's endeavors, his soft-*spam filter* career was a complete disaster.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 03:49 AM

and Obama smoked pot and snorted coke

Are you suggesting that this means Obama supports drug abuse these days?


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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:24 AM

He has a point, about the whining anyway.  My country is full of whiners right now; probably because we're all used to having it pretty good.

Gosh he really likes porn.

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Gramm contributed at least $7500 towards the sequel, a satire of the Nixon White House called "White House Madness" that featured the crazed president wandering around the White House in the nude.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 10:23 AM

bathory on Jul 16 2008, 11:49 PM, said:

and Obama smoked pot and snorted coke

Are you suggesting that this means Obama supports drug abuse these days?


but cons are the ones screaming about family values ...................


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Posted 17 July 2008 - 10:46 AM

Lt_Ripley on Jul 17 2008, 11:23 AM, said:

but cons are the ones screaming about family values ...................


yes because every Con thinks exactly the same thing?


You know, I used to binge drink as a teen (its an aussie thing), now that i'm a little older, I realise how stupid it was, in fact, I wouldn't recommend people from engaging in that same behaviour. This does not make me a hypocrite.


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Posted 19 July 2008 - 02:59 AM

bathory on Jul 17 2008, 06:46 AM, said:

yes because every Con thinks exactly the same thing?


You know, I used to binge drink as a teen (its an aussie thing), now that i'm a little older, I realise how stupid it was, in fact, I wouldn't recommend people from engaging in that same behaviour. This does not make me a hypocrite.


true you grew up... would you run for office with a binge drinker advising you ?  cons here push the christian  'family values ' ticket -shouting  dems being not for family values. and here we have on McCains crew an adult who financed porn. as well as all the Enron crap !   He wasn't exactly young and stupid. Also Gramm has been a close friend of McCains !! . Now either McCain knew nothing about this good friend of his ( doubtful) or McCain ignored it !

Hey I'm all for adults watching porn if they choose too. I just don't propose to be something I'm not.



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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:40 AM

Lt_Ripley on Jul 19 2008, 02:59 AM, said:

true you grew up... would you run for office with a binge drinker advising you ?  cons here push the christian  'family values ' ticket -shouting  dems being not for family values. and here we have on McCains crew an adult who financed porn. as well as all the Enron crap !   He wasn't exactly young and stupid. Also Gramm has been a close friend of McCains !! . Now either McCain knew nothing about this good friend of his ( doubtful) or McCain ignored it !

Hey I'm all for adults watching porn if they choose too. I just don't propose to be something I'm not.


he financed a porn film like 30 years ago

its such a non-issue

seriously, who cares if other cons push christian family values? there are other cons who don't


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Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:40 PM

bathory on Jul 19 2008, 02:40 AM, said:

he financed a porn film like 30 years ago

its such a non-issue

seriously, who cares if other cons push christian family values? there are other cons who don't


yes 30 years ago which made him about 36 years old. not a kid. . a total of 3 movies. "No Rig Was Too Big For Them To Handle " 15,000. the next year  "Beauty Queens," another 15,000. and "White House Madness" at least 7500.   again not to forget the whole Enron fiasco which wasn't that long ago.  

if this were a staffer for Obama cons would be all over it.

and it is an issue. from a party that slurs at any opportunity that it's the party of 'Family Values ' while liberal/democrats aren't.  It became like an anthem. along with Bushs' ignorant stance of if your not with us your unAmerican. Most cons have bought into the 'family values ' BS. without those voters republican candidates would sink like a stone.

Hey at least this is the truth ! not the slop cons have said like ' Obama is a radical muslim' or ' attended a muslim school. snopes




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Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:59 PM

What a broad brush with which you use to paint!

I'm sooo pleased you never stoop to such tactics, yourself.

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 05:29 AM

Lt_Ripley on Jul 19 2008, 08:40 PM, said:

yes 30 years ago which made him about 36 years old. not a kid. . a total of 3 movies. "No Rig Was Too Big For Them To Handle " 15,000. the next year  "Beauty Queens," another 15,000. and "White House Madness" at least 7500.   again not to forget the whole Enron fiasco which wasn't that long ago.  

if this were a staffer for Obama cons would be all over it.

and it is an issue. from a party that slurs at any opportunity that it's the party of 'Family Values ' while liberal/democrats aren't.  It became like an anthem. along with Bushs' ignorant stance of if your not with us your unAmerican. Most cons have bought into the 'family values ' BS. without those voters republican candidates would sink like a stone.

Hey at least this is the truth ! not the slop cons have said like ' Obama is a radical muslim' or ' attended a muslim school. snopes



so its like the slop where the liberals were saying McCain was a traitor?

you know, like you were posting?


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Posted 21 July 2008 - 06:30 PM

McCain is a traitor. According to those that were captured and held when he was. because he spilled his guts he had gotten medical treatment that was not available to other prisoners.

McCain has said repeatedly that he was afforded no special treatment while in the "Hanoi Hilton". Yet when he was first interviewed by the North Vietnamese he is  shown at a hospital reserved for Vietnamese military  and he was seen by  Soviet Surgeons. He was  drinking coffee and  smoking cigarettes while being interviewed. This was a  far cry  from the way the  rest of the POWs were treated.

His wife at the time, was a member of the National League of Families and she fought to make sure that John McCain came home. He rewarded this loyalty by divorcing her after his return.

He was shot down October 26, 1967, and by November 9, 1967 he was giving interviews to foreign correspondents, providing information on his prior command, casualties and tactics, in direct violation of the Code of Conduct. (The U.S. military Code of Conduct is the definitive code specifying the responsibilities of American military personnel while in combat or captivity. Article V of the Code is very specific in ordering U.S. military personnel to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies, or harmful to their cause. Any willful violation of the Code is considered collaborating with the enemy.)

The Communist Vietnamese erected a bust of John McCain beside the lake where he was shot down. His defenders say that this is a tribute to the PAVN gunners that shot him down.

In the interview that he gave on November 9, 1967 to VNA International, he claims when he bailed out and landed in the lake, that locals pulled him out and took him to the hospital. Yet in the U.S. News and World Report - May 14, 1973. McCain is quoted as saying "I think it was on the fourth day (after being shot down) that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size of a football . . . when I saw it, I said to the guard, Ok, get the officer'...an officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as 'The Bug'. He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, Ok, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

While testifying before the Senate Select Committee, the very man McCain claims was responsible for his own torture, his interrogator, "The Bug" was appearing. When the moment of confrontation came, McCain rose from his seat, walked from the podium to the floor and stood face to face with the man who was responsible for torturing him and countless other Prisoners of War...McCain then grabbed the man and embraced him!

He has been a consistent advocate of lenient treatment of Vietnam.

While a member of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs (1991-1993) he referred to POW/MIA Family Members and POW/MIA Activists as whiners, vultures and the lunatic fringe.

Although the Senate Select Committee concluded that we left men behind, McCain crossed party lines to help lift the embargo and normalize relations with Vietnam. "It's very important for us to recognize that the war is over, ... In my view, an improvement in relations between our two countries does a whole of lot things from a practical standpoint, but it also, from a spiritual standpoint indicates that we are ready to close that chapter," McCain said. (Many POWs and families of MIAs would strongly disagree that is time to close this chapter! Improving relations with Vietnam stood to benefit  the McCain’s family as they hold a large interest in the Budweiser Corporation. Surprise, surprise Bud was among the first  large U.S. Corporations to enter Vietnam after relations were normalized.)

He ignored a letter from former POW, Capt. Eugene "Red" McDaniel, co-signed by 50 former POWs which asked that the embargo not be lifted and not to normalize relations and still McCain would not be swayed.

When the Missing Service Personnel Act of 1996 came on the Senate Floor for debate, Senator McCain called this bill "un-necessary" and "burdensome" even though the MSPA was sponsored by the then majority leader and the man who had considered asking John McCain to run with him, Sen. Bob Dole.

McCain managed to get the MSPA amended by removing criminal liability and several articles that were important to POW/MIA Family members.

McCain voted against campaign-finance reform in 1987/1988.. and didn't support the concept until 1990, just after the Keating story broke.

Until McCain began thinking about running for national office he was consistently anti-gay (he even spoke at a fundraiser for Oregon's anti-gay rights initiative) Now he says they are "not inclusive enough".
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McCain received more than $112,000 in campaign contributions from one Charles Keating (including $54,000 for his Senate campaign). Between 1984 and 1986 McCain and family had vacationed at Keating's home in the Bahamas. (Keating was a corrupt owner of a savings-and-loan empire that ended up costing taxpayers $3 billion.) For these contributions Keating hoped (expected) McCain and four other senators - John Glenn, Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, Donald Riegle, would protect him from federal banking regulators. After a 14 month investigation by the Ethics Committee all McCain received was a slap on the wrist for using "poor judgment"!

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 03:20 AM

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McCain is a traitor. According to those that were captured and held when he was.


I've seen this claim bandied around

any actual names?

I can name POWs who were there that corroborate McCain's experience...


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Posted 23 July 2008 - 09:32 PM

bathory on Jul 21 2008, 11:20 PM, said:

I've seen this claim bandied around

any actual names?

I can name POWs who were there that corroborate McCain's experience...


here ya go ----

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain
By Phillip Butler, PhD
Cdr, USN (ret.)

Doctor Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals.

After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego and became a Navy Organizational Effectiveness consultant. He completed his Navy career in 1981 as a professor of management at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He is now a peace and justice activist with Veterans for Peace.


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Posted 24 July 2008 - 06:39 AM

do you even read your own links Ripley? This is from your very link

"Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man"

At no point does the author corroborate claims that McCain was a traitor, or was given preferential treatment, in fact he suggests that McCain was treated in much the similar manner as other POWs.



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Posted 24 July 2008 - 07:57 AM

bathory on Jul 24 2008, 01:39 AM, said:

do you even read your own links Ripley? This is from your very link

"Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man"

At no point does the author corroborate claims that McCain was a traitor, or was given preferential treatment, in fact he suggests that McCain was treated in much the similar manner as other POWs.

Heh!

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