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[seeder]

kampz, on 28 December 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

Dear Sir, you assume and I assume you assumed. Assumed.

You assume pollution exists forever even if Humans don't attempt to clean it up or guys like Grey Aliens. I would have to assume Grey Aliens exist.

If Humans can't imagine anything or can't build then what's the point? The guys better "teach" us if we can't build and when I say guys it's up to your interpretation unless some human knows. I can't be sure if that human who knows was born on the planet Earth. Hominids can't build if I assume they ever existed. Bones are bones. Are there reports from way back about hominids living aside us humans? I forgot. Sure they can instantly appear again for one minute in my opinion. I do assume they walked the Earth like we do.

well lets put it this way then shall we...we are the aliens and we visit another planet...being smarter than the locals we have a look about, get to understand a few things etc... we see whats needed, and what isnt known... what lifes like etc. Star Trek was fiction we know, but the had a rule not to interfere, unless no other choice

And the sanitation is poor, which can spread disease...the water needs boiling ideally, the diet is not balanced,  the lifespan is half what it couild be....people think the earth is FLAT...people die from infections that can be easily avoided, if they ate more fruit theyfd have the necessary vitamin c etc....we see there are GODS with animal heads etc...we know these are not gods so do we say so?  Well I could go on but hopefully you can think about what WE will do if ever we are the alien visitors..

when white man went to africa he took the notion of organised religion, he taught a new language and writing.. he dug wells so cleaner water could be found...he installed an education system...he dressed the natives.. HE TOOK CLOCKS, MARVELOUS BIT OF KIT THE NATIVES NEVER HAD..etc etc....heck we even sent a probe into space with the shape of a man, our star system plotted etc...maths equations, ...YES us MERE humans thought of that, so life - if they find the probe, can buzz us...but these ancient aliens  bought nothing and left nothing...yet they were friendly and helped stack rocks..only?  Why no calling cards?   They bring nothing, but knowledge how to stack rocks.... which is pretty much all ancient man ever did know, when buidling his own camps/shelters

So you can fantasise about aliens stacking rocks and leaving earth, but that doesnt make it so. As said before you have to weigh all the evidence. Theres NONE for aliens.... but plenty...plenty for ancient mans skills. When no evidence is found, you can simply weigh the probability... but pls dont weigh up if alien vids seem right  becuase you may have little real understanding of things..(how can they  -seem right  - logically?)  The vids are based on supposition, not facts

Edited by seeder, 28 December 2012 - 12:29 PM.

[zoser]

seeder, on 28 December 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

But Chris Dunn...doesnt believe in aliens..

Now, take 2 rocks with 'more or less'  flat surfaces and leave them stacked, out in the open for a few throuand years. Dust and sand particles and thousands of years  can cause wear, erosion,  and they (dust and sand) over thousands of years can impact and hide the original - maybe non perfect fitting stones, so that nowadays it looks like they were  - oh...so precisely fitted.

Because its as plain as the nose on your face... these structures 'have' been open to the effects of weather/erosion, for THOUSANDS of years!

Any smooth pebble on any beach.... wasnt always smooth, only time did that, and erosion, wave action...but one day those stones on the beach...were not smooth at all... but now we pick up such stones, and dont even consider they were once part of bigger, sharper rocks,,, do we? But they were once upon a time

As odd as it may seem, its totally plausible, and even one explanation like this  - offers an alternative to them 'fitting perfect' from the start... and there are other plausible explanations too.

Just dont ask me, work it out yourselves

Chris Dunn may not I don't know but it doesn't detract from that the excellent work he has done in exposing the use of ancient high technology.  To be honest Foerster himself implies the AA hypothesis very cautiously.   The idea that these people expound the idea of aliens at every opportunity isn't true.  I firmly believe that it's the truth their after more than trying to justify some pre-stated  belief.

The work that Dunn has done though does little to support mainstream thinking either; it only supports alternative theories.

Your idea about dust and sand filling in the gaps isn't very sound.  For a start some of Foerster's clips show not blocks fitting together but precision cuts where stone has been removed in caves and mountain sides.  The original work has been well protected.  Also sand and erosion did not fill in the gaps with the Inca work as it is very readily detectable.

The precision walls at Cuzco and Coricancha are what they are.  Don't forget that much of the Coricancha stonework is 'indoors' now and has been protected.



Foerster's clip on this shows incredible accuracy of building work and the Peruvian expert Alfredo Gamarra felt that this wall was the most accurately built in the entire world!

To save time go to 4:00 to see what I mean.



PS  Note the vitrification in the above photo!

Edited by zoser, 28 December 2012 - 12:14 PM.

[seeder]

zoser, on 28 December 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

the Peruvian expert Alfredo Gamarra felt that this wall was the most accurately built in the entire world!

Ah he felt that did he. You see this is the thing, as you have a slant towards 'feeling' your vids are about right... its that old case of wishfull thinking...or not even thinking at all.  You once felt holes driiled in walls was impossible till evidence was given, you also felt and claimed that, was it diorite(?) was almost impossible to work, yet again I gave the example of the vase...so he and you can 'feel' whatever..

feelings tho - have no factual basis, do they ? I feel very very sure no aliens came along and taught wall making skills or lent their tec to humans so they could make a few things...neater. We all feel one way or another. But thats not evidence and its not the facts either, so we have to dismiss such statements

be sure to read my post above this one..think about that angle..

Edited by seeder, 28 December 2012 - 12:27 PM.

[zoser]

seeder, on 28 December 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Ah he felt that did he. You see this is the thing, as you have a slant towards 'feeling' your vids are about right... its that old case of wishfull thinking...or not even thinking at all.  You once felt holes driiled in walls was impossible till evidence was given, you also felt and claimed that, was it diorite(?) was almost impossible to work, yet again I gave the example of the vase...so he and you can 'feel' whatever..

feelings tho - have no factual basis, do they ? I feel very very sure no aliens came along and taught wall making skills or lent their tec to humans so they could make a few things...neater. We all feel one way or another. But thats not evidence and its not the facts either, so we have to dismiss such statements

be sure to read my post above this one..think about that angle..

I give more credit to people who have spent the longest time and commitment seriously studying their field.  It's as simple as that really.  Gamarra spent decades studying the artefacts. Foerster himself has been living in Peru for some time and has studied the artefacts widely.   He now works at a museum in Paracas.

It means more to me than say someone who has a certificate from the institute and has sold their soul to some official point of view.

Edited by zoser, 28 December 2012 - 12:40 PM.

[Myles]

zoser, on 28 December 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Chris Dunn may not I don't know but it doesn't detract from that the excellent work he has done in exposing the use of ancient high technology.  To be honest Foerster himself implies the AA hypothesis very cautiously.   The idea that these people expound the idea of aliens at every opportunity isn't true.  I firmly believe that it's the truth their after more than trying to justify some pre-stated  belief.

The work that Dunn has done though does little to support mainstream thinking either; it only supports alternative theories.

Your idea about dust and sand filling in the gaps isn't very sound.  For a start some of Foerster's clips show not blocks fitting together but precision cuts where stone has been removed in caves and mountain sides.  The original work has been well protected.  Also sand and erosion did not fill in the gaps with the Inca work as it is very readily detectable.

The precision walls at Cuzco and Coricancha are what they are.  Don't forget that much of the Coricancha stonework is 'indoors' now and has been protected.



Foerster's clip on this shows incredible accuracy of building work and the Peruvian expert Alfredo Gamarra felt that this wall was the most accurately built in the entire world!

To save time go to 4:00 to see what I mean.



PS  Note the vitrification in the above photo!

I've yet to see precision anywhere in your photos or videos.   Even the walls at Cuzco and Coricancha are not exact.   You would think that aliens with all their technology would be able to make blocks as good as we can make them today.

[Myles]

zoser, on 28 December 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

I give more credit to people who have spent the longest time and commitment seriously studying their field.  It's as simple as that really.  Gamarra spent decades studying the artefacts. Foerster himself has been living in Peru for some time and has studied the artefacts widely.   He now works at a museum in Paracas.

It means more to me than say someone who has a certificate from the institute and has sold their soul to some official point of view.

You mean he is now a tour guide with a mandate to increase tourism or he loses his job.

It's appalling that you think the 99.9% of all researchers are not after the truth.   Is the "certificate" you are referring to the same as their degree they earned by doing real research.

[seeder]

zoser, on 28 December 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

I give more credit to people who have spent the longest time and commitment seriously studying their field.  It's as simple as that really.  

Well thats not really the case is it zoser? I gave you the name of a leading anthropologist who for 20 years has lived among many of the worlds cultures who bind their heads, he also studied the cone head skulls many years before his...dubious counterparts...like the very dubious chap you raved about who made the 'alien skulls vids... I even researched 'your man' in the video, with only SIX YEARS under his belt, and no related qualifications, and a job title to INCREASE REVENUE AND VISITORS

But you ignored the real expert with longest expereince and dozens of professional accolades... for your non qualified guy...who incidentally made the vids and wants to increase revenue!.

who also..... incidentally if you remember my post...said he believed the dna will be human, in the notes under the vid, which I expect you never read before posting them, as thats how I found the info out. AS said...I READ!

So no more grand statements about believing in the main experts pls, you demonstrated in the alien skulls pages you ignore what doesnt suit you

[docyabut2]

When asked of a older peruvian of what that sign of the circles in the stone represented ; he said they are migation patterns. These signs are found all over the world.  Perhaps this one is a a fish net  marking a body of water.

[seeder]

seeder, on 28 December 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

well lets put it this way then shall we...we are the aliens and we visit another planet...being smarter than the locals we have a look about, get to understand a few things etc... we see whats needed, and what isnt known... what lifes like etc. Star Trek was fiction we know, but the had a rule not to interfere, unless no other choice

And the sanitation is poor, which can spread disease...the water needs boiling ideally, the diet is not balanced,  the lifespan is half what it couild be....people think the earth is FLAT...people die from infections that can be easily avoided, if they ate more fruit theyfd have the necessary vitamin c etc....we see there are GODS with animal heads etc...we know these are not gods so do we say so?  Well I could go on but hopefully you can think about what WE will do if ever we are the alien visitors..

sod saving lives, sod passing down any wisdom...sod advising on increased lifespan..sod introducing the notion the world is in fact round... sod correcting their bad astronomy, sod trying to impart wisdom that the planet is a living thing that can be hurt...and sod leaving any record we ever came, and any direction to find us in future when 'they' are ready...sod all the good, positive holistic things...

erm...  yes - sod all the things we could share... lets just help build walls...
what a load of bol ox

when white man went to africa he took the notion of organised religion, he taught a new language and writing.. he dug wells so cleaner water could be found...he installed an education system...he dressed the natives.. HE TOOK CLOCKS, MARVELOUS BIT OF KIT THE NATIVES NEVER HAD..etc etc....heck we even sent a probe into space with the shape of a man, our star system plotted etc...maths equations, ...YES us MERE humans thought of that, so life - if they find the probe, can buzz us...but these ancient aliens  bought nothing and left nothing...yet they were friendly and helped stack rocks..only?  Why no calling cards?   They bring nothing, but knowledge how to stack rocks.... which is pretty much all ancient man ever did know, when buidling his own camps/shelters

So you can fantasise about aliens stacking rocks and leaving earth, but that doesnt make it so. As said before you have to weigh all the evidence. Theres NONE for aliens.... but plenty...plenty for ancient mans skills. When no evidence is found, you can simply weigh the probability... but pls dont weigh up if alien vids seem right  becuase you may have little real understanding of things..(how can they  -seem right  - logically?)  The vids are based on supposition, not facts

I just added something to this post and its made it appear as a new post, no bumping I assure you. Intentionally anyway

Edited by seeder, 28 December 2012 - 01:44 PM.

[zoser]

Myles, on 28 December 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

I've yet to see precision anywhere in your photos or videos.   Even the walls at Cuzco and Coricancha are not exact.   You would think that aliens with all their technology would be able to make blocks as good as we can make them today.

[zoser]

seeder, on 28 December 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Well thats not really the case is it zoser? I gave you the name of a leading anthropologist who for 20 years has lived among many of the worlds cultures who bind their heads, he also studied the cone head skulls many years before his...dubious counterparts...like the very dubious chap you raved about who made the 'alien skulls vids... I even researched 'your man' in the video, with only SIX YEARS under his belt, and no related qualifications, and a job title to INCREASE REVENUE AND VISITORS

But you ignored the real expert with longest expereince and dozens of professional accolades... for your non qualified guy...who incidentally made the vids and wants to increase revenue!.

who also..... incidentally if you remember my post...said he believed the dna will be human, in the notes under the vid, which I expect you never read before posting them, as thats how I found the info out. AS said...I READ!

So no more grand statements about believing in the main experts pls, you demonstrated in the alien skulls pages you ignore what doesnt suit you

Show me any real carbon dating and DNA work done on elongated skulls across the world.  Nuff said.

These people have sold their soul to the academic profession and have lost all sense of free and independent thinking.  Can a researcher be ostracised for exercising independent thinking?  You bet.

Edited by zoser, 28 December 2012 - 01:54 PM.

[Myles]

zoser, on 28 December 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

So now a photoshopped pic is evidence for you?
You are lost in your own little world of fantasy.   You continue to ignore facts.   Yes, facts.   Such as blocks that are not precise.

[zoser]

Myles, on 28 December 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

So now a photoshopped pic is evidence for you?
You are lost in your own little world of fantasy.   You continue to ignore facts.   Yes, facts.   Such as blocks that are not precise.

Sure there not.

Please state your engineering credentials.

As I've said all along, the trouble with archaeology is that it has lacked specialism.  It's obvious that most of the early investigators saw very little value in what they were looking at when they studied precision architecture because it was outside of their frame of reference.

So instead they concentrated on what they knew best:

Ritual, sacrifice, food, weaving, pottery, war, slavery, etc.

Of little value to the serious investigator.

That is in a nutshell says pretty much everything that has gone wrong with archaeology in the ages.

Edited by zoser, 28 December 2012 - 02:01 PM.

[seeder]

zoser, on 28 December 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Show me any real carbon dating and DNA work done on elongated skulls across the world.  Nuff said.

No YOU research it, if you can, why should I? This thread is being kept alive so you can force feed your weak evidence and vids

If anyone REALLY thought these may be alien skulls, the money for the testing would have been state sponsored no doubt, or privately sponsored from interested millinaire who like you...believe the subject. And if thats never happend before, its because youtube wasnt around to brainwash the gullible

and funny enough..the cone head skulls fit the common view of what aliens look like, which again is ludicrous as no-one has ever seen one. The more smarter man gets, his head doesnt get bigger does it?  Why should an advanced race have such shaped skulls? Why should they have bone?

Why should they even look remarkably like humans? Alien life I really doubt, will look much like us, at all. Or even if a bit similar.... why should their bone be based on calcium? Testing for calcium is a cheaper test isnt it?

More so when very eminent anthropologists get involved, they see its a no brainer. No pun intended, ha!

If an anthropologist of whatever expert finds an unusual, ancient rabbit skeleton..do you hear we need this tested in case its an alien rabbit? NO... its called either variety/diversion of species, or as with skulls, genetic deformation or manual adjustment, ie binding. We hear very often yet another 'new species' is found,  but we dont get our knickers in a twist wanting dna tests done!!

Edited by seeder, 28 December 2012 - 02:04 PM.

[seeder]

And yet again I remind you of a similar buzz with the star child skull...that guy managed to go 'years' of hype and donations, books and DVDs, (for sale of course) and semi fame, and that skull was very weird looking indeed

he kept it up for years!!! DNA test dont take years.. building the profit does

then the test results. HUMAN!

its a similar story here, odd looking skulls, guy with a website, DVD's, books for sale, trying to build the museums busines up (profits)

and the ones who fall for it everytime....  (plus 'your guy ' actualy doesnt think they are alien, he said that himself!)

so when the let down comes from the dna results, he will say..."yeh funny enough I did say I thought they were human to start with"...in small print..in the notes!!  that people like zoser never read to start with

hook, line and sinker..