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Evolution: A Religion

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#61    Hammerclaw

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:17 PM

View Postdanielost, on 18 July 2014 - 02:05 AM, said:

He also said science cannot make absolute statements, you know like the one you posted.
Well, then we're even.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:20 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 18 July 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

I am not your darling, nor will I hush.
A fine riposte! Considered me contrite and appropriately chastised.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 08:56 PM

View Postdanielost, on 18 July 2014 - 02:45 AM, said:

Then stop saying there is no god.

Why?!

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Religion tells the story of the beginning of the universe.

No, it doesn't. It tells you how to behave - or tries to.

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Science keeps trying to rewrite that story.

Absolutely not. Science has no interest in rewriting religion, as religion from a scientific point of view has no basis in reality whatsoever. So science couldn't care less. As mentioned by others, though, is that scienco continuously rewrites it's own theories as new evidence and observations are coming forth.

Don't know much about science, eh?

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But their story requires far too many accidents to hold water.

As psyche asked, examples? But I am confident that you can't give any.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:23 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 20 July 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

Science is supported by fact; Religion by Faith, two mutually incompatable concepts. It's foolish to try mix or debate the two. Yet people just love to be foolish.

Cannot God have created all our abilities including the ability for man to science?  Does science motivate towards proving a God or unproving a God anyway?  If science really seeks truth then it remains possible that a creator may one day be unravelled, the same as science is trying to unravel whether or not alien planets host life or not.  If we dont seek how shall we find?   For all we know science may be the answer to our prayers.  Call me a fool but faith in science in no way contradicts faith in a God, especially as scientific knowledge might be synonymous of God himself.




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Posted 27 July 2014 - 11:39 PM

View Posttaniwha, on 27 July 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Cannot God have created all our abilities including the ability for man to science?  Does science motivate towards proving a God or unproving a God anyway?  If science really seeks truth then it remains possible that a creator may one day be unravelled, the same as science is trying to unravel whether or not alien planets host life or not.  If we dont seek how shall we find?   For all we know science may be the answer to our prayers.  Call me a fool but faith in science in no way contradicts faith in a God, especially as scientific knowledge might be synonymous of God himself.
Perhaps. However, you might want to at least try to consider the possibility that to our limited intellect, God is truly beyond comprehension.

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 11:53 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 27 July 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Perhaps. However, you might want to at least try to consider the possibility that to our limited intellect, God is truly beyond comprehension.

Yes and it may also be that as intellect evolves so too will our comprehension.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 11:57 PM

View Posttaniwha, on 27 July 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Cannot God have created all our abilities including the ability for man to science?

Whether he did or not is not as important as whether there is anything to indicate whether he did or not.

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Does science motivate towards proving a God or unproving a God anyway?

Not in the slightest.  Science doesn't really care.

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If science really seeks truth then it remains possible that a creator may one day be unravelled, the same as science is trying to unravel whether or not alien planets host life or not.

Science doesn't seek the truth.  Truth is a philosophical construct.  Science seeks facts and probable explanations for observed phenomena.

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If we dont seek how shall we find?   For all we know science may be the answer to our prayers.  Call me a fool but faith in science in no way contradicts faith in a God, especially as scientific knowledge might be synonymous of God himself.

That's just it:  It isn't that they contradict each other; it's that they are mutually incompatible.

The purpose of faith is to generate complete trust or confidence in the occurrence of a contested event or phenomena, usually of supernatural or spiritual origin.  The purpose of science is to generate a credible and valid explanation, based on existing evidence, of an uncontested phenomena.  At the foundational level, the two systems have already diverged in both intent and purpose.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 12:06 AM

View Posttaniwha, on 27 July 2014 - 11:53 PM, said:

Yes and it may also be that as intellect evolves so too will our comprehension.
True. Will have to discuss this again in a few million years.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 02:27 AM

View Postaquatus1, on 27 July 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:



Whether he did or not is not as important as whether there is anything to indicate whether he did or not.

Yes thats what i mean.  There is no indication that science cannot answer the question, is there a God?


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Not in the slightest.  Science doesn't really care.  

Can we unravel God without science?  Unless Its more likely that God will unravel himself when the time is right.

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Science doesn't seek the truth.  Truth is a philosophical construct.  Science seeks facts and probable explanations for observed phenomena.

In that case im not sure how correct it is to say that the universe does in fact exist, it could be a matter of translation, as interpreted by our senses.  Can God even be interpreted as scientific data and is it possible to pray scientifically?  The language of many creation stories are scientific metaphors.  

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That's just it:  It isn't that they contradict each other; it's that they are mutually incompatible.

The purpose of faith is to generate complete trust or confidence in the occurrence of a contested event or phenomena, usually of supernatural or spiritual origin.  The purpose of science is to generate a credible and valid explanation, based on existing evidence, of an uncontested phenomena.  At the foundational level, the two systems have already diverged in both intent and purpose.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 03:22 AM

No, evolution is not a religion.

While evolution is an accepted fact of the scientific and secular community, religion cannot even be agreed on by the religious community. It's like trying to mix oil and water.






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